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[gav240z]

Disclaimer: I've not seen the car in person myself.

 

However if it's as good as it represents as then I don't have a problem with the price. The data we have been digging out around numbers of these cars left in Australia, the devaluation of the AUD relative to USD, GBP and Euro, JPY etc.. means that our cars have historically been underpriced in a global context (my opinion here).

 

RHD examples are far more rare than LHD and even if you import a US model S30z you still have to pay shipping, import duties, etc.. Then there is the option to convert to RHD (you don't have to, but it seems many are not into the idea of a LHD car over here).

 

Most 240z's were well loved and used, but not really cherished by their owners so many of them have had bad repairs over the years and were used up in racing etc.. They were also ignored for many years by the Aussie muscle car loving fraternity. In the past 10 years their popularity has increased and this in turn is driving prices up (in part also with a demographic shift). Limited supply means even rust buckets are fetching good prices now.

 

When you factor in options for similar cars of similar vintage and performance the S30z still represents good value. Original examples (non restored) with genuine patina don't come up often, it's a once in a blue moon event.

 

With regard to the yellow car, you've seen how it looks after dipping. That is 1 of the cleanest shells out there. It's always best to start with the best car possible. A car like the white 1 here will save someone a lot of aggravation in restoration time, money and skill. In 10 years time it will be viewed as a good investment (in my opinion). 

[theremm]

Judging on photos only, I still reckon $15k overpriced ...

[Classicman]

I'm somewhere between Gav240z and theremm on this one in terms of price.  I agree with your sentiment though Gav.  I think if I hadn't just sunk so much into my car, I would definitely be interested in this one as well.

[andyk_79]

If it's genuinely rust free and completely original then yeah I think it might be worth it. I find it hard to believe that any unrestored example is going to be totally rust free though, unless it's been garaged in the desert its whole life

[dat240z]

I'd have put the price at high 30s - low 40s

[blu260z]

If anybody has looked closer at this picture it definitely shows cracked paint and scratches all over the rear hatch and quarters. For $50k I would be expecting something in alot better condition..

[CroS13]

The cars that are selling for 50-60k, like Adams, and that purple one, are fully restored cars, and being resto-mod at that. They don't need a single dollar put into them as they are done, hence commanding the high prices. Which is fair, because you cant build them for that much.

This thing needs a full restoration, so take your 50k, add another 50k to get it to the build quality of above mentioned cars.

 

I think its abit rich for a original, sure, no rust, but that doesn't make it worth 50, honestly i would say 30-35k would be fair.

[daretobedifferent]

I agree, it is way too overpriced. Buyers are better off purchasing a cheaper 240z that need a restoration (up to 15 - 20k) and then dumping a further 20-30k into it.

 

The rear hatch paint and glass looks terrible and the interior looks good but it isn't great.

Edited December 17, 2015 by daretobedifferent

[1600dave]

I know nothing about these ones, just saw it on facebook and thought someone may be interested

 

If anyone buys them, I'll gladly take the wheels off the one in the background as a "spotter's fee" 

Edited December 17, 2015 by 1600dave

[gav240z]

Since we discussed unrestored vs restored examples might want to watch this auction.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/13116-the-global-z-car-s30s130-market-thread/?p=170328

 

Interesting that people want to buy a car for $30K + spend $15K restoring it. However those who think that's possible have probably never done it. Try restoring a car for $15K and see how far it goes? It doesn't go far... Trust me.

 

In the collector car market, some unrestored examples fetch more money than restored, and you may be wondering why?

 

Well I think it has to do with the fact that when you do rust repairs it often involves unpicking sections of a car and remove factory spot welds / joins etc.. This is part of the cars history and is difficult to replicate with similar equipment used at a factory. As someone who has now had a little experience with rust repairs and restoration I could probably look at an S30z and be able tell you if a section has been unpicked before.

 

Then there is other details like interior trim etc.. Which even if you get very good reproductions can still vary from original to some extent. On the other hand sometimes a bit of patina and wear and tear adds to the charm of a vintage vehicle, it shows it's been used, loved and has genuine battle scars that come with having been around the ol' block a bit of history etc.. Like an old pair of comfortable jeans or an old leather jacket. Some of the charm comes from the aging process etc..

 

There is an old saying, it's only original once and whilst some of you may not be into that, there is definitely a car collector market out there that are strong advocates of such examples, often unrestored is much more rare than restored. Which is yet another reason why their values can be higher.

 

All this is just some food for thought and not to say that the example at Zshop is worth $50K - like I say I haven't seen it yet, but I'm just offering up a different view/perspective. During the restoration process sometimes a bit of the charm can be lost. When everything looks brand new again.

 

Rumor has it the owner of the white/blue US model I linked to above wants $30K USD for it, we shall see what happens at auction. But that is $42K AUD at today's rate.

[1600dave]

100% agree with a lot of your sentiments. A year or two back, I sold one of mt father's vintage bikes (a 1956 BMW R26) which was completely original, right down to a period accessory pillion seat and other owner "modifications". It had full history from the day it was sold - was bought new by a dutchman (in Holland), brought out to Australia for a touring holiday a few years later, and was then sold rather than taken back to Holland. It had been dropped by the original owner, so had a dent in the tank and paint missing off the front guard. Most (if not all) of the paint was factory original, as was the pinstriping on the guards and tank. Also came with the original dutch rego plates and rego document.

 

It always drew attention, even though it looked a bit tatty amongst all the rest of the freshly painted, restored examples.

 

I have seen pictures of it since I sold it, and despite having had a very nice restoration job done, I wonder if it would have been better staying as a "survivor" rather than just another restored bike ?

[gav240z]

I have seen pictures of it since I sold it, and despite having had a very nice restoration job done, I wonder if it would have been better staying as a "survivor" rather than just another restored bike ?

 

Yeah that's what I was trying to articulate relatively badly I think. There is a certain "je ne sais quoi" about an unrestored example. Just my opinion. Oh and said about 10x better than I in this article.

 

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/preservation-v-restoration-20140812-101ya6.html

 

 

Boribon from Shannons recalls that “in 2011 we sold an A9X Torana that had been under a cover for 15 years."

“It was mostly original, with only some typical 80s cosmetic additions and ordinarily would have been given a full restoration but we decided to leave it as a barn find,” he says.

“Its selling price of $149,000 was close to the expected value of a restored example.”

 

And you thought 240z's were expensive....

[gav240z]

Well that white 73 240z looks like it sold, going overseas also. (Germany)

https://www.facebook.com/Z-shop-Melbourne-708176415926972/

 

HS30 103744

L24 189646

 

It was sold new on the 12/10/73 and according to this thread it's 1 of the last 240z's sold in Australia before the introduction of the 260z.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/13437-chassis-number-bingo/

[GongZ]

 

Well that white 73 240z looks like it sold, going overseas also. (Germany)

https://www.facebook.com/Z-shop-Melbourne-708176415926972/

 

HS30 103744

L24 189646

 

It was sold new on the 12/10/73 and according to this thread it's 1 of the last 240z's sold in Australia before the introduction of the 260z.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/13437-chassis-number-bingo/

 

 

I notice that the car was sold by Col Crawford's Brookvale (NSW) dealership to an owner in Beecroft (NSW) - but with Victorian number plates GOB.846 - what the???

 

[1600dave]

What makes you say that the rego is Victorian ?

[GongZ]

 

What makes you say that the rego is Victorian ?

 

This -  

 

and this -

[1600dave]

Fair enough 

[74zzz]

a9x is a totally different kettle of fish gav and they have been over 100 grand for a good one for at least 10 years...... im not surprised it got that price if in original condition:) 50 grand is nothing to anyone paying in euro or pounds particularly for a car that is as rare as it is in that part of the world...... with a world market there is no real ceiling for these things i dont think......for rhd ones that is. you never know this example may only need the tail bare metaled and a rub back not a 20 grand resto. there is a huge market for barn find/patina cars 

[Gurbachen]

 

Datsun 260z 2+2 Sports (1976) 2D Coupe Manual (2.6L - Twin Carb) Seats

eBay item number 20140688175

ends Tuesday 15 December at 7:21am

Car located in Melbourne

 

"Selling Datsun/nissan 260z. 2+2

Very rare car

The running gear is fairly new and the engine is rebuild with receipts for over $5500

I have not cleaned car to sell

Car is as is 

Needs carby rebuilt to run

 

Advertised elsewhere for sale so can be removed at anytime

 

Cod on pick up

Can assist interstate if required"

 

 

 

I bought this one! Anyone know the paint code off the top of your head? I've gotten a lot of conflicting results from searches. It's at B&M Fuel Systems at the moment and I didn't think to look for a paint code on the firewall (or radiator mount too, yes?) before I left it there. They already had it running today, only dropped it off on Friday. Good stuff.

[chris240]

Do we know how much the white/red 240z sold for Gav ?

Edited December 23, 2015 by chris240

[GongZ]

...Anyone know the paint code off the top of your head? I've gotten a lot of conflicting results from searches. It's at B&M Fuel Systems at the moment and I didn't think to look for a paint code on the firewall (or radiator mount too, yes?) before I left it there...

 

 

Congratulations on buying the car!

 

It's always a bit tricky to tell from a photograph, but it appears to be green, which means the factory 260Z colours were;

 

302 Green Leaf Metallic - http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/302LeafGreen.jpg

240 Green Metallic - http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/240GreenMetallic.jpg

303 Green Metallic - http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/303green.jpg

 

It doesn't really look like any of these. Were you told that it was a factory colour?

[gav240z]

Do we know how much the white/red 240z sold for Gav ?

 

No, but I can ask Lindsay Drife, he may or may not be willing to divulge the info.

[gav240z]

It doesn't really look like any of these. Were you told that it was a factory colour?

 

I am pretty sure it's a factory colour for 2+2's I've seen a couple in that shade, although it's a very rare hue.

 

I have been watching this 2/2 (GS30) in Japan recently. Because it has Kobe Seiko wheels on it (or did). I think they were removed and sold separate, but initially the car was advertised with them and the seller didn't want to remove them.

 

http://page24.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q97120201

 

Yahoo! / Google Translate.

 

Maker name Nissan Model name Fairlady ZGS30

Grade name GS30: 2 × 2 Displacement 1,900 cc

Model year September 1974 Imported car model year -

Mileage 42,300 km State of mileage Actual running

Color system Gold, tea-based The name of the color Metallic system

 

There was another 2+2 on eBay not long ago in the same colour and I used to see a similar coloured 2+2 driven by an old man, who used to go to the Caulfield Bowling club years ago. Had his Golden Retriever in the passenger seat and the car was totally original looking. So I don't think it was repainted but I'm happy to be corrected.

 

*Edit some more links showing similar colours, hard to tell if like Safari Gold the lighting makes it appear different.

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/datsun/260z/datsun-260z-coupe-2-seat-lhd-1974/4381635

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/1924-cars-for-sale-3rd-party-sites-ebay-carsales-etc/?p=158027

http://www.shannons.com.au/club/enthusiasts/trextreks/garage/1976-datsun-260z-22-sports/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/423831014904562343/

 

I wonder if it's 214 Dark Brown (Cocoa Brown?)

http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/

[Gurbachen]

Congratulations on buying the car!

 

It's always a bit tricky to tell from a photograph, but it appears to be green, which means the factory 260Z colours were;

 

302 Green Leaf Metallic - http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/302LeafGreen.jpg

240 Green Metallic - http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/240GreenMetallic.jpg

303 Green Metallic - http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/303green.jpg

 

It doesn't really look like any of these. Were you told that it was a factory colour?

 

Thanks man, got it for a good price (imo), owner offered it for reserve price because I was the first to show up to inspect, when he cancelled the auction the next day after I inspected it on a hoist for the sake of diligence, it was already higher than what I got it for, with two days left to go. No idea if it's factory or not, I forgot to check for the label in the engine bay. It's not green, it's a dark grey, but it's a bit hard to tell from the photos because it's so dusty. One site had it as 503, but on another site that was a really light grey. On another site it was...530 I think, but again another site discredited that. It looks like 258 Pewter Metallic on another, but that's silver on other sites. Unfortunately B&M Fuel Systems closes today for Christmas so I won't get a chance to look for the label.

 

 

I am pretty sure it's a factory colour for 2+2's I've seen a couple in that shade, although it's a very rare hue.

 

I have been watching this 2/2 (GS30) in Japan recently. Because it has Kobe Seiko wheels on it (or did). I think they were removed and sold separate, but initially the car was advertised with them and the seller didn't want to remove them.

 

http://page24.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/q97120201

 

Yahoo! / Google Translate.

 

Maker name Nissan Model name Fairlady ZGS30

Grade name GS30: 2 × 2 Displacement 1,900 cc

Model year September 1974 Imported car model year -

Mileage 42,300 km State of mileage Actual running

Color system Gold, tea-based The name of the color Metallic system

 

There was another 2+2 on eBay not long ago in the same colour and I used to see a similar coloured 2+2 driven by an old man, who used to go to the Caulfield Bowling club years ago. Had his Golden Retriever in the passenger seat and the car was totally original looking. So I don't think it was repainted but I'm happy to be corrected.

 

*Edit some more links showing similar colours, hard to tell if like Safari Gold the lighting makes it appear different.

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/datsun/260z/datsun-260z-coupe-2-seat-lhd-1974/4381635

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/1924-cars-for-sale-3rd-party-sites-ebay-carsales-etc/?p=158027

http://www.shannons.com.au/club/enthusiasts/trextreks/garage/1976-datsun-260z-22-sports/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/423831014904562343/

 

I wonder if it's 214 Dark Brown (Cocoa Brown?)

http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/

 

 

I don't think it's got any brown to it, definitely a dark grey I think. I'll have to wait a couple weeks for B&M to open again so I can check for a sticker/plate thing. Not sure if I'll be doing a full respray, I kinda dig the rough look, have to see how rust repair goes I guess.

 

I've found a couple pictures of other Z cars with the same or similar colour, but no information attached to them. It's hard to compare when these cars are super glossy and mine is super dusty haha.

 

[GongZ]

...I don't think it's got any brown to it, definitely a dark grey I think. I'll have to wait a couple weeks for B&M to open again so I can check for a sticker/plate thing. Not sure if I'll be doing a full respray, I kinda dig the rough look, have to see how rust repair goes I guess.

 

I've found a couple pictures of other Z cars with the same or similar colour, but no information attached to them. It's hard to compare when these cars are super glossy and mine is super dusty haha.

 

It might be a very rare factory colour as Gavin has suggested. The eBay listing for this 1971 240Z says -

"Exterior Color:      Gray"

 

"The vehicle was repainted in the 1983, but remained original color."

 

I sent the seller a message regarding the colour, as it is not shown in Carl Beck's lists

(http://www.zhome.com/History/ZColorGallary/ and http://zhome.com/History/colors.html)

but he/she did not reply.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Datsun-Z-Series-240z-/291634722606?forcerrptr=true&hash=item43e6c8b72e%3Ag%3Alt4AAOSwHQ9WZx9j&item=291634722606&nma=true&si=xr9RSWraV3qLKn6mPK0gpgqpNJg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557