Mr260z Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 I'm just curious why I don't see more Zeds or Datsun of any type at the general car shows going around I've been to 5 shows recently and I've always been the only Zed and no more than 2 other Datsuns! Are our cars that rare? There is at least 500 cars at these shows and there not all fords and Holden's Are most Zed drivers not interested in displaying there cars? Seems to be a large amount of Datsun enthusiasts around Quote
Agno Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 A significant amount of Datsun owners unfortunately (or fortunately) get bitten by the restoration bug - meaning a massive group of people have automatically barred themselves from showing up to events by having their car in too many pieces! Personally unless its one of the big ones I'm not a fan of displaying my car at shows. The weekend early morning wake up and the hours of lingering can be tedious. Quote
Mr260z Posted October 22, 2014 Author Posted October 22, 2014 The shows I'm referring to are relatively local and come and go as you please. Really just an excuse to take the zed out for a spin and spend an hour or so checking out some nice cars and talking to enthusiasts. Quote
CroS13 Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 My theory is as follows: The majority of said classic car/muscle car owners that drive to the cafe/dinner local shows are baby boomers. Baby boomers have the mentality of "Datsuns" as garbage, as they grew up with their torana's and faclon GT's and movies like running on empty. Its our newer generation, and gen Y, thats starting to get into the Datsuns, as for most, they were OUR first cars, which were usually rust bucket $500 throw aways, now we are reaching our mid 30's etc we are in a time in our lives when we can afford to buy these cars and restore them. The majority of kids these days cant afford our Datsuns as they are going up in price, that and top it off with they are too much work. Today's YOLO Flatbrim, Hardparked and "Stanced" kids dont have the dedication/skills/knowledge or patience to restore a car properly. To them its all about getting the twitter likes and instegram follows, if they do buy a classic car, they dont fix the rust, they slam it on stupid wheels fit a JDM YO! sticker on it and all the other retards think its the best thing since sliced bread. i know ive gone off on another tangent here.....but you get the idea.... Rudolf. Quote
d3c0y Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 I liked going to JDM ST meets before it all blew up into the big down shift rocklea meets, where the cops sit out on the road and wait to defect you. Lucky for me I didnt have to choose because as stated above I pulled my car apart. In saying that i prefer the more underground night time meet in a car park type. We used to organise a group of about 5 - 6 zeds to go to those meets together. I went to a couple of 7s club meets in the day too. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted October 22, 2014 Administrators Posted October 22, 2014 The majority of kids these days cant afford our Datsuns as they are going up in price, that and top it off with they are too much work. Today's YOLO Flatbrim, Hardparked and "Stanced" kids dont have the dedication/skills/knowledge or patience to restore a car properly. To them its all about getting the twitter likes and instegram follows, if they do buy a classic car, they dont fix the rust, they slam it on stupid wheels fit a JDM YO! sticker on it and all the other retards think its the best thing since sliced bread. i know ive gone off on another tangent here.....but you get the idea.... Rudolf. You realise your just getting old right? haha... Those damn kids! But I do agree, sorta, maybe, definitely maybe. actually I'm not sure...anymore...so confused.... Quote
Mr260z Posted October 22, 2014 Author Posted October 22, 2014 The events I've been going to have all been very family friendly with a great mix of cars and I've had a lot of great comments about my zed ( it's definately not the best Zed going around ) Sounds like a lot of excuses to me from people who just don't want to go to car shows. Quote
d3c0y Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 It's easier to fish for compliments on the internet? Quote
Stivva Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 The majority of kids these days cant afford our Datsuns as they are going up in price, that and top it off with they are too much work. Today's YOLO Flatbrim, Hardparked and "Stanced" kids dont have the dedication/skills/knowledge or patience to restore a car properly. To them its all about getting the twitter likes and instegram follows, if they do buy a classic car, they dont fix the rust, they slam it on stupid wheels fit a JDM YO! sticker on it and all the other retards think its the best thing since sliced bread. Everything in this paragraph bah the restoration describes me and I dislike and disagree with your comment. I type this whilst wearing my flatbrim and after spending another 2500 bux on rust and paint. Quote
be-zed Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I am the first to admit. I am not sure how notice of car shows is circulated down South or out West. But the ZCCQ does get notices of these upcoming QLD events . The problem is it comes only a few days out from the event. It seems we are a last minute thought by the organizers . But us babyboomers need a little more notice than that, just to get out of bed. So as display days go , we concentrate on known event dates . Like the Jap shows held by the Mazda boys up here in February (classic) and June (all Jap) at Banyo. The next one for us will be on 23 November at Lakeside Raceway and is just a local lunch club thing with track time. Then in February 2015 and then the Nissan Datsun Nationals in Warwick at Easter 2015 Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted October 23, 2014 Administrators Posted October 23, 2014 A significant amount of Datsun owners unfortunately (or fortunately) get bitten by the restoration bug - meaning a massive group of people have automatically barred themselves from showing up to events by having their car in too many pieces! Personally unless its one of the big ones I'm not a fan of displaying my car at shows. The weekend early morning wake up and the hours of lingering can be tedious. I agree with the restoration bug aspect of it. Or they don't take them out in the rain haha. I'm kinda with you mate, getting up early on a weekend so a car can sit still for half the day isn't that much fun. I'd prefer to be going for a drive in it somewhere. I like going to a car show and seeing different cars on display but all the prep work leading up to the day is a bit tedious. I don't mind a couple of shows in a year but I wouldn't be interested in attending more than say 2-3 a year - I might change my mind when I've finished the Gold car though... The shows I'm referring to are relatively local and come and go as you please. Really just an excuse to take the zed out for a spin and spend an hour or so checking out some nice cars and talking to enthusiasts. I find a lot of the car shows are not that interesting to me, if it's something relevant and on topic like the recent Cars and Coffee in Victoria. http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,14791.0.html I'd be more interested in those types of events, because they have more Classic Japanese Cars. I'm just not as interested in the Euro / US / AU cars - not being a snob as I do like certain cars in amongst those groups, but they just don't interest me (keyword there is ME) personally on the same level as the older Japanese stuff. But the ZCCQ does get notices of these upcoming QLD events . The problem is it comes only a few days out from the event. It seems we are a last minute thought by the organizers . But us babyboomers need a little more notice than that, just to get out of bed. Not just you, I get letters from time to time via the old email telling me about an event a week or so away. I think so long as there is notice and interest in the event you'll get people going down to show up. Of course winter months can be a little more difficult (especially in Mexico - where it rains more ;P) but even in Sydney we only had a few show up with overcast clouds etc.. It also helps to have a semi-regular or be consistent with the events so people can sort of mentally prepare for them. I think that is why the Christmas BBQ is so successful in Victoria. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted October 23, 2014 Administrators Posted October 23, 2014 I type this whilst wearing my flatbrim and after spending yet another 2500 bux on rust and paint. It better look like this! http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Yolo-flat-brimmed-hat-hip-hop-flat-brim-baseball-cap-hiphop-cap-adjust-hat-hats-cap/1349362733.html PS: If you're a baby boomer and confused by YOLO it stands for You Only Live Once - and I didn't know this myself until recently. Bloody hipsters. Quote
d3c0y Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Everything in this paragraph bah the restoration describes me and I dislike and disagree with your comment. I type this whilst wearing my flatbrim and after spending another 2500 bux on rust and paint. I wear a flatbrim too and I vote. There are a lot of generalisations in CroS13's post but i get what he is saying in parts. I have no time for beaten up drift missiles, couldn't care less for them and i think that is what he is referring to as the YOLO and dare i say pretty bogan crowd now associated with drifting and imports. What I think most people fail to realise is that all the cars they see pics of on the net that they lust after are heavily set up to have the right stance. It's part of making a car look really good and doing it properly is a super hard and expensive thing to do. So when people like myself and Stivva see people bashing stance we take offence, however i think what they are really referring to is slammed cars with -40 camber to fit retarded wheels that don't fit under the guards which is a totally different thing and has it's own following and name. If we are going to throw stereo types out there what about the crusty old demographic that sit in arm chairs with their stock, half restored, very slightly modified with a set of headers and 240z carbs, small 15" wheeled car (that sit way inside the guards) with the height of a 4x4 off-roader??? That oughtta fire up some comments!!! Quote
CroS13 Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Everything in this paragraph bah the restoration describes me and I dislike and disagree with your comment. I type this whilst wearing my flatbrim and after spending another 2500 bux on rust and paint. Don't get me wrong, because i LOVE your car, and i plan to run flares and pumped out tyres on my bus when its finally complete too. Your car is "phat" yet still functional, its doesn't scrape on a leaf as you drive down the road, it doesn't have ridiculous camber. And you do all the work properly, you don't cut corners with your build and that's what i like. There is a difference between your car and the many i have seen, local (and im not targeting only zeds, but many older jap imports) where they neglect to fix the rust, they only wish to slam it and run the widest wheels they can stuff under their guards. They don't have the passion that we have, the love that comes with actually restoring a car, bringing it back to life better than it was when it left the show room. To finish and say "look what i created with my two hands" To these new generation of kids, i feel their car is just a accessory, who cares how it handles, or how safe it is, or that its riddled with rust, as long as it looks good. Here is what really ruffles my feathers: cars like this which get ALOT of media and press attention, and everyone says how great it is, but all the owner did was bog it and paint and slam it. Ive seen close up photo's of this car at a show and all the dog leg, bottom door and sil are bubbling up. you can see in both pictures the doors, and ive seen other angles where there is ripples down the whole car. I just have more respect when i can see the effort someone has put into their car to make it 100%. To me the car above, is just a half arsed job. There are a lot of generalisations in CroS13's post but i get what he is saying in parts. I have no time for beaten up drift missiles, couldn't care less for them and i think that is what he is referring to as the YOLO and dare i say pretty bogan crowd now associated with drifting and imports. YES, and this is where it all stems from for me. Ive owned Silvia's for the last 12 years, where back then, the bogan chariot of choice was a VN commodore, a time when i paid 16k for a SR20 Turbo S13, where all the inter cooler piping and exhaust had to be custom made, GKTECH didn't exist back then! And now ive seen the cars devalue to absolutely nothing. exactly like you said, every P plater has them now, The scene has really changed over the last decade. When i went to my first silvia meet, it was all about clean cars and cruises, there was no drifting, big power was anything over 200kw at the wheels. I Dont know.... Rudolf. Quote
Mr260z Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 A few pics from last nights show in Wandin Vic. Sure there's a lot of rubbish out there but the majority of cars at the shows I've been to have been what I consider a high standard. Quote
charleszed Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I wear a flatbrim too and I vote. There are a lot of generalisations in CroS13's post but i get what he is saying in parts. I have no time for beaten up drift missiles, couldn't care less for them and i think that is what he is referring to as the YOLO and dare i say pretty bogan crowd now associated with drifting and imports. What I think most people fail to realise is that all the cars they see pics of on the net that they lust after are heavily set up to have the right stance. It's part of making a car look really good and doing it properly is a super hard and expensive thing to do. So when people like myself and Stivva see people bashing stance we take offence, however i think what they are really referring to is slammed cars with -40 camber to fit retarded wheels that don't fit under the guards which is a totally different thing and has it's own following and name. If we are going to throw stereo types out there what about the crusty old demographic that sit in arm chairs with their stock, half restored, very slightly modified with a set of headers and 240z carbs, small 15" wheeled car (that sit way inside the guards) with the height of a 4x4 off-roader??? That oughtta fire up some comments!!! I also dont like the stereotypes against young people not caring about anything other than stance. I love a datsun with stance hence the build type i have chosen. The reason i dont go to car shows is because i dont like people's opinions and negative feedback so i dont open myself up to it. I would rather just enjoy the car myself with close friends and family. #yolo Quote
George Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Hey, you like cars too? That's awesome, I'm into cars as well! Let's hang. Oh, you like THAT subset of the classic Japanese cars? Well, you suck. Byeee! Quote
Mr260z Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 I also dont like the stereotypes against young people not caring about anything other than stance. I love a datsun with stance hence the build type i have chosen. The reason i dont go to car shows is because i dont like people's opinions and negative feedback so i dont open myself up to it. I would rather just enjoy the car myself with close friends and family. #yolo I actually haven't heard much negativity at shows everyone seems pretty open to the different styles and interests. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted October 23, 2014 Administrators Posted October 23, 2014 I agree we shouldn't stereotype all young car enthusiasts. I was young once too you know! I often think about the fact that when I bought my first 240z the guy who sold it to me was happy to pass his Z onto a young enthusiast who would hopefully breathe new life into the car and enjoy it like he did. Being put in the same situation today I'm not sure I'd be so enthusiastic as to sell my S30z's to a young fella intend on taking to it with an angle grinder to fit flares and put an RB26 in it. In the beginning I did a lot of things to my S30z's that I look back now and shudder at or think what was I thinking? But I learnt through forums like this and I observed others with their builds and slowly I started to become more interested in what the car was about and it's history and started to appreciate them just how they were, rather than what I could make them look like or trying to modernise them. I'm sure in amongst the younger generation today is another kid like me looking at the S30z like it's the best car ever and hopefully that same kid will be the next care taker willing to invest the time and passion to keep these cars going for another 50 years. If the previous owners of my S30z's hadn't given me the opportunity to own an S30z this site would probably not exist today. Quote
Mr260z Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 Well there's a Yarra Valley Chrome Bumpers meet on at bunnings Chirnside Park Vic. At 8pm on friday 14th November so I'll put it up in events and organize a short cruise there and see if I can get some company this time around Quote
charleszed Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I agree we shouldn't stereotype all young car enthusiasts. I was young once too you know! I often think about the fact that when I bought my first 240z the guy who sold it to me was happy to pass his Z onto a young enthusiast who would hopefully breathe new life into the car and enjoy it like he did. Being put in the same situation today I'm not sure I'd be so enthusiastic as to sell my S30z's to a young fella intend on taking to it with an angle grinder to fit flares and put an RB26 in it. In the beginning I did a lot of things to my S30z's that I look back now and shudder at or think what was I thinking? But I learnt through forums like this and I observed others with their builds and slowly I started to become more interested in what the car was about and it's history and started to appreciate them just how they were, rather than what I could make them look like or trying to modernise them. I'm sure in amongst the younger generation today is another kid like me looking at the S30z like it's the best car ever and hopefully that same kid will be the next care taker willing to invest the time and passion to keep these cars going for another 50 years. If the previous owners of my S30z's hadn't given me the opportunity to own an S30z this site would probably not exist today. Yer righto.. i suppose the young fella with grinder and fitting a rb26 into it is me haha oh well its better situation for the car than the old gentleman leaving it outside in rain collecting dust, causing rust which is where the "young fella" found it in melbourne falling apart. Quote
260DET Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Part of it is that dedicated show cars are used mainly for that purpose and not many Z cars are dedicated show cars. Another is that like a lot of performance car owners we tend to get together with our own tribe. Rather than mix with the bogan trash, even those bogans with money Quote
260DET Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Bogans don't own Z cars, better get a Trana or somthik loike tat Quote
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