doudous Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 Are there any here in Aus? Is this a more significant collectors car on the world market than say a 1970s Falcon GT? Cheers for your thoughts Phil Quote
Moderators Zedman240® Posted May 27, 2012 Moderators Posted May 27, 2012 Closest I've come to a 432Z is holding the 432 badge! haha Quote
nizm0zed Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 im no expert on this, but i would wager that if you have a clean genuine example of a 432, it'd be worth more in japan after you imported it back. Quote
doudous Posted May 27, 2012 Author Posted May 27, 2012 For the last 10 years I have agreed that classic Japanese cars are more valuable in Japan than Aus, but I think Aussies are starting to understand the value of these cars more than ever now. A new generation has grown up with imported Jap performance cars. The cult of the GT-R is alive and well with Bathurst heritage. The prices of good zeds are strong here now. They were the best selling sports car in the USA in the early 70s eclipsing all US muscle car sales... Japanese prices that looked so stupid 5-15 years ago have been stagnant with their economy. The prices don't seem so silly to me now. A tired Toyota 2000GT in need of total restoration made $226,000 at Bonhams auction in Aus 2 years ago... So what would a good Z432 be worth here??? Quote
mossy Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 Surely it would have to be $100k plus depending on condition and after all the fees and taxes to get it shipped over. I've never heard of one in Oz although i think EKW sold an S20 engine back in the 80's which went over to the UK, maybe HS30-H owns it now??? Heres one in Japan http://www.flexnet.co.jp/detail/kw/z432/no/3505084519/ Quote
dat2kman Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 Saw the ones at Zama storage facility, got a few pics, couple days later, at a workshop, saw two cylinder heads, took pics as well? They are for sale, but if you have to ask, you cant afford. It is a case of, you want it, you just pay. What's one worth? If i was very enthusiastic, and found an original, that had been raced, with all fia papers and proof, and was able to prove and show it had race history in year 1969 ( not from 1970 onwards, there is a reason for this), i'd be in the 100 to 150 k mark Quote
thriller Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 I've always wondered what an S20 would sell for on its own. Never been able to see? Doesn't look like the Z432 has many differences. Exhaust, badges, grille, S1 interior and hatch, doesn't have the S1 C pillars though...? Quote
HS30-H Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 If i was very enthusiastic, and found an original, that had been raced, with all fia papers and proof, and was able to prove and show it had race history in year 1969 ( not from 1970 onwards, there is a reason for this), i'd be in the 100 to 150 k mark I don't understand this post. There were no 432s ( or any other S30-series Zs ) that raced in 1969. The earliest official race - obviously not including any traffic-light drag racing - was on 18th January 1970. That car was a factory 'works' Fairlady Z432-R ( the super-lightweight bodied version of the 432 ) and it was light years away from a stock 432, let alone an L-series engined car. You're very unlikely to find a genuine 432 or 432-R with period race history for sale at any amount of money. There are a few out there ( a handful or less... ), but generally speaking it's not a question of money. With cars like that it's often a case of who you know rather than what you know, or how much coin you've got.... I've always wondered what an S20 would sell for on its own. Never been able to see? You'd be looking at something around 1 million to 2.5 million JPY for a rebuildable core in Japan these days, but spare engines are in short supply and S20-engined car owners and S20 specialists tend to sit on them for rainy days. The proper 432 / 432-R type of S20 ( different oil pan & pickup, along with several other detail differences ) are harder to find than C10 or C110 GT-R versions due to numbers made. You need a lot of other 'correct' parts to go with it, too. Doesn't look like the Z432 has many differences. Exhaust, badges, grille, S1 interior and hatch, doesn't have the S1 C pillars though...? There are actually hundreds of differences between an L-series engined Z and an S20-engined Z built in the same period. The factory parts lists are the best places to see the differences. The 432-R is another kettle of fish altogether. C pillar emblems on all 'early' Japanese market airflow cars ( vented tailgate type ) were all the same, whether Fairlady Z, Fairlady Z-L, Fairlady Z432 or Fairlady Z432-R. It was a flattish, round emblem with a big letter 'Z' in the middle, and it attached to the unvented C pillars with two prongs that were the same as '240Z' emblem on the solid pillared Export market cars. Quote
HS30-H Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 By the way, the answer to the original question ( "What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia" ) is the amount it cost to buy in Japan, plus the amount it cost to get it on the road in Australia.... A good, clean ( and 100% genuine - no re-shells! ) PS30-model Fairlady Z432 would likely cost upwards of 5 million JPY at the moment. The better cars can fetch double that privately. Quote
PZG302 Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 By the way, the answer to the original question ( "What's a clean Z432 worth in Australia" ) is the amount it cost to buy in Japan, plus the amount it cost to get it on the road in Australia.... A good, clean ( and 100% genuine - no re-shells! ) PS30-model Fairlady Z432 would likely cost upwards of 5 million JPY at the moment. The better cars can fetch double that privately. Without getting into a pissing competition, for mine a Z432 is worth in Australia what someone is prepared to pay for it. At this stage for one with proven pre'70 race history it looks like that value is up to $150k AUS, so it looks like not enough for someone in Japan to part with theirs. The reason for Jason to want the 1969 race history is to fall into a better class of historic racing out here where he doesn't have to go up against dubious machines of germanic origin, just big hunks of yankee iron.....and some of britain's finest. Having said that, a Z432 should go alright in Sc provided you can use the nice big 4 spot brakes and some big rotors. It's just the S20 that could be problematic to keep fettled, especially with the way someone downshifts...... Quote
NZeder Posted May 27, 2012 Posted May 27, 2012 Ok this stuff on racing in period, historic class is a little of the original posts topic - so I thought I would start a new thread to get a discussion going on period mods etc as this does interest a number of us - no matter what side of the ditch we live and race on see here S30 - Racing and Period mods Quote
SS30RR Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 actually thinking about this the answer is quite easy. No one in Aust is prepared to pay the prices that a 432 have gone for in Japan i.e $150K+. Otherwise they would have had one imported over by now. Can someone start a group buy thread for the 432 badges : ). Quote
d3c0y Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 I agree - just look at S30 prices here compared to Japan. Australian prices are roughly half of what they are in Japan. Quote
thriller Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 I agree - just look at S30 prices here compared to Japan. Australian prices are roughly half of what they are in Japan. The price of parts is so much higher too. What cost me $140 for a center console here would have been more than double to get landed from J-land. Sellers should get a translator and advertise it back to the motherland, would probably get the asking price every time. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted June 5, 2012 Administrators Posted June 5, 2012 The price of parts is so much higher too. What cost me $140 for a center console here would have been more than double to get landed from J-land. Sellers should get a translator and advertise it back to the motherland, would probably get the asking price every time. I've actually been thinking of setting up a service to import hard to find Z parts to Australia from Japan. So maybe I'm going the wrong direction? There are no 432 Z's in Australia that I'm aware of, and I don't know of any that have ever been in Australia. I've known of a couple of Toyota 2000GT's but no special Z's. I don't even think we have a genuine HS30-H in Australia hiding away anywhere... Phil - with regard to your original question it's hard to say if these cars are more valuable in Australia than an Aussie classic like a Falcon GT. I would say no, the Aussie muscle cars are getting silly money really, for cars that were *ahem* not all that great really....I mean I definitely appreciate some of the old Aussie icons and would love to own a few of them, but build quality always put me off and the styling was never quite my cup of tea with a few exceptions of course. There is also the appeal of large displacement engines in many of those cars, compared with the Japanese cars with smaller motors. To be honest I've never understood why the Z's values have struggled when compared with other vintage cars especially some of the British lemons. It may have something to do with sheer volume of them sold? I've seen some good cars sell for good money in Europe / UK, but if I was seriously considering a car. I'd definitely purchase an ex-californian car to Europe - rust free and many tidy original cars still come up often enough on Ebay. Much better than a rotten UK car. How much interest has their been in the Skyline you have on eBay right now? I've seen more and more interest in importing these cars to places outside of Japan in recent years. I'm also curious what the old rotary's are selling or in Japan right now? It's a shame there are not many original R100's, RX-2, RX-3, RX-4 in Australia. In Japan they seem to be a lot more 'period correct' looking and would sell for good money I think.. Quote
SS30RR Posted July 6, 2012 Posted July 6, 2012 I agree - just look at S30 prices here compared to Japan. Australian prices are roughly half of what they are in Japan. wow really? I never knew that. Quote
RB26DETT Posted July 6, 2012 Posted July 6, 2012 Was looking at the rocky auto web page the other day to see how much their RB converted zeds sell for and if I am converting correctly they are asking ~$90,000 AUD then you have to add the cost of bringing it back to Oz!!!! Quote
luvemfast Posted July 6, 2012 Posted July 6, 2012 Was looking at the rocky auto web page the other day to see how much their RB converted zeds sell for and if I am converting correctly they are asking ~$90,000 AUD then you have to add the cost of bringing it back to Oz!!!! Well I that's the case, Sinisha could sell his Z and buy a Porsche GT3. You know, the cars that he's already faster than! Quote
specialp3 Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 z432's suffer from the same problem all zeds have, no-one wants to pay for a good car. We all think that a good zed is worth $10K and anything over that is crazy. The link below shows are car for sale in Japan that has been on offer now for over 12 months, I posted this link a very long time ago as this dealer also had some very nice zg's for around $50K. http://www.bingosports.co.jp/StockDetail1/shop_632-1/car_56/cate_0/design_2206/css_1021/shop_disp_1/window_NEW.html If anybody has restored a zed correctly, the numbers you see are a bargain. I know of at least 2 cars which are not on the road and owe the owners over $80K for proper rust, panel and paint. Quote
RB26DETT Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 The orange 432 is for sale at 8,800,000 yen which is around $108,500 Aud. !!! It doesn't get much better than that for the S30 series cars ...l Quote
specialp3 Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 This car was for sale when I did my resto, I would now be the owner of z432. Landed this car is still cheaper than a proper resto on a zed. I cannot believe nobody thinking of restoring a zed has run the numbers. gav240z 1 Quote
luvemfast Posted July 11, 2012 Posted July 11, 2012 That orange 432 above is doing my head in. Its perfect. No bolt ons! Beautiful Got me looking at others around. Found 2 others for sale, make the orange one look like a pretty good deal. Restored, Silver 7,800,000 yen http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com.au&u=http://page17.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v258525385&usg=ALkJrhjEyvHjT1vhbVPiW-NamG5ykRPmpg Unrestored, orange (says red) 6,500,000 yen http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com.au&u=http://page13.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/r91177596&usg=ALkJrhhOuZnsI3DIdOhWaP6tSBY4MZstiA Now, I can't afford a 432. But wouldn't mind making a tribute to the orange one........ But maybe with green Quote
Agno Posted July 12, 2012 Posted July 12, 2012 I think the biggest issue holding people back on buying a z432 is that your average Joe would see the car and think it's "just another Datsun". I would love a z432 myself but I would probably prefer a c10 gtr first if I was given the choice Quote
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