Early Girl Bingo - With Photos

[gav240z]

Signal to noise ratio is not the best.

Like giving pigs strawberries I believe is the saying . Pretty sure I know which Z432-R that is too..

[HS30-H]

Like giving pigs strawberries I believe is the saying . Pretty sure I know which Z432-R that is too..

 

For me it's as much about the format as anything else. It just seems like it's not supposed to nurture conversations or group discussions, and it's more like a load of people talking over each other or drowning out the key point. Maybe I'm too old fashioned to adapt or something? 

 

The owner of that particular 432-R is extremely shy of the limelight. He actually owns two of them (only beaten by the other guy who has three...) but last time I saw him he denied it all. Probably quite sensible.     

[gav240z]

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/3562-432-for-sale-in-nsw/?p=38578
 
Does HS30 00015 still exist?
 

HS30-00016 was originally 918 but it was a bit hacked by the time I got it - about 11 owner by then lol. It was grey, with a sunroof (why did they do that in the 80's......= needed a new roof), it has FG flares boned on = rust on the rear guards, floors were going, battery box area = almost gone, interior was ok ish. But it had the hard to find early bits still, seats, SU's, etc but a L26 under the hood (but still have the 2400cc OHC cover)

I sold it to Peter Campbell who owned a blue 240z here in NZ and also purchase a blue 240z with a RB30ET with flares in NSW (car might have been in/from QLD as Pete was there for some time too) he owns a few zeds. Before he took HS30-00016 the ZClub here located other early parts for the car ie early L24 block, 5 original steel rims and hubcaps. I believe Pete found other parts via Allen Stern?? In QLD?? ie new/replacement roof, rear 1/4s, etc. I believe it was going to be restored - Pete even managed to find HS30-00013 in Australia that he believe was the sister car to 16 as they were the same colour originally etc.

I have not heard much about what happened to the car in the last 10 years or so would be nice to know. Anybody know Pete Campbell in NSW who is into Zeds?

 
 

Nzeder,
You're doing a fine job here. You've got a lot more patience than me, for sure 

bluerat,
The very first proper 240Z works rally cars to be used in competition ( five of them ) were all RHD. They were Japanese 'carnet' registered 'TKS 33 SA 694', 695, 696, 697 & 698, and were used in the 1970 RAC Rally ( although one of them was entered in a 'local' UK club event before the RAC, as 'practice' ). Only four of those were entered in the RAC and the fifth was used as a high speed tender / service car, crewed by the Japanese team manager and chasing between service points.

The first proper LHD works 240Z rally cars were the batch used for the 1971 Monte Carlo Rallye, Japanese registered 'TKS 33 SA 985', 986, 987 & 988. There were no LHD works 240Zs used on the E.A. Safari Rally in 1971 & '72 ( they were all RHD ) but LHD versions - previously blooded on other events - were used there '73 onwards. The LHD cars seen on the Southern Cross & Dulux rallies etc in Australia had usually been used on other events in Europe, such as the Monte Carlo Rallye and TAP Rallye. The whole subject is very big once you start getting deeper into it......


Mike, funny you should mention 'HS30-00013'. Last time I saw that chassis number ( on a piece of blue firewall, and an original chassis plate ) it was hanging on the wall of a workshop here in England. The owner had hacked it off of a derelict car that he found in Australia...... 

 
 

You are correct it was a typo that should have been 15 - hell it was 10 years when I last spoke to Pete so it was a car that was coloured 918 as 16 was originally and was within 2 or 3 numbers just lower.

I heard a rumour (yes they should not be written on the web as some might take it as read) that an early rally 240z was trashed in the outback of Australia (not sure if it was a works car or not) but the support team removed all the parts they could then the body shell was semi buried at the crash site

[gav240z]

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/1924-cars-for-sale-3rd-party-sites-ebay-carsales-etc/?p=193876

 

HS30 00510 for sale with matching numbers engine.

[GongZ]

Number 630

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mount-lewis/cars-vans-utes/1971-datsun-240z/1153588379

Edited July 11, 2017 by GongZ

[gav240z]

Nice, looks like a good project car. Great colour also.

 

Closest car I have to that is #626.

https://goo.gl/photos/BKNmC8HvcKmoy79x5

 

and #624 was 901 Silver.

[gav240z]

HS30 00211 for sale.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/1924-cars-for-sale-3rd-party-sites-ebay-carsales-etc/?p=194339

[gav240z]

This only applies to the first 1000 or so cars and of course many I don't know their original colour, but of the cars we do or I could confirm this is what the data states..

 

[GregTas]

Why so many Tan cars? perhaps like orange it was a popular 70s colour?

[gav240z]

Why so many Tan cars? perhaps like orange it was a popular 70s colour?

I assume by tan you mean. Kalahari tan 918? I can't tell you why Nissan made so many in that shade vs others but the data I have so far seems to match what others in North America have said which is that 918 is very common. Personally I love the colour.

 

Keep in mind this data is still a sample size, but I am reasonably sure of the data given that cars with close numbers share the same colour.

 

I have only really covered 70/71 cars so far. It will be interesting to see 72/73 car data also.

 

Lots of manual data entry but it is telling an interesting story.

 

For 1 thing iearnt just how rare a Blue interior was.. maybe less than 3% so far. I am working backwards though and people could have changed these things over the years. So I only enter body colour and interior colour if a photo can confirm they were original to the car in some way.

 

Of the first 2000 cars just over 240 or so have been accounted for so far but accounted for also means confirmed deceased.

 

However so far I've focused on HS30s in Australia but quite a lot went to the UK and quite a few AU market cars are in the UK gradually over the years they have made their way over.

 

I will need help with compliance plate data, auto vs manual, original engine numbers and body colours in future.

[GongZ]

This only applies to the first 1000 or so cars and of course many I don't know their original colour, but of the cars we do or I could confirm this is what the data states..

901 Silver needs a label

[gav240z]

901 Silver needs a label

 

True but this was a 5 min job using the excel data I'd put together. I'll produce more later when the data is more complete. 901 Silver does appear to be quite rare for the first batch of cars though! I was surprised that 903 Blue was also. Love that colour.

[GongZ]

I would like to see a 903 blue next to a 307 blue - they look the same in photos

[gav240z]

I would like to see a 903 blue next to a 307 blue - they look the same in photos

I believe 903 was primarily an early colour. Where as 307 Blue came later 72+

903 is definitely darker in colour, but lighting obviously makes it look different.

 

Here is Kats 240z (903).

 

 

Here is a 307 Blue 1973 Fairlady 240Z-L

[gav240z]

Looking at more data (for cars 70-73) tells a slightly different story.

 

However there is definitely holes in my data for 1972 models. I've also used WA Z registry data here. Basically this is the most complete HS30 data that I know of.

[24 Dat]

I believe 903 was primarily an early colour. Where as 307 Blue came later 72+

903 is definitely darker in colour, but lighting obviously makes it look different.

 

Here is Kats 240z (903).

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KATSFrontRSide.jpg

 

 

Here is a 307 Blue 1973 Fairlady 240Z-L

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903 has got my vote for the better blue plus those white factory decals on the first photo look sweet

[gav240z]

Some coming back to the numbers here:
http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/5161-how-rare-are-hs30-240zs/

According To Nissan's 280ZX Book, Production and Distribution For The Datsun 240Z Looked like this:
                      USA        Canada    Australia    Great Britain  Others  
1970            16,215        1201        319           2                    3
1971            33,684        3440        894           264                89
1972            52,628        4020        362           549                494
1973            45,588        2537        783           1,114             430

Sub-totals    148,115    11,198      2,358         1,929            1,016

Total 164,616

The number of so far recorded 1972 HS30's is very small compared to 70,71 and 73 models. In fact only 27 or so have been recorded. (see attached image) and of those known HS30's a couple are Japanese home market HS30's and 1 or 2 are UK delivered cars.
A lot of this data is from WA Z Registry data (which has been running for years now and has a lot more entries for other years) and also from the data I've been collecting myself.

So are 72 model 240z's the rarest of the 240z's delivered to Australia?

[andyk_79]

I'll take being rare. Mine for the 1972 list:

 

Hs30- 11108

L24 - 089952

 

113 green in colour

 

Black interior

Auto

Edited July 21, 2017 by andyk_79

[HS30-H]

Some coming back to the numbers here:

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/5161-how-rare-are-hs30-240zs/

 

According To Nissan's 280ZX Book, Production and Distribution For The Datsun 240Z Looked like this:

                      USA        Canada    Australia    Great Britain  Others  

1970            16,215        1201        319           2                    3

1971            33,684        3440        894           264                89

1972            52,628        4020        362           549                494

1973            45,588        2537        783           1,114             430

 

Sub-totals    148,115    11,198      2,358         1,929            1,016

 

Total 164,616

 

The number of so far recorded 1972 HS30's is very small compared to 70,71 and 73 models. In fact only 27 or so have been recorded. (see attached image) and of those known HS30's a couple are Japanese home market HS30's and 1 or 2 are UK delivered cars.

A lot of this data is from WA Z Registry data (which has been running for years now and has a lot more entries for other years) and also from the data I've been collecting myself.

 

So are 72 model 240z's the rarest of the 240z's delivered to Australia?

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Gavin,

I'm not going to beat about the bush here - the production 'data' in that 280ZX book (the title says it all, actually) is a load of old bollocks. It's not fit for use. And WTF does "others" mean? Where's Japan FFS...?

 

It's a nice coffee table book with pretty pictures, but it's more useful as a doorstop than as a reference point. Or maybe useful for throwing at people who think the term 'Datsun 240Z' covers all S30-series production for the 1969 through 1973 period....

[gav240z]

I'll take being rare. Mine for the 1972 list:

 

Hs30- 11108

L24 - 089952

 

113 green in colour

 

Black interior

Auto

 

Duly noted.

FYI: http://wazregister.com/index.php?title=viewcar&car=HS30-11107

Although as you can see the information entered here is questionable in terms of colours etc.. since it's likely the sister car to your car was likely the same colour and specification. 

[gav240z]

Gavin,

I'm not going to beat about the bush here - the production 'data' in that 280ZX book (the title says it all, actually) is a load of old bollocks. It's not fit for use. And WTF does "others" mean? Where's Japan FFS...?.

 

Point taken, I am just looking for data to cross reference. What I've seen so far from the WA Z Register and the data I've collected is an under representation of 72 model cars.

[HS30-H]

Point taken, I am just looking for data to cross reference. What I've seen so far from the WA Z Register and the data I've collected is an under representation of 72 model cars.

 

I might be trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs here, but has anybody approached Nissan Australia PTY. to see if they have any records of what was imported in period? I feel sure that they would have had the data at the time, but they may well not have it any more. Is it worth trying (again)?

 

In the past I tried to get the relevant stuff relating to the UK market, but because of the huge mess that emerged from Datsun UK originally being a concessionaire and the scandal involving Mr Octav Botnar, and then finally the takeover by Nissan themselves in order to form Nissan UK, it seems a lot of it went down the toilet. Typical. 

[gav240z]

I spoke with Lindsay Drife about this, he said the following when I asked about productions numbers and specifications. So it seems many of the records were thrown out in the big move out of the city (Elizabeth St) towards Dandenong.

 No body I quizzed at Nissan was around in the early 70's. Very few historic records were retained after the move from Elizabeth St to Dandenong. The receptionist at the front desk drove a problematic green auto 260Z & lived in Clayton so I sorted it out for her. Wayno & her kept an ear to the ground for any info & apart from what was in the parts manual & Japanese production sheet attached this was the best they could find.

 

 

I haven't asked anyone in Sydney (Arnold Glass would have been the guy to ask) but I could try a few folks up here who may have known him or been involved with Datsun's back then. Perhaps they know or someone has hung onto records?

[gav240z]

HS30 100011

https://petrolicious.com/articles/did-you-know-about-nissan-s-elegant-zg-homologation-special

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/nissan/240z/1972/386360

[mick260]

My brother was looking at buying this off his wife's cousin. He said it has the vents in the hatch so I asked what number it is. Apparently it's No.000000062 The owner changed his mind and said he can't get rid of it yet.