Patina

[Ledge]

HI All

As we all would have seen for a while the old buggered

paint look or "patina" is really popular.

I actually think it looks great and will at some point

do it to something.

 

What do you guys think

 

Cheers

Paul

[PZG302]

Paul, just leave it for a while and your Z will naturally have this patina.

 

Mine did after one race meeting, with stone chips, rubber and a couple of scuffs, including losing the front bar.

 

The you have all these genuine stories to tell about each battle scar, not "well I paid the painter to make it look like that......"

 

 

[bullzed]

I agree with Matt, I'm lucky enough to have a non-rusted but horribly weathered Z, adds character. Better than a planned paint job!

[Six_Shooter]

I think when people try to make a car look rusty or have "patina" they are trying to hard just fit into some trend.

 

My car has plenty of "patina" as some would say, I call it rust, and faded paint.

 

It's one thing to drive a car that has naturally faded, or gained some rust, it's another to try and emulate that look.

 

It seems like this trend of "Patina" and the related "Rat Rods" are only trends, because people either couldn't afford to finish their cars, or had ADD and don't want to spend the time finishing them.

 

Look at the VW scene, at least over here, there is a trend where they take their hood, their hood only sand all the paint off and let it rust. What? Why? It looks like shit, it looks like something happened to their hood, so they replaced it with the only hood they could find at the wreckers, and didn't paint it.

[thriller]

^ Agreed. More often than not it screams out 'cheap'.

 

I saw an EG civic with a rusty hood and horribly fitting chrome wheels at my work carpark the other night. Not nice.

 

IMO it's pretty hard to get right. Mike Burrough's old E28 bmw springs to mind. Can't really explain why. But none of those S30's do it for me; don't like when they're that low.

[Agno]

Personally I really dig it:

 

 

... But I would NEVER do that to my car willingly. It's one thing to find an original "barn find" in that sort of condition, completely another thing to screw over a perfectly good car.

 

Edit/qualifying statement: I love slammed cars with low offset wheels as much as the next guy (should have seen what my old R31 looked like!), but this style of car is a current trend and with the exception of genuine rat rods will go out of style. A good looking, clean and well presented car is always timeless.

[gav240z]

I'm not a fan of trying to emulate it, it has to come from genuine neglect I think.

 

Looks POX on this FD rx-7

[Six_Shooter]

Personally I really dig it:

 

 

The best thing that happened to that car was it died in a fire.

 

The owner did horrible things to it, in very hap hazard ways.

 

It was a decent car when he started, just needed a few things to make it proper, instead he butchered it, and was applauded for it. I don't know why. Anyone I know would look at it and call it a piece of junk, because of the execution.

 

I don't care for the RX-7 car AT ALL, because the "patina" is obviously not from typical aging or road rash (the oldest FD is only 20 years old, 1992), there's no way ALL of the paint would have flaked or fallen off. That being said, I love this picture:

 

 

I would love to have seen video of them shooting that picture.

[gav240z]

I think it's photoshopped to look like it's moving... certainly doesn't look safe

[benny]

there is a back story on the RX7... something along the lines of it was in mint condition... he then put it into a wall, he thought that it would never be the same so left it rust and sticker bombed it.

[Agno]

The rusty BMW was MINT when Mike Burroughs bought it. It was written off when a friend of his hit a truck in it and destroyed the a pillar

[Six_Shooter]

there is a back story on the RX7... something along the lines of it was in mint condition... he then put it into a wall, he thought that it would never be the same so left it rust and sticker bombed it.

 

So the wall also scraped the paint off the other fenders and roof?

 

I stick to my previous statement of trying to hard.

 

As for that BMW, IIRC the A pillar was not THAT bad, and what he did was a horrible horrible thing to do to any car.

[benny]

So the wall also scraped the paint off the other fenders and roof?

 

I stick to my previous statement of trying to hard.

 

As for that BMW, IIRC the A pillar was not THAT bad, and what he did was a horrible horrible thing to do to any car.

 

 

obviously not...

 

 

here is the article

 

 

Ross Juniper's rat Mazda RX7

 

Anyone who likes their rotaries will be familiar with the name Dragon Performance. Renowned rotary tuning modified Mazda specialist Ross Juniper is famous the world over for putting his drag racing skills to the test and piloting his matte black RX-7 rocket down the 1/4 mile to a record breaking 9.1sec @ 158mph. But where's the fun in spending your life driving in a straight line?

 

After importing this FD3 with a blown engine to break it down for spares, Ross was getting a twitchy right foot and an itchy handbrake hand. Having already prepared RX-7s for drift competition, he decided it was about time he got his own tyres scrubbed and set about building a plaything to throw around on track and use as a test car for development of drifting upgrades.

 

The problem with the RX-7 is that it’s actually too good at being a fast road/track car. The 1300cc rotary lump sits behind the front wheels, technically making the Mazda mid-engined, neutrally balanced and extremely planted – not ideal for getting sideways in a hurry! To be able to drift such a machine takes skill, commitment and blatant disregard for your personal safety. Although 500bhp at the end of the gas pedal and trick drift geometry allowing you to break traction at will also helps!

 

It’s not without some surprise that the inevitable ‘crashu’ happened; an altercation with a barrier at Castle Combe left the shiny black FD3 with a gash along the rear arch and Ross with a very secondhand looking drift car. Putting his woes behind him, Ross headed off to the Run To The Sun event in Newquay. It was here that fate would introduce him to the infamous Rat Look styling craze, while large quantities of alcohol would convince him it was good idea to take an angle grinder to the FD3 upon his return to the workshop. Unfortunately, due to the surprisingly good build quality of the Mazda, the bodywork took longer to rust than expected, thanks in no small part to a sturdy galvanised finish beneath the primer. Once mother nature had taken hold and the oxidation process began to engulf the exposed areas of the body, the welded up gash sustained at Castle Combe blended seamlessly into a sea of drift scars that were rapidly accumulating on every panel of the RX-7.

 

A well used drift car should never be pretty – it’s just not in the nature of the sport – just as a sense of humour is not in the nature of all RX-7 enthusiasts. Some comments about the ratted rotary were less than complimentary as news of his latest creation travelled around the world. The local constabulary were also less than impressed when Ross displayed his new found drifting abilities on the way home one night.

 

An unmarked police car followed him onto a roundabout where [edited for legal reasons] he broke traction and while smoking the rear tyres, managed to direct the sliding car around the roundabout before regaining full control and driving off safely. Refusing to see Ross as some kind of hero of crash avoidance, they painted his skills in a much less favourable light. Needless to say, they threw the book at him.

 

Three court appearances later, a prohibition notice genuinely forces this car off the road before 8.30pm, keeping the nice people of Devon safe from this firebreathing monster.

 

http://www.fastcar.co.uk/2011/02/10/rat-mazda-rx7

[Six_Shooter]

To quote the article:

 

an altercation with a barrier at Castle Combe left the shiny black FD3 with a gash along the rear arch

 

So how did the rest of the paint "fall off?"

 

Oh wait, it didn't, he took a sander to it, and removed it, which falls into my category of "trying to hard."

 

Again I cite the article:

 

hile large quantities of alcohol would convince him it was good idea to take an angle grinder to the FD3 upon his return to the workshop.

 

It's just another car, where the owner doesn't want to actually fix the body work, and decided instead of covering up the pone bad area, or even making that panel removable (like on a stock bodied dirt car), he decided to try and make it look like it was on purpose by rusting the rest of the body.

 

I guess he hasn't heard of the piss and vinegar treatment to get the metal to rust quicker, eh? lol

 

Unfortunately, due to the surprisingly good build quality of the Mazda, the bodywork took longer to rust than expected, thanks in no small part to a sturdy galvanised finish beneath the primer.

[peter t]

AND YOU GUYS DONT LIKE MY WING. Sorry for shouting. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[Agno]

So the wall also scraped the paint off the other fenders and roof?

 

I stick to my previous statement of trying to hard.

 

As for that BMW, IIRC the A pillar was not THAT bad, and what he did was a horrible horrible thing to do to any car.

The BMW was written off i.e. cost more to fix than it was worth. Think of it more as a moving sculpture or some form of art/self expression and everything is good in the world once more.

 

The RX7 was bought to be stripped. Would you be as angry if he just broke down the car into bits instead?

[be-zed]

Love the wing Peter .Does a car covered in saw dust fall into this category?

[Ledge]

I agree those guys that take the car back to steel

and let the whole panel rust are trying to hard,

That RX is horrid, As was said it is to modern of a car to look

any good like that.

 

I think the main problem i have with the look is are these guys

leaving structural defects in the car for the sake of the old look.

 

As i said i like the look but i would be more along the lines of making the car

bullet straight, all rust repaired then lay on a few layers of different coloured

base coat, maybe even a race dot and number and some period advertising

all in base coat then some carefully thought out rubbing on all the high ware

areas and sun damage areas then some satin clear.

Sort of make it look like a barn find race car from what ever period the

project car is from.

 

Cheers

Paul

[saxon]

it looks awesome and takes huge balls to do

[Stivva]

I am a fan. Big fan of most car fads and trends etc.

I like anything different as long its keeps evolving.

The only thing I hate is when trends are stale. Like Commodores with tucked 20" wheels.

 

The busted paint looks great, but it can ruin the body after a while.

[Six_Shooter]

The BMW was written off i.e. cost more to fix than it was worth. Think of it more as a moving sculpture or some form of art/self expression and everything is good in the world once more.

 

The RX7 was bought to be stripped. Would you be as angry if he just broke down the car into bits instead?

 

Being "written off" is simply a calculation by an insurance adjuster. IIRC he fixed it, mostly, then started driving the car, the damage really was not that bad.

What he did to the car in the following months to make it look like it did in the picture in this thread is the real appalling part, unsafe, and thrown together, and he was applauded for it. If someone did that to a Honda Civic, or some other common, less expensive car, they would be crucified for the, ahem, "quality" of work he did to that BMW.

 

Who is angry? I just find this "trend" lacking any real direction or thought in a good looking final product.

 

The worst of this trend are people with fibreglass and plastic cars that make them look rusty.

 

There is nothing "different" or "new" or "individual" or "interesting" about making your car look rusty, or making it actually rusty, and planning to leave it that way.

 

It's one thing, where someone has a project car that they are working on that is rusty, and has flaking or worn off paint, that's cool, but to take an otherwise nice or perfect car and make it look that way, that is trying to hard to fit into a current trend.

[d3c0y]

Haha good one Peter

[24 Dat]

AND YOU GUYS DONT LIKE MY WING. Sorry for shouting. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

fomclmho  rite on peter t