24 Dat Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 There has been quite a bit in the media lately about asbestos in older cars. As far as i know S30's only might have had asbestos in there early brake pads and drum shoes, as well as possible clutch pad material. Possibly the worst is the insulation wrap around the fuel lines next to the rocket cover on S30's, i have added a old photo of a fuel rail with this wrap. Apart from those areas are there any other places which might have had asbestos in our S30's or S130's Cheers Dave gav240z 1 Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted March 22, 2018 Administrators Posted March 22, 2018 Good topic, I'd also like to know, but outside of your mentioned parts I don't know of any? The fuel line wrap seems to be something added by dealers and on 260z's. Never seen them on 240z's. Quote
24 Dat Posted March 22, 2018 Author Posted March 22, 2018 The fuel line wrap seems to be something added by dealers and on 260z's. Never seen them on 240z's. Not sure about 240's but every car i have seen this wrap on, all was identical with the white cable ties and wrapped exactly the same way. i had a early 74 light weight 260Z which had it on as well as a 76 260Z Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted March 22, 2018 Administrators Posted March 22, 2018 Gaskets! Some gaskets had Asbestos in them, only a problem if you decided to grind them up and have dust fly everywhere! Quote
gilltech Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I think the 260Z fuel line wrap was possibly an Aus spec fitment for very hot climes, we didn't have it on our NZ-new cars, such as my early '74, from what I can recall. I do remember seeing it on used imports though. Asbestos was used in many hundreds of products, household, building, automotive, machinery, the list goes on and on. All this asbestos content issue came up quite some months back on the Mustang forum with someone bringing in a couple of cars from the USA and being made to have them dismantled at the port of entry by suitably approved persons in an approved facility for inspection and testing. An expensive exercise. The asbestos content in imported building products has also been to the fore with all the attendant dramas that has caused. Importation of products containing asbestos into Australia is illegal. Quote
Crikey Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I used to own a brake business, and I think it was in about 2003 or 2004 that they banned the sale and fitterment of Asbestos brake pads. I still saw asbestos brake shoes and pads being sold after this time. Even without asbestos brake dust is not good for your health so better not to breath it. gav240z 1 Quote
AndBir Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 Mighty Car Mods had some issues getting their Fairlady into Aus from Japan due to possible asbestos : http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/11464-must-watch-automotive-program-thread/page-11?do=findComment&comment=202455 Quote
Andrew_L26 Posted March 22, 2018 Posted March 22, 2018 I had the asbestos wrapping around the fuel lines on my 77 260z, I think it was to help prevent vapour locking? Quote
dat2kman Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 They'll have had you believing it was a wonderfull product. Quote
blu260z Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 It is a wonderful product.... just dont go anywhere near the dust. Asbestos is fire resident, has very good thermal properties and doesnt rot or rust like timber or steel. Like with everthing we breathe in it has its dangers. gav240z 1 Quote
260DET Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 But does anyone know for sure that the wrapping around the fuel lines contains asbestos? It seemed to be more of a glass fibre material to me. Quote
Rickers Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 But does anyone know for sure that the wrapping around the fuel lines contains asbestos? It seemed to be more of a glass fibre material to me. Give it a sniff and let us know. 260DET 1 Quote
gilltech Posted March 25, 2018 Posted March 25, 2018 But does anyone know for sure that the wrapping around the fuel lines contains asbestos? It seemed to be more of a glass fibre material to me It does look like a fibreglass material for the most part. One would have to have it tested, there's no Mk.1 eyeball test for presence of asbestos. I've always wondered what was used in flameproof racing suits, and electric blankets..... similar looking material. Quote
Cozza Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 Nomex is the constituent in current race suits I think. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomex Quote
gilltech Posted March 26, 2018 Posted March 26, 2018 Yes, but I meant back in the day. Various woven materials which contained asbestos fibre were used for heat insulation to all manner of things. My comment about electric blanket material comes about after watching 'The World's Fastest Indian' wherein Anthony Hopkins as Burt Munroe cuts one up and wraps a piece around his ankle to try and mitigate exhaust burn. Quote
24 Dat Posted March 27, 2018 Author Posted March 27, 2018 But does anyone know for sure that the wrapping around the fuel lines contains asbestos? It seemed to be more of a glass fibre material to me. WG a long time ZCCQ member told me years ago to be careful of that wrap and said that it was made of asbestos, i took it for granted as he was in the building and construction game for a very long time. Quote
gilltech Posted March 27, 2018 Posted March 27, 2018 I read an article online recently which quoted a chap in the USA who sources Mustangs, Shelbys etc for clients here in Aus. He is instrumental in checking cars for asbestos at the USA end now, prior to shipping anything downunder, and while 50% of the brake linings will contain asbestos he says all of the underbody sound deadening stuff does, the latter being rock-hard by this time and extremely difficult to remove. Anyone or any organisation importing asbestos containing products into Australia risks very heavy fines. So if anyone here is looking to import a left-hook Zed from the USA for instance you'd be well advised to have your intended purchase checked, corrected if required and certified 'clean' with approved Australian border control paperwork by an approved handler before even thinking about shipping it downunder. gav240z 1 Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted March 28, 2018 Administrators Posted March 28, 2018 Yep, sounds like another reason for local models to fetch more coin now too! Given the hassle around importation, who would want it? Unless of course a car has been fully restored and is completely clean. Example: https://www.facebook.com/datsun.club.3/ However I'm wondering if this undercoating stuff on Mustang's is the result of factory applied coatings or dealer added / aftermarket coatings applied later by customers/owners? The other thing is, if you're importing engines (where gaskets like headgaskets could contain asbestos) that sounds risky.. Brakes like MK63s in used condition? Hmmm... It all sounds too hard basket. Quote
gilltech Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 Doesn't matter if a car is 'original' or restored - in the case of the latter it is still likely to be examined, particularly if the car is a bigger $$$ item and has to have been restored using NOS components. Car factories would spray sound deadeners inside body shells and panels to mitigate on-road resonance. As for underseal, it was often a dealer added service. My dad would always have his new Holden undersealed before he took delivery. Spray-on bituminous products containing amounts of solvents and who-knows-what bulking fillers. Quote
260DET Posted March 28, 2018 Posted March 28, 2018 WG a long time ZCCQ member told me years ago to be careful of that wrap and said that it was made of asbestos, i took it for granted as he was in the building and construction game for a very long time. I don't know how you tell either way but why take the risk, it's easy enough to remove and dispose of isn't it. That underbody sealant may be more of a worry but I guess it would need chemical testing to tell. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted July 23, 2018 Administrators Posted July 23, 2018 On 3/26/2018 at 8:06 AM, 260DET said: But does anyone know for sure that the wrapping around the fuel lines contains asbestos? It seemed to be more of a glass fibre material to me. Yes Nissan knows and stated as such in their literature. See image attached. Quote
260DET Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 So there were two types, one with asbestos and one without. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted July 23, 2018 Administrators Posted July 23, 2018 6 hours ago, 260DET said: So there were two types, one with asbestos and one without. I forgot to link to the thread. https://www.classiczcars.com/forums/topic/60309-were-bringin-back-the-flat-tops/?do=findComment&comment=553659 But if you're looking for a similar OEM look, without the health issues... Thermo -Tec express sleeves---it looks very nearly the same, performs the same and is non-asbestos based. It can be had in various diameters and lengths, suitable for the fuel rail and fuel line hoses. https://www.amazon.com/Thermo-Tec-14035-I-D-Express-Sleeve/dp/B003HIPBJM/ref=pd_sim_263_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B003HIPBJM&pd_rd_r=c017de25-8c72-11e8-9961-e7c4ac9dd126&pd_rd_w=Zb0e8&pd_rd_wg=G67Pc&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=2610440344683357453&pf_rd_r=B9FTZ64ZPGDMXF4Y3FMK&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=B9FTZ64ZPGDMXF4Y3FMK Quote
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