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I got those figures of Tare weight: 1,350 kg (2,980 lb from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_S30 If the 2+2 is not heavy in the steering can you explain why the net is full of people putting in power steering, seems silly doesn't it if not needed, my lady has said if I put that car on the road she will not drive it, the steering is too heavy, you will never change that. I did a bit of research to back up this comparison. As to compare the Renault Scenic and the 306, both motors are 2.0l Renault puts out 101 kw at 5500rpm 188 at 3750rpm bore is 82.7 x 93 car weighs 1290kgs 306 Peugeot convertible 2.0 l motor 100 kw at 5500rpm and 187nm at 4200rpm bore and stoke is 86 x86 car weight is 1270 kgs. So here we have two cars that have the same size motor they weight the same, same hp same nm the only difference is bore and stoke the Renault is a good daily diver for a family man at 82.7 bore x 93 stoke , yet the 306 is a fun sports car that puts a smile on your face while DRIVING it around the hills bore and stoke of 86mm = short stokes = FUN but you need to be able to DRIVE to be able to have FUN with it.

d3cOy, what part is wrong, A 280 crank is the same stoke as a 260 crank (fact) if you put a 280 crank into a 240 motor you will make a 260 motor (fact) In standard form a 260 or 280 with the same stoke is a pig of a motor that doesn't like to rev (fact) If you spend lots of $ you can make a 280 stoke motor fun. (fact) If you put in a 240 crank and rods you can make a 280 block become a 2575cc motor that will rev easy and be fun motor cheap.(fact) So what parts are so wrong. Can you confirm how much $ you have spent to make your 280 stoker fun so we can confirm if that part is fact.

Hi Magnet, putting a 280 crank will be the same as the 260 pig you have now that can't rev, you sound like you want a fun car with out spending too much $, you will not get that feeling unless you spend huge $ on a 280 motor look at 15-30k if you want a fun high revving car for less $ stay with the 240 crank, if you want a big bore you can put a 240 crank and rods into a 280 block. there is a good book put out by HP Books (How to modify your Nissan/Datsun OHC Engine), which will tell you what nissan parts fit what. Book says you can go 2mm with out sonic testing.

"Wow Patch, not much love for 260's!" When I first came here first car was a 260c wagon owned it for many years and used as a work hack with all my welding gear in it, When I bought the 240z in 1986 it was fast it was fun, rust got to it so a full restore took place, while this was happening I bought a 2+2 with a 260 motor in it, it was alright but no where near as fun to drive and a bit disappointed, I had a recon 240z motor sitting there while I was doing the body work on the 240, well just by changing that made the car fun to drive again, so yes to me I didn't like the stoke of the 260, to me it was a pig, later on I bought a 280c car and yes that was a bigger pig, I only bought the car for the motor as a project I was working on and I had read that you can make them rev by swamping the 240 crank and rods, so was an idea for later. This was in the years when a 280zx were worth a lot of money and not an option then. ("I have no idea why some one would want to put one of these into a 240z." "Cheap cheap cheap power, almost no weight gain, optional engine for chassis, torque, more bang for buck with future power modifications etc. The only reason NOT to go to an L28 is if you are concerned about originality, want to race the car in a particular class, or don't give a stuff about power.") Now I am from a different school hp or torque is not everything, you can have a lot more fun with a motor that can rev, when I was 18 I had a GS1000s one of the fastest bikes in 1978 yet a little RG250 would eat it on the hills. I spent 10 years racing 2 stoke bikes and like the feeling a small stoke gives you, you will eat big stokes motors any day. Today I have a Renault Scenic van it has a 2.0 lt motor high toque bigger stoke crank and a 306 convertible which also has a 2.0lt motor with a short stoke, the van is great for taking the wife and dog away for the weekend and every day car, you can pull up the hill in 4th, the 306 is a fun toy which me and the dog go for a drive around the hills for a bit of fun, she doesn't like it, yet she wanted it for her, it is too hard for her to drive as you have to drive it like a little race car and heaps of changing gears, she would stall it being in the wrong gear, instead of 4th you need 2nd and finds the clutch to heavy, hands down the car is a lot more fun to drive. I also own a Harley touring bike with a 1340cc 2 cylinder high toque revs to 5k great for taking the wife for a comfortable ride or trip away, for a play toy for myself I have a ZXR750cc 4 cylinder short stoke weapon which revs to 12.5k and takes a lot of riding to keep it in it's rev range,top speed of 240kmh,3.6sec 0-100kmh, you take that for a ride around the hills and that brings a bigger smile than the high toque bike does, so it is horses for courses I have had a few V8's over the years but would prefer a short stoke sports car over a big V8 any day, To get that feeling out of a 280 motor you have to spend a lot of money, bigger the stoke the easier to blow apart so you need money to hold it together. That is my opinion on the matter, but that is why you need to know what you want, fun or transport.

I have tried different wheels and tires on both cars, as I say, nothing wrong with the 240z it is only the 2+2, nothing wrong with suspension or steering, it would be more the fact the car is 300kg's heavier and then has the capability to carry 2 extra 100kg people using the same steering rack.so with passengers you could easily be 500kgs more, so why wouldn't it be heavier. I had no problems with it, it was only the lady did, as my work ute was a MK patrol which she couldn't drive at all, now that has heavy steering.

With the heavy steering I am talking about the 2+2, we had the same wheels on both cars, 240 she could drive fine, she bitched like hell about the 2+2.

I will throw in the 306 convertible as well, so you are not stuck without a car, great car for weekends like now.

I agree Peter, nothing wrong with a 2+2, I have both, but both in the shednow and been off the road for many years, but when the 2+2 was going it went far better when I put the 240 motor in it, lots of good times taking the wife and kids for a drive in the country., but it is how the market sees them, I am sure they will come back up again, like I have said before my lady hated the heavy steering and didn't want it back on the road. I still like the 2+2 ,tell you what Peter, I would swap my 3 zds for your 1.

Welcome to the forum noblesse, What is better for you depends what you want to do with the car, but in standard form this may help. The biggest difference you will notice if you get a chance to drive both is the 240z has a shorter stroke crank which makes the car fly and throws you back in the seat, likes to rev and is great fun to drive, the car will do 125mph standard and runs out of horsepower not revs, small mods brings it up to 145mph and 6.0 sec 0-60mph going by my book. It has racing history a nicer dash, tail lights and lighter car, better carbs no immersion standards to comply with, no air con and think only came in manual gearbox , more a car for somebody who likes to drive and can drive, hang on and have fun by yourself with a big smile on your face, better resale value according to Redbook, will cost more to buy. The 260z has the same bore but larger stroke crank,huge difference in performance, pig to drive, badly made carbs that are worth nothing to sell, more suited to a family man taking the wife and kids for a drive in the country with your arm out the window driving with automatic and air con, but nowhere near as fun to drive. lot heavier car with a motor that is worthless to sell, came with smog gear and immersion standards. Car is cheaper to buy, came out as 2 seater's and 2+2 which can carry adults in the back with no legs, very heavy in the steering, 2+2 are worth very little to buy. The 280zx has the same stroke as the 260 but bigger bore, just a big pig of a motor and used for the 4x4 Nissan patrols, I have no idea why some one would want to put one of these into a 240z. Mind you all the parts are interchangeable and have read you can make a 280 quick with a 240 crank and rods. or spendings lots of money to get the excitement back, the 280zx is a limo on wheels in a sports car body. Nissan went down hill from the 240z and was not until the 300z twin turbo that they bought the same performance and fun back. All motors came with forged steel cranks and good rods , the 240z has huge racing history and will be the more collectable one to buy. If you check Redbook you will see a 240z is worth 3 times its new price while a 260z is worth the same as new price. If you want to modify and go RB motor etc, better to go for 260z. How much to get you into one, I see you are on the Gold coast I have what you want as a project car 240z 100% complete for 3.5k which I have owned since 1986.

I noticed an add on Gumtree today, someone wants to buy 240z in Sydney Here is the add, worth contacting him to see if somebody is trying to fill an order for quick $ http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/wetherill-park/cars-vans-utes/want-to-buy-datsun-240z-260z/1030504915?mpch=ads

I know my lady had no problems with my 240z, but she hated driving the 260 2+2, always complained about how heavy it was, so when I took it off the road for rust repairs and she drove cars with power steering, she said don't bother putting the 2+2 back on the road as she will not drive it.

Here is a 240z, he wants just under 10k Who thought it was a good idea with those sun roofs back in the day. http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/Private/details.aspx?R=sse-ad-2267119&ctocode=32723557-{campaignid}&WT.z_csource=Criteo&WT.seg_4=Criteo

I haven't done anything with my lot yet and they are on the Gold Coast. So for the right price I may let them go. http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,13093.0.html

How did he up after this, is the car rebuilt, I have a early shell that I will be cutting the roof off shortly and the rear cut will be for sale, was Mattes race shell. but it is on the Gold Coast, it would fix most of the back damage. edit, just noticed yours is a 260 mine is 1970-71 240 shell

You could always try a 9''or something other and do it like this.

Sorry roof I am cutting off is for the 240z I am keeping for awhile,and selling the race shell with out the roof. there was one in Sydney at a zcar wrecker who does rally with a Zd, expect $900.00 and over, you could get very close with a 2+2 skin, they are so close at that part I would try.

Welcome duanemc, may I suggest you have a look at my package could end up a very cheap zd. I am just down the road from you. http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,13093.msg136404/topicseen.html#msg136404

Just from memory I think this car is in the 800's.

As per my other thread about selling 3 zds I am also selling everything in my workshop, Most things are 3 phase. as I ran a steel fabrication workshop from home, Most stuff is old and not been used for years, 3 phase mig's an older large steel lathe, this could be converted to single phase if you replaced to motor, as I have broken hip I can not help in anyway, also selling my 2 bikes 1993 Kawasaki ZXR75l sports bike. $1600.00 as is, needs front tire for rego 1989 Harley Davidson Electra glide, Ultra Classic still reg but needs RWC $10,000. Will take me weeks to get down for photo's. (07) 55--306---151 Dave

Cheap 240z shell e-bay, Vic 1 day 6 hours $255 NMR http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Datsun-240z-Shell-/261229492878?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3cd27dba8e

Sounds like it is jammed between 2 gears, you need to pull the top lever off and unjam them manually on each fork to be able to get neutral, you may find it is caused by the gear level being sloppy.

I had the International AA110 about 30years ago, was a rust bucket then and took some driving to keep it on the road. Here is a AT4 on ebay, you can see the rust though the paint . http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dodge-AT4-/261214458450?pt=AU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicles&hash=item3cd1985252&clk_rvr_id=480142055957 Here is one that sold a couple of days ago, there are alot of people bidding now and not buying, maybe worth trying and see if it was picked up. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/dodge-at4-1965-/221224254132?pt=AU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicles&hash=item3381fe3ab4&clk_rvr_id=480142356641 another, no bids and passed in http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dodge-Truck-AT4-660-/181129406534?pt=AU_Trucks_Commercial_Vehicles&hash=item2a2c276846&clk_rvr_id=480138674828

This one is close on e-bay http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/240z-260z-Front-spoiler-Airdam-Topstage-Aero-design-/171031245642?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d241b34a

Here is a shot of it here, good video, only short.

Good photo's there, I clicked on the 240k shell on FB and followed a comment to you, and followed that to a good rebuild thread worth looking at, as he is showing how to restore some items to concourse condition. http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/405899-75-c110-gtr-build/