Sirpent Posted October 7, 2011 Author Posted October 7, 2011 Jamo The answer to all of your questions start from around page 32 of this thread, if you enjoy reading and having a laugh then read on. Short answer is the C32 never came out as a manual, they didn't have a box to do the job, to run the auto I would have to run all the passive and active safety gear otherwise the trans and engine ecm;s would just shift into limp mode, so I decided what the heck, go 6 speed manual and run a MoTeC. The M86 diff is a sweet fit, easy to service replace etc, by the time I found an R200 LSD I wouldn't have been any better off, therefore the reason, and I have done a lot of design and engineering work to revise the entire rear suspension and moustache set up, do yourself a favour an get a headache at the same time and have a read of the previous pages and attachment. Cheers John Congrats on the new job John, so you weren't interested in going back to panel beating? LOL, I am well past it buddy, and to be honest I have lost half the skills I once had, plus this pays a bit more which will help with the budget the car needs Quote
jamo240 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Hey John Thanks for the tip on the thread, and yes, I'll go back a few chapters to understand it better! All sounds good, and I sure hope it works out great. I do have a competition GTR LSD centre I don't need if you decide you want to stay with an R200....I'm gonna offload it soon anyway...I got it when I was working at Gibsons, but never used it, so it's brand new. Cheers Jamo Quote
Sirpent Posted October 7, 2011 Author Posted October 7, 2011 Thanks for the offer but its all good, already have the M86, and I think you will warm to it after you have a read. Cheers John Quote
lightmaster240z Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 John I am over the moon that you have got the Job you were talking about. This must be a Big releave to both you and your wife. I look forward to talk in the flesh. Bruce Quote
jamo240 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Hey John. WOW!!! I got up to page 35 and started to feel your pain. Kato's advice is gold too. Ummmmm......i know you've gone through hell to get the Benz engine out here and all. But, would it be easier to sell that fine thing and put a Nissan V8 or turbo V6 in it? Something where you can buy an engine/trans package that doesn't require you to re-engineer absolutely everything? I just worry that you'll spend a bomb getting it to run and all, but be disappointed with the outcome. V6's are notorious for transmission integration, and you'll be aware that the T56's are a strong but fairly agricultural bit of kit. You might find it ends up being a bit of a clonky outfit....I was in Holden engineering when the T56 and Getrag boxes were introduced, and the engineers tore their hair out trying to get them to a commercially acceptable level of refinement. The V6's needed dual mass flywheels and stacks of shifter isolation, which ended up resulting in a slushy feel. A T56 behind the V6 would have chipped your teeth and made your hand go numb. Now a Benz V6 is a country mile away from a Buick, but you will confront some substantial integration challenges. Car mods can be like stock holdings.....we tend to want to believe what we've bought is a good prospect, and we can sometimes stay with it longer than providence allows...... If you're wed to the Benz, then no problem, and I'm happy to throw my weight in with the other guys on here to help you get it sorted, but just thought I should call it as I see it given I didn't join the party until page 46. Cheers Jamo Quote
Sirpent Posted October 7, 2011 Author Posted October 7, 2011 John I am over the moon that you have got the Job you were talking about. This must be a Big releave to both you and your wife. I look forward to talk in the flesh. Bruce Bruce You're gold mate, one of the ppl who was always there and lending a sympathetic ear, I owe you a beer and in the coming month or so I will be having a BBQ at my place to celebrate and have a bit of a chin wag over how to put all the pieces of the build together so there will be a couple of beers waiting for you. On that note, Id like to fling the door open to members on the forum who can attend, it will probably be mid November at this stage as I was told today I have to do an Australia wide tour to meet all the staff in my new position, we can call it an informal club BBQ, I will post up some dates in the coming weeks, it will be held in Maribyrnong around 15 minutes out of the CBD. Jamo, I realise that this may not be the best overall combo, that said however, I have been able to track down the components I will need to make it a viable proposition, I will be using the Benz auto bell housing, and it just so happens that the clutch kit required to blend it all together so that it suits the T56 input shaft and Benz flywheel dimensions that the housing dictates will be an EVO4 set up, same input shaft size and splines. I don't expect this car to drive like a refined piece of 2011 kit, it will be nice to have some of that rough sporting feel of its 70's heritage, and to top it all off, based on the Zed's drag coefficient the gearing of the box and diff etc, this thing should be interesting by the mere fact that it will accelerate hard, do the quarter in around a 11.5 to 12 and have a top end somewhere around 325 not that I ever expect to take it that far. Why do I want to go through all this? because I can and it will be a unique beast just like Kato's M3 powered beast, what the hell, you only live once. Quote
jamo240 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Fair enough John.....that's as good a reason as any. Let me know if I can help in any way as you get into it. Cheers Jamo Quote
MaygZ Posted October 8, 2011 Posted October 8, 2011 Short answer is the C32 never came out as a manual, they didn't have a box to do the job, to run the auto I would ..... Be GAY!!!!! Congrats on the job buddy. MaygZ Quote
Sirpent Posted October 8, 2011 Author Posted October 8, 2011 Be GAY!!!!! Congrats on the job buddy. MaygZ Words of wisdom I guess.................. Coming from the man who has this as his motto pasted at the bottom of his profile "Zeds are more fun than women!! You know I'm right, but you're too scared to admit it!!" Thanks mate Quote
Brabham Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 I don't expect this car to drive like a refined piece of 2011 kit, it will be nice to have some of that rough sporting feel of its 70's heritage, and to top it all off, based on the Zed's drag coefficient the gearing of the box and diff etc, this thing should be interesting by the mere fact that it will accelerate hard, do the quarter in around a 11.5 to 12 and have a top end somewhere around 325 not that I ever expect to take it that far. Hey John, what was the zed's drag coefficient out of interest? You should also take it to the salt and see if you have a 200MPH zed once finished, someone needs to beat 200MPH in a zed and you and Loui will have the power to do it. I am relying upon you! Cheers. Quote
Sirpent Posted October 10, 2011 Author Posted October 10, 2011 Buddy CD is .42, and that's a far cry from what we would all like, for instance an old 280ZX comes in at .38, an 83 300zx and the more current 350Z and 370Z are all line ball at .30 But the S30 isn't alone in the .4+ region, a Lambo Contach comes in also at .42 and a Dodge Viper at .45. And if you think a Porsche 997 is slippery think again, it comes in at .31 while an AU Falcon comes in at .295 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I picked up the S30 coefficient off Hybrid Z, but if you want to compare apples with pears check out this link, has a whole host of old school and later vehicles. Cheers John http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient P.S. Cracking 200mph, well these are the figures I was able to come up with based on the ratio's etc, remember that a coefficient does not alter mechanical ability, or in other words the interaction of the engine box and diff, these are perpetual, what the coefficient does however is create force to halt the motors torque to turn all the cogs, like pushing up against an elephant, therefore if the car was put in a vacuum with no resistance the speeds calculated would theoretically be possible, The T56 M86 combination is not that far off what the original C32 sedan had, and with only a 5 speed auto it was factory limited at 300kph. RPM 5900 1st - 74 2nd - 108 3rd - 156 4th - 223 5th - 266 6th - 391 As far as taking it to 200mph, well maybe not me but if there was someone with enough steel to try I may consider handing over the keys LOL Quote
luvemfast Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 If the car was put in a vacuum with no resistance the speeds calculated would theoretically be possible The vacuum in your mind? You should have a crack at breaking 200mph on the salt flats mate. Think of the bragging rights Quote
Sirpent Posted October 10, 2011 Author Posted October 10, 2011 Simon are you that man of steel? And whats the big deal about a Zed cracking 200mph? hasn't it been done or am I missing something? Quote
Johnboy Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Simon are you that man of steel? And whats the big deal about a Zed cracking 200mph? hasn't it been done or am I missing something? you can do it!! some info i found. In Sept. of 2010 Buton Brown driving his Datsun 240Z regained top honors in the F/GT class by tripping the timing clocks for a two way average of 172.974 mph http://zhome.com/History/BonnevilleZ.htm and the video link http://www.rebelloracing.com/index.htm I just looking forward to seeing such a unique car on the road. John Quote
Sirpent Posted October 10, 2011 Author Posted October 10, 2011 Sorry John But it wouldnt mean anything as the class rules state "GT" Class rules require stock bodies as produced and sold by the manufacturer's dealers. "F" Class is for cars with engines displacing 123.00 cid {2016cc} to 183.00 cid {3000cc} displacement" Mine will be 3200cc Quote
Johnboy Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 yeh bloody Rules.. BUT if you did you would most proberly be one of the first to go that fast. and it would mean YOU made a 200mph Zed!! John Quote
peter mc Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 hahahah i did 200mph in a zed more than one time lol it can be done been there done that but u have to be brave as the front comes of the grand ,,, and its not fun when you don't have steering at over 180 mph or brake traction at 260kph as u hit the nos button with 250 extra hp lolollolhahahahah o they were fun times Quote
NZeder Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 hahahah i did 200mph in a zed more than one time lol it can be done been there done that but u have to be brave as the front comes of the grand ,,, and its not fun when you don't have steering at over 180 mph or brake traction at 260kph as u hit the nos button with 250 extra hp lolollolhahahahah o they were fun times Getting off topic from John thread.....but you sure about that? must have been longer than a 1/4 mile?.....well if it was not Nissan powered then for sure it possible but Robbie Ward of R.I.P.S in NZ has/had the faster 240z with Nissan power - the world record holding RB30DET powered 240z at 7.8s 1/4 and 177MPH - some 1000HP on tap. Quote
peter mc Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 not on the 1/4 FJ20t 400kw no gas 500kw with 3.7 diff .7 topgear 980kg was one fast top end car Quote
NZeder Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 not on the 1/4 FJ20t 400kw no gas 500kw with 3.7 diff .7 topgear 980kg was one fast top end car That explains it then as you were nothing to see here - back on topic Quote
Brabham Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 What speed did you hit Peter? Sorry for going off topic.. Quote
peter mc Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 well ...il let john do the math 17 in wheel 225 50 tire 9000 rpm in top .76 overdrive 3.7 diff mmm and ill drive it for you mate no problem lol Quote
Sirpent Posted October 11, 2011 Author Posted October 11, 2011 OK Plugged all the ratio's in along with the tire size etc and this is what it spat out. At 9000 rpm in top gear it would have been hitting 248.2927924 MPH or 397 KPH Quote
peter mc Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 mmmm thats about right 230 mhp ,,,,, i was of my meds back then did not wont to live long had some problems ...lol Quote
Sirpent Posted October 12, 2011 Author Posted October 12, 2011 Back on topic guys. MONUMENTAL day for me today, happy to advise my new toys arrived !!!!!!!!!!!!! Mother and child doing well and together now. Cheers John Quote
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