daretobedifferent Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 The japanese used car market has been interesting as of late. I see a lot of sellers with an asking price of $X, but I haven't seen many actually selling for $X anyway. Has this been the case over the past 2 years or have we actually seen sales of cars for $X? I think prices are dropping for most assets because sellers are just being realistic now and adjusting their expectations as a result. gav240z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndBir Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 24 minutes ago, daretobedifferent said: but I haven't seen many actually selling for $X anyway Auction prices are the only real indicator as the sold price is usually discounted from the advertised price but you never "see" this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HS30-H Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 13 hours ago, daretobedifferent said: The japanese used car market has been interesting as of late. So has the used Japanese car market. gilltech, Enzo, daretobedifferent and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 The upcoming Shannons auction will be revealing - there are some nice cars up for grabs that might give an overall vibe of the strength of the market. My 2c - Some of the zeds that have dropped in price are not particularly nice examples from a value standpoint - non-original motors, heaps of non factory mods and hard to find parts missing or race prepped or similar (ie not where the value lies). It's very easy for an owner of a zed who has no appreciation of why cars are worth XXX to expect theirs to be worth the same and attempt a cash grab that was never realistic. Wags, gav240z, OdinZ and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndBir Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/14/2022 at 10:39 AM, road rider said: Hmmmm, has the market cooled off? For Classic Zeds priced around the proposed price of the "All-New Nissan Z" it may be challenging given the new Z will likely be seen as the final (ICE) model and therefore a "collectable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wags Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, AndBir said: For Classic Zeds priced around the proposed price of the "All-New Nissan Z" it may be challenging given the new Z will likely be seen as the final (ICE) model and therefore a "collectable". You might well be right but I’m thinking that New ICE cars are generally not collectible unless they are truly something rare and special like an exotic invite to purchase car. I mean, if they didn’t make the new 400z and the 370z was the final ICE model would it be the collectible outstripping 240z values? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, AndBir said: For Classic Zeds priced around the proposed price of the "All-New Nissan Z" it may be challenging given the new Z will likely be seen as the final (ICE) model and therefore a "collectable". I would think of it like this: Will somebody who currently wants a 1970s sports car with timeless design, simple and effective mechanics, big noises (including some rattles), no creature comforts and something that turns heads and stirs up nostalgia - also be considering the new Nissan Z? My bet is no. gav240z, Wags, 240ZBUILTBYME and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240ZBUILTBYME Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, cracker said: My bet is no. I tend to agree. Two different markets. one market is chasing a hobby/project, nostalgia, novelty and a form of time travel in a classic z. the other market is after mod cons, outright performance, a warranty and a somewhat analog but modern sports car experience. Something a classic z does not provide. The percentage of buyers who will buy a Nissan z and either lock it away or put limited kms on to maintain “collectibility” will be minute. Most will daily them or keep as the fun weekend car to be driven. ptZcar, cracker, JDM-TOY and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wags Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Perhaps in 50 years the 400z will see relative values to the 240z…but for now, with EVs well and truly in the mainstream, it will be a playstation4 in a playstation5 world….and no one talks about the last of the playstation4’s. but most importantly, what we are forgetting, is how impactful the 400z will be. Will it storm onto the market and blow everything away like the 240z did or will it be another sports car that does more of the same…that will be the difference as to its value in a few decades time. Edited May 18, 2022 by Wags Spelling JDM-TOY and gav240z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted May 18, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted May 18, 2022 I must say the new Z has appeal in a market with limited options. But it will never be as legendary as the original. I recall people "trading up" from 240z's to buy 350z's in the early 2000s. How did that work out? Balinski, Wags, 240ZBUILTBYME and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240ZBUILTBYME Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Wags said: Will it storm onto the market and blow everything away like the 240z did or will it be another sports car that does more of the same No it will never be as impactful as the 240z. But don’t forget that the 240z didn’t gain universal legend status until what? 10-15 years ago? For the longest time they were cheap and expendable. Yes there were always enthusiasts and a strong community who knew that it was a legend, but I think it’s taken time to become recognized. the 240z is the first legend, the Nissan z may be the last legend. ICE Z legend anyway. from all the reviews I have watched so far it is preferred over the bmw Supra, which is saying something. And there isn’t much competition in the affordable 2 seater rwd sports car category… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM-TOY Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, 240ZBUILTBYME said: For the longest time they were cheap and expendable. If history repeats itself and the Z receives the "Legendary Status" in another 20 to 30 years we all should start planning our acquisition strategy (if you already haven't). Just as long as the prices dont go crazy like the VF GTS/W1 or the SS Red Line after a year of sales, or will they........... Edited May 18, 2022 by JDM-TOY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wags Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 The Holden craze was fueled by FOMO and greed. Market correction for new holdens is on its way if not already here. A lot of people are going to either lose big (except for the W cars which are as rare as rocking horse sh!t) or have to hold onto the cars for a long time to get what they paid for them back. JDM-TOY and gav240z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM-TOY Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Wags said: The Holden craze was fueled by FOMO and greed. Market correction for new holdens is on its way if not already here. A lot of people are going to either lose big (except for the W cars which are as rare as rocking horse sh!t) or have to hold onto the cars for a long time to get what they paid for them back. Can you please not yell at me Wags and OdinZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndBir Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 280zx for auction : https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=32522&lid=3578132&pgn=2&pgs=100 https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=32522&lid=3584751&pgn=2&pgs=100 road rider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
road rider Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/21/2022 at 12:57 PM, AndBir said: 280zx for auction : https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=32522&lid=3578132&pgn=2&pgs=100 https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=32522&lid=3584751&pgn=2&pgs=100 Interesting to see what they bring at auction. The first one is a series 2 and looks like a nice original car. The second is a series 1 and looks to have been resprayed at some point in its life. I like the first one better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OdinZ Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 On 5/16/2022 at 12:13 PM, cracker said: The upcoming Shannons auction will be revealing - there are some nice cars up for grabs that might give an overall vibe of the strength of the market. My 2c - Some of the zeds that have dropped in price are not particularly nice examples from a value standpoint - non-original motors, heaps of non factory mods and hard to find parts missing or race prepped or similar (ie not where the value lies). It's very easy for an owner of a zed who has no appreciation of why cars are worth XXX to expect theirs to be worth the same and attempt a cash grab that was never realistic. This 2+2 sold $34.5K + fees https://www.shannons.com.au/auctions/2022-shannons-autumn-timed-online-auction/O4CMDCJQLE16FN82/ cracker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndBir Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 One for the brave : https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/magill/cars-vans-utes/1973-datsun-240z-sports-manual-coupe/1295669468 Magill, Sth Aust. Let me know your offer and I'll do my best to part with it. Vg30det engine Z32tt gearbox R32 r180 or r200 diff, can't remember which Z32tt front brakes R32 rear breaks Needs a lot of work Suit full rebuild Lots of miscellaneous interior parts including alloy half cage. Have a fibreglass bonnet for it Replacement good passenger door Probably other stuff that I can't remember Let me know your offer and I'll do my best to part with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM-TOY Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 12:01 PM, AndBir said: One for the brave : Do you think they would take Medicare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
road rider Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I don't think I've ever seen a Z32 conversion done on a 240Z before. Never say never I guess. What was that, did someone say rust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndBir Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 This one needs to be saved from its "Cocoon of Doom" https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1973-datsun-240z-manual/SSE-AD-12240726/?Cr=4 gav240z and OdinZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted May 27, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted May 27, 2022 21 hours ago, road rider said: I don't think I've ever seen a Z32 conversion done on a 240Z before. Never say never I guess. What was that, did someone say rust! I think that's a Z31 engine. *Edit I'm not sure actually it may have come out of a sedan, since that intake plenum I don't recognise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
road rider Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, gav240z said: I think that's a Z31 engine. *Edit I'm not sure actually it may have come out of a sedan, since that intake plenum I don't recognise. I wasn't sure about the engine either Gav. Even so, I don't think I've seen a Z31 engine in a 240Z before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted May 27, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think it's a Y31 CIMA VG30. https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/216798-y31-cima/?do=findComment&comment=4021298 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
road rider Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 5/21/2022 at 12:57 PM, AndBir said: 280zx for auction : https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=32522&lid=3578132&pgn=2&pgs=100 https://www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=32522&lid=3584751&pgn=2&pgs=100 Anyone know what these two went for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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