Administrators gav240z Posted January 31, 2018 Administrators Posted January 31, 2018 So... you may want to be sitting down when you open this album.. https://www.facebook.com/pg/dcwclassic/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1819163044823013 My emphasis in bold, because this happens a lot... I get A LOT (and i mean A LOT) questions - how much, where, and how to buy a Hakosuka (aka KGC10 skyline 2000GTX or KPGC10 Skyline GTR)... So lets say - i will add this fairy tale about reality of owning one. Few years (hmm maybe 5 or 6, i cant even remember) i bought mine - KGC10 - 2000gt skyline. its not a GTR - its just a normal coupe with L20 engine, not the S20 powered GTR version that costs nearly 200K now... So i was pretty naive, and paid QUITE much at that time for a car that looked OK in the pics (you can find whole album here of the build of that car and etc). So story goes - one guy reached me after seeing how my car evolved with the help to get his car all to a better shape (also 2000gt). So - his dream was to own one, and he bought it from Japan, for a reputable dealer, car was looking all nice and clean and... And like 99% of them do in Japan when they get on sales I was already aware that (let me get this as I DO think) 90% of them - are damn rusted, badly fixed and only MADE to look OK to sell... I was telling this to a lot of people who want a Hako, telling them all the stories of guy in USA and Europe rebuilding they hakos and finding all the crazy fixing methods, cray amounts of fillers and etc - but it seems to be that a lot of guys who have a DREAM - they dont want to listen and to shatter that dream... So - here goes reality. Another 'nice' example. This is what you get when you pay 50-60K for a SKYLINE. And i mean 50000 - 60000 EUROS. This is reality. And i mean if you are lucky - you will only have 'half of this stuff' on your car So if you really want a skyline - go get a bigger 'pig money saver' and some medicine for your nerves if you plan to do a 'little bit' of restoration So heres the conclusion: In some places wheres like 3 or 4 layers of 'repairs' done. One front frame / support been fully changed, another one had been damaged quite badly. Floors are gone, side sills are gone, rear fenders - one of them has quite a big dent / fix, another one rear lower part is damaged / repairs crazy... Rear tail lights panel - repaired 3 times, with random metal just adding on top of rusted areas... So yea - i love Japan - but methods how 'generic' people restore these cars are killing... It would been so much easier if its was just a rusted car... Attached are 2 before photos (before it was stripped down and the extent of the previous repairs known!).... Enjoy. KatoKid 1 Quote
260DET Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 It does happen a lot, rust and Japan go together and in my experience tarting up rusty/damaged cars for sale seems to have reached an art form there. The reports only mention what's obvious on a visual inspection too. gav240z 1 Quote
HS30-H Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 It does happen a lot, rust and Japan go together and in my experience tarting up rusty/damaged cars for sale seems to have reached an art form there. The reports only mention what's obvious on a visual inspection too. People buying from the bottom of the market, not inspecting the cars themselves IN PERSON, not knowing anything about what they are buying, employing other people who don't know what they are looking at.... guess what happens? The guy in question bought a 45+ year old modified car from a small, back street dealer in Sapporo, Hokkaido without having it properly inspected. That's the same Sapporo which hosted the winter olympics in 1972. It just reminds me of those interviews with surfers who have had narrow escapes from becoming shark food. Maybe somebody should ask the sharks what their take on the situation was...? gav240z and zed74 2 Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted February 1, 2018 Author Administrators Posted February 1, 2018 There is dealer on Parramatta Rd which has popped up recently selling some Japanese cars - very much like old mate Phil. Makes me wonder how good some of these examples are eg: http://www.viczcar.com/forum/topic/14448-the-global-z-car-s30s130-market-thread/?p=195175 Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted February 2, 2018 Author Administrators Posted February 2, 2018 Speaking of crafty repair work check this sill out. https://www.facebook.com/ironchefimports/videos/1544154998987067/ Quote
260DET Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 People buying from the bottom of the market, not inspecting the cars themselves IN PERSON, not knowing anything about what they are buying, employing other people who don't know what they are looking at.... guess what happens? The guy in question bought a 45+ year old modified car from a small, back street dealer in Sapporo, Hokkaido without having it properly inspected. That's the same Sapporo which hosted the winter olympics in 1972. It just reminds me of those interviews with surfers who have had narrow escapes from becoming shark food. Maybe somebody should ask the sharks what their take on the situation was...? The Japanese agent I had when buying and importing the 280ZX 2+0 was good, they took their time and finally found a decent one. Even so it had some rust (which I repaired) that did not appear on the inspection report, the thing was it had a really good two pack paint job that had to be ruined to do the repairs. Obviously buying through an agent you don't personally know is not the best way to buy a used car from anywhere but practically the better alternatives are not always available to a particular buyer. It would be interesting to know what the Japanese take on all this is eg do the locals get fooled too and if so what's their response? Must say the your shark analogy is an interesting one when talking about used cars and their dealers lol. Quote
260DET Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 And here is the inspection report on the 2+0. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted February 3, 2018 Author Administrators Posted February 3, 2018 Speaking of Sharks.. this mob have no idea what they are selling... https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Datsun-240Z-1974/OAG-AD-15439235?ret=search-alert&utm_source=internal-carsales-notification-centre-search-alert&utm_medium=email Quote
gilltech Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 I don't think anyone else will either, looks like a mish-mash of different years. Late shell, going by the details, not '74, and then 240Z taillights. Quote
brent012 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 I don't think anyone else will either, looks like a mish-mash of different years. Late shell, going by the details, not '74, and then 240Z taillights. Yeah, not a 1974 car even though some things have been backdated. Has an S31 chassis code, no diamond pattern vinyl, late model Niles rally clock etc. The ad even says the build date is december 1976. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted February 3, 2018 Author Administrators Posted February 3, 2018 Yep it's an S31 Fairlady Z 2.0ltr (L20A) motor, early S30Z tail lamps, G-nose assembly, flares etc.. somehow I very much doubt a 1 owner example. The Niles clock was indeed a later clock. 74 models (Z-L's) still got the twin knob rally clock, it was 75 they got the Citizen single knob clock, then 76/77 they got the Niles clock. This 1 has factory fitted fuel injection. Seller's CommentWhile it's siblings are currently being stored within the Zama Nissan Heritage Museum, we have managed to locate an immaculate road example 240Z S30 that still turns heads so much so as it first did in the early 1970's upon its iconic release. A true piece of timeless Nissan history. This S30 sports it signature 1900 mm nose, head light covers and body fenders which helped improved the aerodynamics which made it the fastest Japanese production sports car of its time with a top speed of 210 kms per hour. Genuine one owner who has undoubtably cared and loved for this vehicle. Completely original and un restored trim Mechanically standard and still purs as it did when first sold. Vehicle has been serviced and inspected in house and is absolutely Faultless in every aspect and ready to be registered for road use. Please feel free to speak with Sal on to discuss how you can have this beautiful example as your own Totally disingenuous description.. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted February 8, 2018 Author Administrators Posted February 8, 2018 Romas who posted the Skyline above, has posted another cracker here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/datsun.europe/permalink/1804387323198102/ I call it Kermit the Bog, some creative bog work.. Honestly it would be easier to fix it properly.. Quote
OdinZ Posted February 8, 2018 Posted February 8, 2018 Romas who posted the Skyline above, has posted another cracker here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/datsun.europe/permalink/1804387323198102/ I call it Kermit the Bog, some creative bog work.. Honestly it would be easier to fix it properly.. Geez!!!! Why oh Why!!!! Quote
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