QLD (Amended) Hoon Laws - sucks to be you guys :(

[C.A.R.]

Was posted over at another forum:

http://m.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/crushing-blow-looms-for-queenslands-hooners-20130312-2fynq.html

And:

http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Documents/TableOffice/TabledPapers/2013/5413T2227.pdf

 

Hopefully it won't set a precedent that the other states will follow...  :-\

[pauly_adams]

well up goes the qld road toll, I can assure you if it was me and it was my second offence I would take the chance as im sure many others would, on a side not I would not be a fool to start with and I have all my points still

[dat2kman]

Similar?? In South Australia, this got protested under constitutional law, and the protest got through.

 

So, basically under law this propsed bill could be illegal.

 

No doubt more to come

[d3c0y]

Looks like i need to rent a garage in tweed heads!

[Six_Shooter]

There was a similar law passed here and after a couple of people from the states had their Corvettes seized and crushed, there were court cases, and the Ontario government ended up buying these people replacement cars, and the law revoked.

[gav240z]

What bollocks, I mean it's so open to interpretation as to what constitutes as 'hooning' that more than likely cars will be crushed when the owners don't deserve it. Man Australia can be such a Nanny state at times.

 

I've not once seen a TV report over here on the nuisance that hoons cause on the roads of Ireland. It's not even a factor worth reporting on, never been on the news as far as I remember in the 6 years I've been here. Not to say there is no boy racers, there are plenty I'm sure but the way they go on about it in Australia it's like it's not safe to leave your house for fear of instant death from a car doing doughnuts and ploughing into your house . haha.

 

Meanwhile the number of deaths related to allergic reaction to medication causes far more deaths. Yet there is no public outrage at what Drug Companies are doing to everyone from the A Current Affair crowd!

 

I'm all for stopping young fellas being stupid on the road, but will this really change anything? Probably not.

[zzzzed]

Don't drive lime a dick on the road and it won't happen. But it's not right to crush a car on a second offense.

[nizm0zed]

Don't drive lime a dick on the road and it won't happen. But it's not right to crush a car on a second offense.

 

Like Gav said, its so open to interpretation.

Eg, driving an illegally modified vehicle. the whole 'defecting' system is worded so that the officers 'opinion' is all thats relevant, whether he's right or not, you still get a fine. under some interpretation you could be branded a hoon because mr plod doesnt like something on your car that he thinks isnt right (even if its engineered)

So, for the first offence you have a chance to go to a rego station and get it checked, but the second offence when they impound the car you dont even get that chance. You could potentially lose your car for good due to someone's opinion.

And im sure the 2nd offence of speeding leading to impounding wont apply to you unless you wear a baseball cap/hoodie/younger driver or have bigger wheels/stereo/nice paintjob ect. Otherwise you'd just be a regular person who got done speeding, not hooning.

 

[Six_Shooter]

I should amend my previous post, the crushing of cars has been revoked here, but the Stunting Law is still in place.

 

We have the same problem here, too much is left up to the interpretation of the officer.

 

It has been found that over the time that this "stunting law" has been in effect, that it has not reduced deaths or incidents of violations. This seems to be due to the fact that the people the law is meant to target are not the problem. Most street racers that are involved in organized street racing, are not doing it at 3 in the afternoon through traffic with highly modified cars, like the politicians would like us to believe. The people that are getting into street racing accidents are in bone stock or nearly bone stock vehicles, and decided to run someone at a stop light. I think over the last 8 or 10 years when I've paid attention to the reports, there has been once where a highly modified car has been involved and another had aftermarket wheels, of the tens to hundreds of other reported "street racing" incidents the cars were stock.

 

I'm not supporting street racing, but the way our government has gone about it and how it seems that Australia is proposing does not work.

 

About the only thing the Stunting Law has done is increased high speed chases, and a few people (myself included) keep it under the 50 over posted speed limit. At 50 over they immediately impound the car on the side of the road and leave you there, which has some groups lobbying against the seizure, due to putting the vehicle occupant(s) in danger leaving them there.

 

There's still just as much racing and stunting going on, just done a little more discreetly.

[dat2kman]

How about this for interpretation,,,

 

Young P plater, girl, or guy, with a front drive Car,  with a big sticker on back window, but car is stock, on a uphill at traffic  lights, on change to green, inadvertantly spins wheels on takeoff on the wet road surface.

Officer Prick, deems this as Neg Driving, under Hoon law.

First offence, a fine and 3 points.

Three months later,

Rain again, unfortunate P plater, does it again.

Officer Dickhead, nabs them, it comes up on incar computer," hoon- second offence"

 

Off to the crushers we go

 

Hmmm, farcical, but under this proposal, very true.

[MATTY]

im pretty sure i put up a post a while back in regards to this, more so hoon laws in general effecting car clubs mainly where most simply laughed at the idea of it......

[Agno]

Well the bill passed today. Best of luck QLDers, it will be interesting to see how many people try to getaway from the cops now that it carries the same penalty as doing a burnout or creating too much noise.

[d3c0y]

If i end up getting a strike i guess I will just have to move states :/ Perks of working from home.

 

 

I wonder if it will just get overturned in court like it did in SA when they tried to crush some guy's car?

[benny]

whats funny is trying to evade police has the same penalty as doing a burnout so you may as well try your luck with doing a runner

[d3c0y]

The other cool thing is that they are going back to retrospective violations too. I got caught doing 36kph over (106kph on a back road that was marked as 80  ), so that might count as a type 2 offence already. Oh well, i'm sure there will be plenty before me to test the bounds of the new rules, although now i've got a twin plate clutch maybe it might be sooner rather than latter?

 

 

 

 

[benny]

here is the official statement for those looking

 

 

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2013/4/17/australias-toughest-hooning-laws-passed

[peter t]

What gets me is the boys in blue are never around my area Friday and Saturday afternoon and night when all the hoons are out but come Monday morning they are on the bottom of the hill on the service road catching all the people going to work or Mums taking their kids to school where it is easy to go a bit over 60 due to the slope if you are not carefull. I am sure the ones getting booked are not the ones leaving all the black burnout marks on the road.

[dat2kman]

How about this for interpretation,,,

 

Young P plater, girl, or guy, with a front drive Car,  with a big sticker on back window, but car is stock, on a uphill at traffic  lights, on change to green, inadvertantly spins wheels on takeoff on the wet road surface.

Officer sharp object, deems this as Neg Driving, under Hoon law.

First offence, a fine and 3 points.

Three months later,

Rain again, unfortunate P plater, does it again.

Officer brick head, nabs them, it comes up on incar computer," hoon- second offence"

 

Off to the crushers we go

 

Hmmm, farcical, but under this proposal, very true.

 

Told ya's!

[BobsYourUncle]

That's it, I'm moving to South Australia...

 

I'd imagine there will be a legal challenge to these laws at some point, like down in SA. I think it's a crap law, and I drive like an old woman.

[bullzed]

Q: What is the definition of Hooning? What is a Type 1 Offence?

A: Type 1 offences are defined as offences committed in circumstances involving a speed trial, race or burn out involving:

• Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle;

• Careless driving of a motor vehicle;

• Racing and speed trials on roads;

• Wilfully starting a motor vehicle or driving a motor vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke; or

• Evading police.

 

So in the case a cop want to impound your vehicle for rev matching down changes or pumping the accelerator too hard to start up, it'll carry the same consequences as trying to evade police, except for the fact that you won't have a chance of actually getting away. If it comes down to it, I'd rather run.

[benny]

Q: What is the definition of Hooning? What is a Type 1 Offence?

A: Type 1 offences are defined as offences committed in circumstances involving a speed trial, race or burn out involving:

• Dangerous operation of a motor vehicle;

• Careless driving of a motor vehicle;

• Racing and speed trials on roads;

• Wilfully starting a motor vehicle or driving a motor vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke; or

• Evading police.

 

So in the case a cop want to impound your vehicle for rev matching down changes or pumping the accelerator too hard to start up, it'll carry the same consequences as trying to evade police, except for the fact that you won't have a chance of actually getting away. If it comes down to it, I'd rather run.

 

 

exactly my point... watch the evasion rate go through the roof!!

[nizm0zed]

well, if you have no problems running, im guessing you have no problems not registering or insuring your car? or bothering with a licence?

That also makes it not so bad if your car does get impounded and crushed if its some $500 special.

Surely any sane person can see the compounding issue here...

[.]

My concern is around the following points of the definition:

 

• Careless driving of a motor vehicle;

• Racing and speed trials on roads;

• Wilfully starting a motor vehicle or driving a motor vehicle in a way that makes unnecessary noise or smoke; or

 

There are pleanty of cases where drivers are charged with careless driving just because they were in an accident...(Some police are of the opinion there can't possibly be an accident without careless driving). Ok Racing is fairly cut and dry but speed trials is open to interpretation. So if I go 10 KM over the limit and the officer takes a disliking to me he can claim I was undertaking a "Speed trial". And as for the last point unnecessary noise is open to interpretation as well.

I still think these rules are ambiguous. 

 

 

[d3c0y]

How about all you peeps out there driving around on club rego not on club runs. That means you are one of those who are unregistered! Watch out!

[Zedman240®]

I hope for all those planning on doing the "runner" follow the road rules while trying to out run the police; each and every rule you break will be added to the list! haha