Early Girl Bingo - With Photos

[drifta1600]

#659 up for sale

[gav240z]

#799 almost ready for the road.

 

You move quick!

[OdinZ]

assuming you spotted #317 on Downunder Datsuns facebook page?

[24Ozed]

Great read!

I've got #166. Currently getting a full rebuild. Never had the original L24 unfortunately so have gone for L28.

 

My dad has one in the 300's.. cant recall # but will check that later this week.

[gav240z]

Great read!

I've got #166. Currently getting a full rebuild. Never had the original L24 unfortunately so have gone for L28.

 

My dad has one in the 300's.. cant recall # but will check that later this week.

 

I don't think I have any photos of #166 would love to see some! No matter what state it's currently in!

 

Also if you find out what your dad's car is I'd also love to see photos and know it's current state. I'm collecting details and photos of EVERY HS30 I can, as I find it tells a very interesting story of these cars and their condition, colours and specification. Along with the build no's, date of production etc.. often finding batches of cars with close VIN #'s were sent here and any large gaps I assume means cars were exported elsewhere like UK, South Africa or sold in Japan (in some cases as Fairlady 240ZG's and Fairlday 240Z's).

 

It's often interesting that people looking to buy cars ask me for history on them, in some cases I'm able to share photos of them in previous states or find their brother/sister cars and confirm what their original colour was or likely to be etc..

 

I still need to put a lot of this information into a more permanent database. I had never intended to go down this route, but it's become a strange addiction. 

[OdinZ]

Gav, silly question, don't the Zs sold in Japan have a VIN of S30 and not HS30?

[24Ozed]

I bought #166 through the trading post (paper copy) about 10- 12 years ago. Stylishly fitted with Nismo badges and the worlds largest alluminium wing spoiler. Which were both hastily removed when i got it home.

At the time i had no idea about the "early" 240z's and for me I was just happy to get one.

 

It wasn't until later down the track that I started to read up about chassis numbers and its early significance.

A few things didn't add up.. It had no vents in the hatch and had the later pillar badges.

About 6 years ago I started stripping it for rebuild and then realised that the hatch vents were still there but had been patched over. Also the later pillar badges had been retro fitted and the pilot holes for the original badges remained.

 

My father has tackled the body work with significant rust repairs and rust proofing for a future lifetime.

Body work is finished now, and it is in the process of getting painted white.
I have just about everything i need to put it back together, I think maybe 1 year and it will be back on the road.

It won't be rebuilt to original spec .. ZG Flares, Fender Mirrors, Fairlady Grill, L28 with triple 45's, Watanabes etc. 

 

Pics from past and present coming soon..

[gav240z]

Gav, silly question, don't the Zs sold in Japan have a VIN of S30 and not HS30?

 

Nope. 2.4ltr home market cars with an L24 fitted were HS30's. 2.0ltr cars with L20A were S30's.

This car is a Fairlady 240Z-L and is HS30 prefixed for example. (HS30-10052)

https://petrolicious.com/articles/this-nissan-fairlady-240z-l-is-a-rare-japanese-survivor

 

http://www.classiczcars.com/topic/37182-hs30-found-and-bought-in-the-states-another-money-pit/

 

By the way there is also a quote from Alan in there re: start dates and VIN no's for certain production HS30's. Worth adding here also.

 

Japanese home market 'HS30' VIN-prefixed models manufactured during the calendar year of 1971 had body serial numbers 'HS30-10001' through 'HS30-10436'. Then the 1972 calendar year had 'HS30-010437' ( note that extra digit ) through 'HS30-012045', whereafter the first digit was changed over to a '1' and numbers 'HS30-100001' through 'HS30-100800' were manufactured. 1973 calendar year production started from 'HS30-100801'..........

[OdinZ]

Nope. 2.4ltr home market cars with an L24 fitted were HS30's. 2.0ltr cars with L20A were S30's.

This car is a Fairlady 240Z-L and is HS30 prefixed for example.

https://petrolicious.com/articles/this-nissan-fairlady-240z-l-is-a-rare-japanese-survivor

So are the S30s more rare/hold a higher value? or are they less popular because of the 2.0ltr motor?

[gav240z]

So are the S30s more rare/hold a higher value? or are they less popular because of the 2.0ltr motor?

 

Probably not the thread for the discussion to be honest. The answer is of course, it depends...

[gav240z]

HS30 10052 was added.

http://www.classiczcars.com/topic/37182-hs30-found-and-bought-in-the-states-another-money-pit/

 

[24 Dat]

He is a bit more info on HS30 00026 i found from a Bonhams auction in June 2005  please read thru the text, plus i reckon they got the engine number wrong most likely L24

 

Lot 622

1972 DATSUN 240Z RALLY CAR

Registration no. PTD 524K (see text) Chassis no. HS3000026 (see text) Engine no. L34 048315

 

£15,000 - 25,000

AU$ 25,000 - 42,000

 

1972 Datsun 240Z Rally Car 

Registration no. PTD 524K (see text)

Chassis no. HS3000026 (see text)

Engine no. L34 048315

Datsun first went international rallying with the Bluebird and Cedric saloons in the early 1960s, scoring its first major success in 1966 when the Bluebird won its class in the Safari Rally. The first Datsun to make an impact on the European stage was the 240Z, a large, front-engined, rear-drive, six-cylinder coupé that was hailed as spiritual successor to the ‘Big Healey’. The ‘Z’ possessed similar virtues too, being fast in a straight line, sturdily built and ultra reliable, and was at its best in events where these factors mattered most. The car’s greatest successes was its two outright wins in the Safari Rally in 1971 and 1973, driven by Edgar Hermann and Shekhar Mehta respectively, while Tony Fall won the Welsh Rally in 1971 and Rauno Aaltonen came third in the ’72 Monte. 

 

This car has been prepared for rallying by Datsun dealers Bradburn Brothers Ltd, who purchased it from Stewart Coupe. Works chassis number ‘26’ had been driven on the RAC by John Bloxham, the TAP by Chris Sclater, the Welsh by Tony Fall and various other rallies by Roy Fidler (when owned by Cal Withers of Withers of Winsford) and then by Stewart Coupe.

 

The car had been rolled by Roy Fidler and was re-shelled by Bradburn’s, the chassis plate from ‘26’ being transferred. (This plate, bearing original Japanese characters, had been over-stamped prior to Bradburn’s ownership with numbers in European style, as European FIA scrutineers would not have been able to understand Japanese characters). Because Datsun UK rarely imported spare body shells, a second-hand Fairlady ’shell of the correct period was used for the rebuild. The 2-litre version of the ‘Z’ was marketed as the Fairlady in some markets, and this particular ’shell came from an ex-USA car that was in very good rust free condition. We understand the donor vehicle was registration PVF 289R for which the V5 is offered with this lot. Bradburn’s re-jigged the car and fitted various new chassis/body components to complete the rebuild. All the parts from the original ’shell (which was scrapped) were then transferred to the Fairlady ’shell and Jonathan Bradburn competed in the newly refurbished car in one or two events. It was sold to the vendor in November 1984. 

 

As lightweight panels were no longer permitted for rallying this car has steel doors, wings and tailgate but also reinforced chassis rails and engine mounts, works front struts, Group 4 brakes, an early works gearbox and roll-bar, differential cooler, works magnesium wheels and works front seats. A Datsun 240Z with an interesting competition history and works origins, retaining an extensive collection of rare works parts, it is offered with old (photocopy) V5 and current Swansea V5 registration documents. Prospective buyers are advised to check with Bonhams for any amendments to this description by the time of Sale and to satisfy themselves as to the originality, status and completeness of this vehicle prior to bidding.

 

SALEROOM NOTICES

• The photographs illustrating this lot have been transposed with lot 619.

[gav240z]

Yeah great car, I'd seen it before as the Kobe Seiko wheels caught my eye but couldn't find information on it's chassis no. It's technically not HS30 00026 anymore, but a Fairlady Z (S30) wearing many of it's parts.

[HS30-H]

Yeah great car, I'd seen it before as the Kobe Seiko wheels caught my eye but couldn't find information on it's chassis no. It's technically not HS30 00026 anymore, but a Fairlady Z (S30) wearing many of it's parts.

 

There's no "technically" about it, Gavin. It simply isn't the same car.

 

Hugely long story, but suffice to say that the current car and the original works car both had their own independent holes in space and time, but never 'became one'.

[24 Dat]

Here are the supposed transposed photo mentioned 

[24 Dat]

the photos in post #487 are from this car which was auctioned at the same time 

THE EX-WIN PERCY/CLIVE RICHARDSON/JEREMY WALTON, 6-HOUR RELAY CAR LAL, 1972 DATSUN 240Z COUPÉ

Registration no. LAL 909K Chassis no. HS3001914 Engine no. L24 071782

 

*Edited by gav240z to add links to source.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/619/

 

Site appear to have issues so replying on Google-cache.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:N4r3JQUSJNEJ:https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/619/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

PDF saved for posterity just in case page disappears in future.

Bonhams _ The ex-Win Percy_Clive Richardson_Jeremy Walton, 6-Hour Relay Car ‘LAL’,1972 Datsun 240Z Coupé Chassis no. HS3001914 Engine no.pdf

[gav240z]

On the topic of Bonham's they have auctioned quite a few HS30's over the years. All of which I'll need to document.

 

HS30 100992

1.http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19286/lot/428/?category=list

HS30 12609

2. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16245/lot/320/

HS30 12065

3. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15338/lot/320/

HS30 01903

4.https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/18220/lot/570/?category=list

HS30 013736

5.https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15345/lot/745/?category=list

‘WRA 94K’, - no chassis no. given.

6. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/623/?category=list

HS30 102609

7. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15338/lot/347/

HS30 10755

8. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16248/lot/589/

HS30 01210

9. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15348/lot/664/

 

Sometimes this job makes me feel like I'm a cold case worker.

[gav240z]

Just some more notes about the parts from HS30 00026 and where they went.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/619/?category=list

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/622/

 

Chassis number is supposedly now: HS30 01914 Registration no. LAL 909K and Engine no. L24 071782

[gav240z]

This lovely looking Works Tribute is another I'll have to try and determine it's chassis no. for. Small thumbnail images won't load.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19289/lot/237/?category=list

[24 Dat]

Hi Gav i think Bonhams stuffed up the photos as they even mention they are wrong 

These are of HS30 00026 Registration no. PTD 524K

 

and these are of the 

THE EX-WIN PERCY/CLIVE RICHARDSON/JEREMY WALTON, 6-HOUR RELAY CAR LAL, 1972 DATSUN 240Z COUPÉ

Registration no. LAL 909K Chassis no. HS3001914 Engine no. L24 071782

 

 

 

[gav240z]

2 sets of original Kobe Seiko Magnesium alloy wheels in the wider 'works' style... Oh my indeed...

[HS30-H]

Just some more notes about the parts from HS30 00026 and where they went.

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/619/?category=list

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/12170/lot/622/

 

Chassis number is supposedly now: HS30 01914 Registration no. LAL 909K and Engine no. L24 071782

 

No, I think you are confusing the cars again: 'HS30-01914' / 'LAL 909K' was always 'HS30-01914' / 'LAL 909K'. It had/has nothing to do with 'HS30-00026'.  

[gav240z]

HLS30 00023 built Oct 1969 has 3 holes in the rear stowage box area where the tools go. I've never noticed this subtle difference before.

 

I checked against George's car HS30 00019 and my car HS30 00051 and I believe both only have 2. I'm away for work so can't check HS30 00150 but I believe it's solid?

[HS30-H]

HLS30 00023 built Oct 1969 has 3 holes in the rear stowage box area where the tools go. I've never noticed this subtle difference before.

 

I checked against George's car HS30 00019 and my car HS30 00051 and I believe both only have 2. I'm away for work so can't check HS30 00150 but I believe it's solid?

 

Gav,

That is - I believe - production date-related rather than model variant-related or chassis prefix-related.

 

Early cars (meaning proper *early* production) didn't get the doubler plate on the mini bulkhead behind the seats and butting up to the trans tunnel. It's a notoriously weak area on the bodyshell and that big seam around the rearmost part of the tunnel (the one with all the Dum-Dum on it...) was prone to stress cracking in extreme cases. I think the doubler was added in part to address this, but never really fixed it 100%.

 

This is a perfect topic on which to poll the guys over at classiczcars.com who own proper early production cars. I don't think I've ever seen a definitive answer on the changeover date question, but I believe it may well have been late 1969 or very early 1970. You might like to start a thread over there to get their views.

 

Here's an example of an early 1970 production date car (actually a 432-R bodyshell) with the 'doubler plate' added, for reference:

 

     

[HS30-H]

This is a perfect topic on which to poll the guys over at classiczcars.com who own proper early production cars. I don't think I've ever seen a definitive answer on the changeover date question, but I believe it may well have been late 1969 or very early 1970. You might like to start a thread over there to get their views.

 

Just to add, I wouldn't bother with Facebook on this one. Signal to noise ratio is not the best.