Cars For Sale (3rd Party Sites) Ebay, Carsales etc..

[NGDCTeam]

 http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Datsun-260Z-1975/SSE-AD-4375908/?Cr=1

 

This is ridiculous.

 

The silver 260z 2 seater is cheaper than this...

 

Market for these cars is out of control

 

What's worse is when others look at those prices and simply decide use the highest car prices as an example to justify their vehicle.  If people were more inclined to get off the car salesman role.

 

Though, that 2+2 looks very straight and clean. Definitely a well kept vehicle.

[EJ101]

my  boss once painted a very interesting picture.

 

you're Mrs wants you to get rid of that shitbox in the garage. A 62 Mini 850 for instance, but you don't want to get rid of it.

What do you do? Place an ad............blah blah blah 62 Mini 850, $100,000 when at best you might get $5000 for it (at the time)

weeks and weeks go by, no interest. Mrs says to drop the price. "Ok dear" Drop the price to $120,000 and on it goes until Mrs is defeated.

 

could this be whats going on with the Z's?

[gav240z]

The S30z has always been a popular car, now 45+ years later not many good ones are left. Yet at the same time you see these cars featured in film, tv programs, video games, and more recently a lot of spot light has been thrown on them through the FuguZ and Magnus Walker along with that whole scene, then you have Speedhunters which has massive reach in the online community for nostalgic cars.

S30Z's are simple fun cars to work on with a timeless design and were in many ways very advanced for that period. Especially when you consider a lot of the engineering and tooling that went into making these cars. Especially at the price point they were able to do it too!

I love my S30z's more today than I did 18 years ago when I got my first 240z.

A lot of cars come and go, and trends along with them, but the S30z is a very special car, it is certainly the exception to find a previous owner who has only negative things to say about them.

When you compare to similar era air-cooled 911s these are often half or 1/4 the price. Of course not many are as well restored either. It is rare to find high quality restored S30Z's.

Demand is high and supply is low. Prices are up and in my opinion will remain that way for a long time.

What car comes close to the S30z in terms of fun, affordable spares still available and return on investment?

I'm still bullish on 240z/260z (s30z) values and expect more growth over the next couple of years.

[specialp3]

I agree with Gav.

 

The days of cheap S30's are long gone.

 

We all wish you that we bought the cars when they were $5-10K, I paid $3600 for mine in 1998 as a one owner car and had to think about it.

 

Not that anyone will agree but I believe 6 figures for properly restored car is not far away.

 

$45K for an original car + $50-70K for a proper restoration and you are nearly there. I know of a number of cars where the restoration costs have been more than $100K.

[gav240z]

Not that anyone will agree but I believe 6 figures for properly restored car is not far away.

 

$45K for an original car + $50-70K for a proper restoration and you are nearly there. I know of a number of cars where the restoration costs have been more than $100K.

 

I agree, I think $100k S30Z's are not far away from the norm.

[macintoshplus]

It just sucks really. I don't want an S30 because they are rare and worth money, I want one for the exact reasons Gav stated above which is that they are simple and fun to work on and the design is timeless. Every time I save up a little more and am ready to go back in the market, the value goes up. At the start of this year, you could get a decent 240z around the 25k mark. Now, we are seeing the exact same cars that sold for that price, are now back on the market for an extra 10k. Its frustrating to see people buying up these cars just to make a profit on them. 

 

There have been a few bargains this year, such as the dark green colored 240z in Victoria that sold for 9,000. I guess I'll just have to wait and hope that another pops up and snatch it up. 

[gav240z]

In my opinion don't wait for a car to come to market. Track known cars down ask around see if anyone is considering selling and try and beat the car to market.

 

Make an offer on the car and see if you can do a deal before it becomes public. That's the best way to secure a car. Waiting for it to pop up on a website is already too late.

 

Either that or consider importing LHD.

[macintoshplus]

I have had a couple of people offer me privately on this forum, but they are still after market prices, however they were original ones and had little work needed. I am after more of a project as to keep costs down. I can do a lot of the work myself. 

 

Thanks for the advice, I will keep a good watch on this forum and see what I can find.

[CBR Jeff]

Don't laugh I am serious....Look at a 180B SSS they are still very good value for money. They might not have all the appeal of a 240/260 but are still a Datsun, lots of parts available. I think they can me made to look very nice. a bit of a C110 feel.

I recently saw a very straight clean example with rego, sold for just under $8K with in the last month.

Its a bit like the housing market you need to get into it then progress working your way through.

 

Jeff

[mossy]

I agree, I think $100k S30Z's are not far away from the norm.

 

I might sell mine for $100k   If I had another to rebuild 

[CBR Jeff]

Here ya go.

 

[macintoshplus]

Here ya go.

180B.jpg

Yeah it does look pretty nice, very similar to the c110 coupe. Ill keep a lookout. Although they don't have an L6..

[CBR Jeff]

Yeah it does look pretty nice, very similar to the c110 coupe. Ill keep a lookout. Although they don't have an L6..

No but you could build a very strong grunter (L24b) motor for one. You can still get Z24 cranks new from Nissan. And they only have 4 cylinders so less cost to build.

Mark my words they will climb in price just as the 240K aka C110 skyline has.

 

Jeff

[cracker]

It just sucks really. I don't want an S30 because they are rare and worth money, I want one for the exact reasons Gav stated above which is that they are simple and fun to work on and the design is timeless. Every time I save up a little more and am ready to go back in the market, the value goes up. At the start of this year, you could get a decent 240z around the 25k mark. Now, we are seeing the exact same cars that sold for that price, are now back on the market for an extra 10k. Its frustrating to see people buying up these cars just to make a profit on them. 

 

There have been a few bargains this year, such as the dark green colored 240z in Victoria that sold for 9,000. I guess I'll just have to wait and hope that another pops up and snatch it up. 

 

The 180b SSS suggestion is not a bad one at all - if the market is outpacing you as you say you have a few options - wait for a cheap one to pop up on gumtree, hope that you see it within about 30mins, and hope that you are close enough to go and pick it up that day... OR get into the market with something that is also likely or already is appreciating in value... OR borrow money.

 

If I took out a loan for the zed I bought 4/5 years ago and made repayments on that the whole time, I'd still be well ahead.

 

There is an element of risk associated with borrowing money, but it's also how the rich get richer. "Why invest with your own money when you can invest with someone else's for less" - can't recall who.

 

Good luck - sometimes that's all that's needed!

[600Z]

There a great car the 180b SSS, I had one for quite a few years, I ended up running a 219 head, twin 48 dellortos, forged VW Pistons etc. Went very well with close on 200hp back then though they are a fairly heavy car.

[gav240z]

I recently helped someone in California locate a 180B SSS for import. They are not easy to find...

[NGDCTeam]

I might sell mine for $100k   If I had another to rebuild 

 

Would buy it! Then will sell it for $120 k in 3 months. "Immaculate! fully restored, survivor condition. No rust at all!  These cars will continue to rise in value, so send me your easy money."   haha

 

Gav is right though, talking to some people away from sales sites may get you a better price, too many business sharks around these days.

[gav240z]

I might sell mine for $100k   If I had another to rebuild 

 

About 12 to 24 months ago. The high end of 240z values quoted by Hagerty (and their values are not always reflective of what's going on in the S30Z market), were around $35,000 USD for a top car.

 

https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1970-Datsun-240Z

 

Now look at the price difference...$60-$65k USD is being quoted.

 

Keep in mind North American market cars are generally the cheapest going, also the S30Z market is bigger than just the "Datsun 240z" you have to remember the Nissan PS30, PS30-SB, HS30-H, S30 (Z-S and Z-L) models also. In Japan many cars are selling well above the Hagerty price point already. I find it kind of odd that they don't list the other Nissan models also. Actually If I'm going to nit pick, it's odd they don't list any early rotary coupe's either (apart from the RX-7)... but that's American Auction Houses for you!

 

Bottom line, buy 1 now.

[NGDCTeam]

Rarely i see "Excellent" ones for sale here even, would be nice to see the more good end models for that suggested price of around 18k. Would be quite sour if these investments get ruined on the road, finding another replacement... goodluck!

[Agno]

Don't laugh I am serious....Look at a 180B SSS they are still very good value for money. They might not have all the appeal of a 240/260 but are still a Datsun, lots of parts available. I think they can me made to look very nice. a bit of a C110 feel.

I recently saw a very straight clean example with rego, sold for just under $8K with in the last month.

Its a bit like the housing market you need to get into it then progress working your way through.

 

Jeff

 

If I was looking for a Datsun but couldn't afford a 240/260Z I would definitely be looking at a 180B SSS or a 1600. Both are fabulous vehicles

[gav240z]

Rarely i see "Excellent" ones for sale here even, would be nice to see the more good end models for that suggested price of around 18k. Would be quite sour if these investments get ruined on the road, finding another replacement... goodluck!

 

Yes, as I mentioned above properly restored S30Z's are extremely rare and the owners who have invested in doing it right tend to hang onto them. SpecialP3 is a good example, that car is restored to a very high level and has been in the same hands for many years.

 

$18k USD might buy you a relatively tidy 240z in the US (although I think that's less and less likely from what I'm seeing it's now $25k+). But keep in mind we have a much smaller percentage of cars in Australia and RHD vehicles are much much rarer now.

 

I'll still drive mine, no matter the value!

[blu260z]

What about a 2+2 same heart and sole just not quite the same as the 2 seaters. For 18k you could get a very nice 2+2 in original or restored condition. Only thing to watch is because the 2+2 have never held the same value as the 2 seaters alot have been messed around with and are generally bog and flog. Only recently are people starting to appreciate the 2+2s so some really good restored or semi restored examples are showing up. I love my 2+2, yes a 2 seater would be nice but I still smile when I open up my shed and aslong as that keeps happening I am happy ☺

[blu260z]

This car was for sale 1 week ago on gumtree for $1200. Now its returned with a new set of hubcaps for $3200.

Still doesnt run and is full of rust, it has also had a crash on the drivers front qtr

 

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/epping/cars-vans-utes/datsun-260z-2-2/1130096558

[Mark B]

This car was for sale 1 week ago on gumtree for $1200. Now its returned with a new set of hubcaps for $3200.

Still doesnt run and is full of rust, it has also had a crash on the drivers front qtr

 

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/epping/cars-vans-utes/datsun-260z-2-2/1130096558

 

Hey, hubcaps aren't cheap you know !!!   LOL                 Mark B

[gav240z]

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/doncaster-east/cars-vans-utes/260z-240z-datsun-nissan-project/1130010688

 

$4,500.00

Location: Doncaster.

 

 

Datsun 1975 2+2 engine doesn't run interior is ok for age great project selling cheap as have too many cars these are hard to find now and range from 15 and up for clean ones