CH PLATES

[dazzed]

i have been informed that the ndsoc have decided to make up another ruling as far as CH plates are concerned, You are required to be a member for 12 months before you are eligble, so just park your car in the shed for 12 months and twiddle your thumbs , is this to detour members away that have zeds,

[.]

Move to brissy. We'll give em to ya as soon as you join.

[mossy]

That throws a spanner in the works for me

[Linton]

sounds you you need to create a new club of your own, thats what they have done down here instant membership, self assessors of vehicles its great

[luvemfast]

I'm currently involved with Dave Jones at the moment regarding this issue Daniel.

Benny has been told the same info you've brought up and it's bull sh!t.

The committee for NDSOC are still writing the book on this one and seem to be split.

I can understand when they have guys approaching them with GM's or Fords, but a Datsun sports car not getting preferential treatment makes your mind boggle!

 

I think common sense will prevail in the end.

 

[C.A.R.]

You love stiring the pot, don't you Daniel?

 

I'd like to read Mr. Fields position on this, before I make comment...

[Agno]

When I was looking to have my car placed on CH plates I spoke to a few NSDOC members regarding this exact issue... I'm a bit surprised that they tightened the rules even further however!

 

All I did was go and join another Nissan/Datsun affiliated car club that issues CH plates... It's not like there is a shortage of them.

[dazzed]

You love stiring the pot, don't you Daniel?

I'd like to read Mr. Fields position on this, before I make comment...

 

I had a notion you may say that!! when you hear things the story can change slightly as it goes along , im constantly approached by people asking me whats going on with this and to be honest i dont know because i no longer have any cars on club rego, being a LV tester i refuse to have someone who is not qualified inspecting my cars.

 

[dazzed]

I'm currently involved with Dave Jones at the moment regarding this issue Daniel.

Benny has been told the same info you've brought up and it's bull sh!t.

The committee for NDSOC are still writing the book on this one and seem to be split.

I can understand when they have guys approaching them with GM's or Fords, but a Datsun sports car not getting preferential treatment makes your mind boggle!

 

I think common sense will prevail in the end.

so a load of BS someone got it wrong , what next ?

[benny]

The info I was told was by the "Permit Plate Secretary" which one would assume is giving correct information. It seems NDSOC needs to get there internal issues sorted first before making restrictions on this.

[luvemfast]

I can understand that Alan doesn't want people to take advantage of the NDSOC and "use" the club just for "cheap rego".

But, this is a real opportunity to grow the club to take it to another level. Vicroads have handed clubs the best piece of marketing, for free.

By making it difficult for "Datsun Sports Cars", like someone's mint Z, from joining the "Nissan Datsun Sports Owners Club" defies logic.

As Agno brought up, they'll just go to another club.

 

This is bigger than ANY individuals own opinion. Regardless of their title within the club!

 

Hopefull Alan can explain his position on this issue. It was a hot potato at the last meeting, which he didn't attend. I've also spoken with a few committee members who seem to agree with me?

[Zedman240®]

With you Simon, I too was going to ask Dave Jones about it and he told me you already had a chat about it so I thought I'd leave it for now. It does defies logic if they go ahead with that 12 month wait. As you and others have said, future member would just join other clubs!

[gav240z]

I can understand that Alan doesn't want people to take advantage of the NDSOC and "use" the club just for "cheap rego".

 

I was planning to try and get my Z registered on CH plates so that my mum could drive it from time to time whilst I'm away. Seems a waste to have it parked up in the garage for nearly 4 years now. Would rather see it getting some use.

[nizm0zed]

Im sure its been covered at the meetings, but it seems like there is a 'marketing' issue as well.

Perhaps there are too many people who think that the CH plates a a cheap ride? Instead of understanding all the rules and regulations that come along with them?

I know at first i though the CH plates would be a good cheap non engineering rego for my car, but after reading up on the facts of it, i realised that the restrictions and limitations didn't suit what i wanted to do.

 

how many others aren't aware of that?

 

[dazzed]

I can understand that Alan doesn't want people to take advantage of the NDSOC and "use" the club just for "cheap rego".

But, this is a real opportunity to grow the club to take it to another level. Vicroads have handed clubs the best piece of marketing, for free.

By making it difficult for "Datsun Sports Cars", like someone's mint Z, from joining the "Nissan Datsun Sports Owners Club" defies logic.

As Agno brought up, they'll just go to another club.

 

This is bigger than ANY individuals own opinion. Regardless of their title within the club!

 

Hopefull Alan can explain his position on this issue. It was a hot potato at the last meeting, which he didn't attend. I've also spoken with a few committee members who seem to agree with me?

well said Simon.

[reverendzed]

My 2 cents from across the ocean.  The NDSOC club at it's leadership level has become an institutionalized model, hence the fact that they now feel 'safe' by restricting access and limiting the danger of what the unknown brings.  As someone who has studied and written on the subject of different leadership models  there seems to be many of the components at play that will, if not aprehended quickly, move NDSOC to a model of redundancy.  Here's just a few 'signs': Long standing 'members' vying for and occupying key positions, Limited involvement of Gen Y (probably even Gen X!), micro managing constitutional rules and manipulating new opportunities for the sake of current members, limited use of marketing collateral or leveraging of relationships to expand the club with new memberships and finally it is insular and isolated from many of the other 'like minded' fraternities of common interest.

 

My objective evaluation... NDSOC will fail to exist in a few years if it continues to adhere to it's current structure that has developed as a result of short sightedness of its original objectives.  How can it be fixed? either through radical re-evaluation and re-identifying with it's core values or a hostile takeover.  Either way without a change at its core it will soon be a corpse.

Rev.

[chris240]

I know Ive said it before, I'll work 3 jobs if I had to & budget my cars expenditure (& go without food  )  , to pay for my full rego.. full rego gives me FREEEEEDOM !

[Six_Shooter]

What are the restrictions of these "CH plates?" What does the "CH" stand for?

[Zedman240®]

The CH means classic / historic and basically is a 90 day unregistered vehicle permit. Previously you only could use the car on club related activities or test drives and drives taking the car for repairs. Now with the new laws, for between 45-90 (your choice) days you are allowed to drive the car for whatever reason as long as you fill out the log book accordingly. Failure to do that will earn you a nice fine.

[Agno]

As well as considerable heartache for your club.

 

Im sure its been covered at the meetings, but it seems like there is a 'marketing' issue as well.

Perhaps there are too many people who think that the CH plates a a cheap ride? Instead of understanding all the rules and regulations that come along with them?

I know at first i though the CH plates would be a good cheap non engineering rego for my car, but after reading up on the facts of it, i realised that the restrictions and limitations didn't suit what i wanted to do.

 

how many others aren't aware of that?

 

The modifications allowed under the CH scheme extend to period specific mods or modifications that allow for easier repair ie different headlights because an original might be too hard to find. Most clubs allow small mods as long as they can see they are safe (disk brake rear, triple webers/injection etc) and more serious cars should be on streetrod/rally permits according to Vicroads.

[Surly_Z]

I'm in the process now of joining NDSOC to get my car on CH plates. I admit, I don't want to do track days, or sprints etc but I am interested in BBQ's and the odd casual meet. I don't think that should rule me out of membership, unless they change purely to a 'track' club? I rarely drive my car as I'm in Brunswick and near everything! I use my car maybe twice a month, so paying full rego for "freedom" is not ideal - so CH makes sense to me!

 

The argument for 'cheap' rego is a little silly, as not every Tom, Dick and Harry are out there buying Z's (or any other old Datsun) and joining NDSOC so they can save $500-$600 on rego. How much have you guys spent on restoration, maintenance and keeping your car roadworthy - more than $600 I'd imagine. Doesn't that then rule out this idea that there are scammers out there buying old Datsuns just for cheap rego? There's obviously some kind of commitment and passion to get a Datsun to roadworthy status - either through funding their own restoration, or spending $$ on one in decent condition.

 

 

[Six_Shooter]

Sounds similar to our "historic" plates, or what we call "Hysteric" since the rules for such plates are rarely enforced.

 

I know of a bunch of cars that are heavily modified with the historic plates, and some get used almost as daily drivers, even though they are supposed to be limited to going to and from organized car shows/meets, for repairs and test drives. There's no restriction to number of days to drive, no need for a club affiliation (Though it does help for insurance on motorcycles to be a part of a recognized club) and no log book.

 

I think I'm glad I don't live down there, it seems difficult or at the least very expensive to enjoy building/modifying/owning a special interest car.

 

Needing to be a member for a year before being eligible for the CH plates would make me look at other clubs though.

[zedrally]

There are other Car Clubs, the NDSOC do not hold a monopoly on CH Permits.

You could try the Nissan Car Club or if you're not worried about having other Classic's around you the HRA welcomes any car as it's not a specific car type club (gets interesting at times).

Reverendzed summed it up, good luck with your choice......

[dazzed]

OK now for all who dont fully understand the CH PLATE  situation here goes its simple , Vic Roads allow the owners of vehicles 25 years or older a concession on the annuall rego fee due to limited amount of use on their roads, innitially vic roads stipulated these cars were only to be driven on vic roads whilst paticipating in a club event associatted with the plate issuing club as a finaciall member, Note/ this is based on the condition that these vehicles are of roadworthy condition, A typicall annuall rego of $700 would only cost a CH plate holder the sum of $90.00, A unregistered vehicle associated with a letter from the CH permit club coordinator could be issued allowing the plates to be issued by vic roads to a vehicle without a current roadworthy certificate, If the coordinator has any doubt about the condition of the vehicle applying for CH plates can also request a current roadworthy certificate, which i think is fair enough, Now here is where it gets really tricky ,if a vehicle has been modified depending on the extent of  the modification a club that issues CH plates has to determine if the vehicle is still elligble for CH plates.      Now the issuing CH plate coordinator maybe a hairdresser and is in no posisition to determine that the modifications made to your vehicle comply with Vic Roads standards unless they are liscened by Vic Roads as certified roadworthy testers or mechanicall engineers , the fact is they are not in a posistion nor do they have the relevant VSI information , So how can you expect a hair dresser to roadworthy your vehicle , you cant and you wouldnt , i submiited a email suggesting to the ndsoc that being a finaciall member for 20 years and a fully qualified motor mechanic and being a licsened vehicle tester  and a enthusiast i could fullfil this posisition , No as this would be impacting on another persons roll in the club, and as the club allways stipulated its your club have your say Daniel.

[luvemfast]

You only been involved in the club for 20 years Daniel....... Newbie 

 

The people given the role of inspecting cars are not hairdressers, they have been involved in motorsport and clubs for many years. They have been given the responsibility of checking the safety of the cars which the NDSOC are responsible for. I think that they are doing a great job and adapting to the new rules will always have its teething problems.

 

So what is your actual gripe Daniel? That you have to wait 1 year to prove your worthiness to be in the NDSOC or the fact that you aren't on the committee as an official inspector? You've changed the direction there mate You understand that they are all volunteers and are giving up their time and expense? The job all of these guys (and gals) are doing is great, just need to work out a few issues. Which I believe they will. Maybe come to some meetings and put your hand up at the next AGM?

 

In Victoria, this is the best club for Z's! Going to other clubs would be a tragedy.