Why you shouldn't buy anything from Edward "Scissorhands" Lee

[chris240]

Reminds me of Sulios old zed...

[gav240z]

Another positive article on Mr Lee's today.

 

*Edit found the link.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/was-this-car-purchase-a-rip-off-or-a-wind-up/story-fnlrw4is-1227462226858

 

 

Rip-off or a wind-up?

Japanese Certificate to hold the key in imported car odometer tampering case.

 

A parramatta road used car dealership has been accused of misleading or deceptive conduct over an alleged odometer wind-back of nearly 100,000 km.

 

Tristan Hart claims the imported 1998 model Nissan Stagea RS260 he bought from Edward Lee's Jaapanese Auto Center at Concord with an odometer reading of 62,000 km had actually travelled 155,000 km.

 

Mr Hard paid $20,500 for the car. But he says he sought a second opinion that the estimated true  worth is only about $9000.

 

In the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal in Sydney yesterday he applied for compensation for the difference, as well as the cost of replacing the tyres that he said were not roadworthy.

 

Mr Hard told NCAT that the dealership had engaged in misleading or deceptive conduct by selling him a car for significantly more than it was worth.

 

He said his main evidence was the registration certificate issued by Japan's Ministry of Land Infrastructure, transport and tourism showing the Stagea had been driven 154,900km before being shipped to Australia.

 

Edward Lee's dealer Phil Lee told the tribunal he was likely to challenge the veracity of the document by flying to Jpaan to get it checked.

 

"Nobody knows really how authentic it is" Mr Lee said "It could be a forgery or a fake. I want to take it to Japan and get an expert to give me an opinion on it."

 

He asked NCAT sneior member Mark Cohen for a month to be able to do that. He was granted a week.

 

Mr Lee said the document was not enough to "hang a legal case on". Mr Cohen said it was "more than enough".

 

Because the registration certificate had not been serve  on the respondent, the matter was adjourned. Mr Cohen gave direction that within seven days Mr Hard provide Mr Lee with the certificate as well as a translation and any other evidence nhe planned to rely on.

 

Mr Lee would then have seven days to file a written challenge.

 

Mr Cohen said that if the document translates "in the way I suspect, I'm not sure you'd be able to oppose the application".

 

Allegations of odometer tampering are a significant problem throughout NSW.

 

I'll be following the developments in this case.

[gav240z]

If anyone can find Tristan Hart on Facebook or Twitter or whatever please feel free to send him a link to this thread. I'm sure the examples in this thread would be useful for the next court hearing...

 

If you can show this isn't an isolated case I'm sure the judge will make sure he brings the law down on him properly. I look forward to walking past Edward Lee's dealership when it's closed.

[PB260Z]

If anyone can find Tristan Hart on Facebook or Twitter or whatever please feel free to send him a link to this thread. I'm sure the examples in this thread would be useful for the next court hearing...

 

If you can show this isn't an isolated case I'm sure the judge will make sure he brings the law down on him properly. I look forward to walking past Edward Lee's dealership when it's closed.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to close. More likely the staff and managers involved will take the fall.

There was another high profile case in Sydney, proven guilty, and the place is still trading.

He did lose his new vehicle franchise though.

 

 

 

[GongZ]

I have just sent a facebook message to John Rolfe (Public Defender) asking him to pass the URL of this topic to Tristan Hart.

 

I also did a search and found that Edward Lee's Japanese Auto Centre P/L is a current member of the MTA (Motor Traders' Association of New South Wales).

Here are a couple of small excerpts from the MTA's code of ethics;

 

"MTA members will:

- act honestly and fairly in all dealings with the public and conduct business with strict professional courtesy and integrity

...

- not knowingly mislead a consumer in relation to the condition of a vehicle or be a party to improper practice in relation to the sale or purchase of a vehicle

..."

 

I doesn't give me much confidence in MTA membership, which I have previously regarded as a good sign. Good luck Mr Hart.

[CroS13]

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to close. More likely the staff and managers involved will take the fall.

There was another high profile case in Sydney, proven guilty, and the place is still trading.

He did lose his new vehicle franchise though.

 

yessss.... actually they were right across the road from edward lees, xtreem motorsport?

 

My apprentice bought a EP3 civic from them, i went with him there, he knew the owner, we all actually spoke at length about dodgy dealers and winding back odometers with the owner mentioning edward lees.

 

Guess what, they got done for the same thing, closed business, opened again trading under team wyld speed or something in wetherill park.

 

this "new" shop does things on a smaller scale, imports privatly i think, sells a few off on the side, its more of a parts importing place now

 

but same story, they close one down, they open up again.

[PB260Z]

yessss.... actually they were right across the road from edward lees, xtreem motorsport ?

 

No not actually those guys. This individual is in the Northern suburbs and has even been on ACA.

 

I doesn't give me much confidence in MTA membership, which I have previously regarded as a good sign. Good luck Mr Hart.

 

And Yes I am pretty sure he is still in the MTA, guessing he has kept paying his membership fees 

[Retro Z]

No not actually those guys. This individual is in the Northern suburbs and has even been on ACA.

 

Are you talking about 'Sports auto group'?

[Agno]

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/was-this-car-purchase-a-rip-off-or-a-wind-up/story-fnlrw4is-1227462226858

[Riceburner]

Flying to Japan to get the document checked...... Bahahaha!

[gav240z]

More good threads on Lee's.

 

http://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/458598-Edward-Lees-In-Court-Over-260rs-Wind-Back

 

An 'R' grade R32 which had a 20,000 km hair cut.

http://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/437339-beware-r33-gtr-for-sale-in-sydney-part-2/

and more here:

http://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/413303-beware-r34-gtr-for-sale-in-sydney/page-3

 

Sad thing is this could all be stopped easily...

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2246786

[gav240z]

https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/EDWARD-LEES-JAPANESE-AUTO-CENTRE-PTY-LTD-101097714/c84a9ad0-9437-48b1-970a-709c523807c3

[KatoKid]

Every dog has its day...

[dat2kman]

The Pheonx bird.

A mythical creature, that gets burnt in the flames, to ashes,

And rises up, yet once again, to begin a new life.

 

Very common practice, the good old Pheonix scheme,,,,,

[240Z_au]

You think it will re-start with same first two words?... 

[GongZ]

Has anybody here been invited to the launch party for PHIL LEE'S JAPANESE AUTO CENTRE PTY LTD yet?

Willing to share petrol costs.

 

I am also looking for some Watanabe centre caps to fit some recently imported Konig Rewinds.   

[CroS13]

saw this today and got erect....

I do think like others have said, he will just re open under a different name, either he or someone he knows will be director

[gav240z]

I think he's already done it, now called Edward Lee's Imports not Edward Lee's Japanese Auto Center.

[PB260Z]

The Pheonx bird.

A mythical creature, that gets burnt in the flames, to ashes,

And rises up, yet once again, to begin a new life.

Very common practice, the good old Pheonix scheme,,,,,

Whilst leaving the creditors out in the cold. :-(

[gav240z]

Check out the ACN listed here:
https://creditorwatch.com.au/credit/profile/98602862199/EDWARD-LEES-IMPORTS-PTY-LTD
http://abncheck.com.au/abn/98602862199
 
Compared with the number on the liquidation notice.

Old Company 
Company: EDWARD LEE'S JAPANESE AUTO CENTRE PTY LTD
ACN: 101 097 714

New Company
Main Name: EDWARD LEES IMPORTS PTY LTD
ABN: 98 602 862 199
ACN: 602 862 199

 

Refer back to this video: http://short.ninem.sn/2pVycID same people different company owner, no doubt Phil is still calling the shots.

[PB260Z]

Check out the ACN listed here:https://creditorwatch.com.au/credit/profile/98602862199/EDWARD-LEES-IMPORTS-PTY-LTDhttp://abncheck.com.au/abn/98602862199

 

Compared with the number on the liquidation notice.Old Company 

Company: EDWARD LEE'S JAPANESE AUTO CENTRE PTY LTD

ACN: 101 097 714New Company

Main Name: EDWARD LEES IMPORTS PTY LTD

ABN: 98 602 862 199

ACN: 602 862 199

 

Refer back to this video: http://short.ninem.sn/2pVycID same people different company owner, no doubt Phil is still calling the shots.

I bet it will be

 

Same location

Same phone number

Same staff

Same stock

Same business practices

 

This crap happens all to often.

[PB260Z]

From the Edward Lees Imports webiste

 

"Established in 1966" not even pretending to be a different crew.

[gav240z]

This guy makes Phil look honest .

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/ftw/About_us/News_and_events/Media_releases/2013_media_releases/20131130_odo_tampering_and_false.page

[gav240z]

 

[C.A.R.]

 

Is that because Edward Lee of Edward Lee's Japanese Auto Centre is a dodgy, un-ethical & unprofessional used car salesman involved in winding odometers back & re-birthing used Japanese vehicles?