blu260z Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That would work Razed. It all depends on the sheds wiring, I always use my 10amp to 15amp adapter on my closest power point to my shed fuse box aprox 1m. I have welded alot and never popped a breaker. But it all depends on how your shed has been wired and its age. Better to be safe than sorry could be a good investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daretobedifferent Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Just to add to the Lincoln 180C tally, I'll be receiving mine in a few days and I've also purchased an Ampfibian 15A to 10A adapter as well. For auto-panels I suspect it will be fine, but I'll post up whether it cuts-off quite alot when working with auto-panel thicknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu260z Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 For low amp welding 10amp should be fine but as soon as you creep past that 10.01 it will trip. See how you go but I think you might have trouble with it tripping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted April 4, 2016 Administrators Share Posted April 4, 2016 Anyone know what it costs to get a sparky to fit a 15A plug generally speaking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyk_79 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 It's been a while since I had some electrical work done but as they have to do stuff at the fuse box I would estimate at least 300 to 400 Gav. Probably more these days. gav240z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozza Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Hey Gav, that will depend on a number of things but the closer to the board you put the power point, the cheaper it will be. If your shed was nearby the main board I would be tempted to just put a 15a dedicated power point on the board and run a 15a extension lead to the shed each time you need it. Drop me a pm if you want some more info / ideas. Cheers Mick Maybe try SparkyLady, i've seen rheir trucks about Sydney, their slogan is: No bum crack, no BS and no BO. gav240z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PB260Z Posted April 4, 2016 Moderators Share Posted April 4, 2016 Hi I would agree around $300 to $400, and the closer to box the easier. Having a standalone garage likes yours will add significantly to cost if you wanted the 15A point in the garage. If you need any further advice send me a PM. Cheers PB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionysus Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Thought I would revive this thread to give beginners a heads up if they are interested in buying a Mig, I purchased a Lincoln 180c from Adelaide tools for $1099 shipped free to Sydney and they provide you with bonus gloves, work jacket and Electric mask all Lincoln branded.. Value of the extras is about $200 so if you're starting off like I am it's a great deal. gav240z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Something I never see mentioned about gasless MIG, that bulky shield around the tip can be removed which gives you a much better look while welding, plus, you can get into tight places with a naked tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PB260Z Posted February 17, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2017 Thought I would revive this thread to give beginners a heads up if they are interested in buying a Mig, I purchased a Lincoln 180c from Adelaide tools for $1099 shipped free to Sydney and they provide you with bonus gloves, work jacket and Electric mask all Lincoln branded.. Value of the extras is about $200 so if you're starting off like I am it's a great deal. Great decision. Are you going to purchase or rent your gas bottle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu260z Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) Hi guys I use Supagas for my gas suppliers and they are great. They have a pay monthly agreement and it works great for your weekend welder. I pay aprox $10 per month for a D size bottle (+ filling) Argon for tig. I might weld for 2 months and thats all I need so I return it for a total of $20 rent. Companies like Airliquid or BOC require a contract for 6 or 12 months and it was more than double supagas price. I priced up purchasing a bottle and could not find the logic of spending $400 on a bottle then paying to fill it up aswell. If I rent a bottle 40 times I am doing ALOT of welding. Edited February 17, 2017 by blu260z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.A.R. Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 . Companies like Airliquid or BOC require a contract for 6 or 12 months and it was more than double supagas price. That's not strictly true. I have an account with BOC & they invoice on a 3 monthly basis when I have bottles in my position (which is all the time) - I've never signed a contract. They can also invoice you on a 1,2 or 3 monthly basis if that is perferable. BOC can also be negotiated with on gas & rental price - you just have to ask. It helps if you get a price from a competitor like Supagas/Lindi/Airliquid For me, BOC are the same price as the 'local' Supagas agent, however the BOC agent is closer & always has the gas I require in stock... For anyone looking at renting or buying a gas welding bottle, do your due diligence & research to find the best solution for your circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triptych Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just wanted to ad to this that I have also gone the Lincoln 180c. I couldn't find the 15-10amp lead but they did have a junction box version that I grabbed instead. Haven't tested it yet as I was waiting for my gas bottle to come in and I have never welded before so trying to sort one of my boiler maker mates to come teach me. I am going to price up a dedicated 15 amp power point as well because my fuse box is in my garage so the point would only be a few meters from it on the same wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PB260Z Posted February 18, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) Hi, The adaptors are a cheap and effective solution - However they will not allow you actually draw 15a (3600w), they are limited to 10a (2400w) by the RCBO that is inbuilt in the adaptor. This shouldn't be a drama unless you are running at high settings with long duty cycles. Cheers PB Edited February 18, 2017 by PB260Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu260z Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 That's not strictly true. I have an account with BOC & they invoice on a 3 monthly basis when I have bottles in my position (which is all the time) - I've never signed a contract. They can also invoice you on a 1,2 or 3 monthly basis if that is perferable. BOC can also be negotiated with on gas & rental price - you just have to ask. It helps if you get a price from a competitor like Supagas/Lindi/Airliquid For me, BOC are the same price as the 'local' Supagas agent, however the BOC agent is closer & always has the gas I require in stock... For anyone looking at renting or buying a gas welding bottle, do your due diligence & research to find the best solution for your circumstances. Sorry lurch that is correct, other companies like BOC do offer shorter rental agreements. I found Airliquid weren't all that interested in my say 4 times a year rental. That could be because they jave alot of the government contracts to supply gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionysus Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 My intention is to weld mild Steel and some aluminium and from what I'm reading these metals use different gas. What would be the most affordable way to get gas for minimal use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu260z Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Correct mate stainless and aluminum use argon gas and mild steel uses Argosheild. Best thing I can recomend is rent a bottle on a monthly agreement. Start off with mild steel as the gas is cheaper and try to do all your welding within a month or until the bottle runs out. How much welding are you planning on doing in hours ? In terms of amount a D size gas bottle holds 1700ltrs and welding mild steel at 10ltrs per min will give you a bit more than 2.5 hrs of constant welding. If you can get a bottle to suit your amount of welding it will save time and money. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionysus Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) Did some research this morning.. Cheapest Argon deals I could find were either $339 for the D bottle and gas or BOC $0.50/day hire + $123 for the D size gas refill. I think rental may be a better option if I plan to use all the gas within 6 months..Price for E size also might be worth while at $136 for double the gas.. Also waiting to hear from Supagas with prices.Leaning towards Argon because I have some alloy piping I want to join and I'll be creating some oil container and battery boxes in the future. Edited February 20, 2017 by Dionysus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 It sounds to me that perhaps you should look a TIG welding. Specially if you plan to do alloy welding as well as steel. Lots of videos on you tube but you will need a ac/dc machine as ac is required for aluminium or at least preferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu260z Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) Dionysus I would still recommend starting with mild steel. It can be difficult to learn especially if its a first time and for something like aluminum its another aspect. Think of it as skipping step 1 straight into step 2 ☺ Most steel sales companies will have an offcuts bin and are sometimes more than happy for you to take some bits. Try finding aluminium or stainless suppliers that will let you practice weld on their scrap. Its all scrap $$$ to them!! For components like battery tray, catch cans and fuel tanks are all "normally" TIG welded up as you have more control and its a neater looking weld. As bonkers said AC current is used for aluminum, DC is used for stainless and mild steel but an AC/DC tig is an expensive peice of equipment. Chris Edited February 24, 2017 by blu260z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PB260Z Posted February 24, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 24, 2017 Most steel sales companies will have an offcuts bin and are sometimes more than happy for you to take some bits.Hi Shire Steel Supplies in Kirrawee have exactly that and it usually a great assortment of shapes and thicknesses. They do charge for it, but the charge is bugger all. http://www.shiresteel.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionysus Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Thanks for the info guys. I agree and ended up getting gas for mild steel to begin with. I have done some mig welding so I'm not a total novice but still plenty of room for improvement. Also aluminium would of needed a spool gun so it can wait.. I'll definitely hut up some places for scrap metal, kirrawee isn't far from me thanks Pb.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PB260Z Posted February 24, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 24, 2017 Hi Also, if you want to practice welding panels, drop past your local panel beaters, most of them have a pile of bent scrap panels in pile in the back lane. The metal in modern cars is pretty thin but if you can weld that you will right. Cheers PB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike260LW Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Does anybody have any thoughts or knowledge about UniMig welders? My cheap Chinese welder has died. Now there's a surprise! Hare and Forbes have a UniMig dual MIG and Stick unit with gas regulator and other bits and pieces for around a grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Come on Mike , be adventurous and spend a little more money and get two machines. One for tig and one for mig. Yes that means you will be spending up around the 2k mark . But they will last for years . My mig is ticking over 22 years this year and I am waiting for the boss to free up some coin to get a RAZOR DIGITAL PULSE AC/DC 200 AC/DC Inverter TIG/ARC Welder Something that can punch out around 180amp in a mig will cover most projects that you can do a home. As a Safety and risk bloke I know you don't need to be told you need a 15amp outlet and don't break into the wall oven circuit and install and outlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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