Triple Webers - 45DCOE152's

[Kent]

Hi Guys,

 

I have a set of triple Webers with lynx manifold, triple ramflow filters and all the linkages (installed by SWR)to suit an L28.

These came of a mates 260z with L28 and they were tuned by Stewart Wilkins.

 

Unfortunately they don't suit my stock L24 and as much as i would love to believe they would and hold on to them, deep down i know they just won't work for me.

 

The webers are currently spec'd as follows:

 

Choke = 36

venturi = 4.5

Main Jet = 145

Air corrector = 180

Emulsion Tube = F15

Idle jet = 60 F6

Pump jet = 35

 

Now, i am not 100% sure how much these are worth, i am guessing $1200 or so (i believe my mate paid around $1450 for them 4-5 years ago) so i am open to offers and hugely open to suggestions on what they are worth

 

Pickup in Sydney, otherwise i can probably get them couriered if i can find a decent way to pack them.

 

Kent

[Scoota G]

Stewart Wilkins tuned 45 DCOE Webers at $1200 is a good price for sure.

[T.A.P]

pm sent

[luvemfast]

Jeebus 

Bargain

[Kent]

really? what is the market value for them? should i be asking  $1400ish? i certainly don't want to give them away unnecessarily (but don't want to ebay them either)

[nizm0zed]

I think your pretty much in the market with the price, im sure you could get a bit more for them if you were willing to wait for the right buyer and advertise over several forums.

Biscuitballs has a set of Mikuni's for $1750, as a comparitive example.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,10683.0.html

 

 

But you know what'd look REALLY sweet with those carbies?

A nice set of custom length leads and some alloy lead holders.

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,10810.0.html 

[d3c0y]

Biscuit Ball's Mikunis are 40mm.

 

Why can you use them on an L24? Change the jetting to suit and you will definitely get an increase in horsepower.

[boyblunda]

I do not know much about carbies and tuning etc but I consider myself lucky to have bought a sorted  "matched set" from Peter Hall in South Australia in an ebay auction some six years or so ago - my winning bid was about $1750 from memory. At the time, with the exchange rate as it was, the best I could find elsewhere was at least $2000+. However, the current exchange rate would probably enable me to purchase a brand new set with linkages and manifold for close to that price.

 

The set that I bought went straight into my project car and have worked like a dream since day one.

 

My thought is that second hand webers that have been well sorted, transfer pretty easily to engines of a similar level of preparation.

 

If the linkages and manifold are in good nick, then $1200 is a VERY fair price. Definitely do not go lower. While I would not use them immediately if I had them, I would certainly purchase and pay by Paypal within 48 hours if you cannot do better than $1200 from others on this forum. My offer is open for a month from today and I am not insulted if you want to try to sell somewhere else in the interim.

 

I am sure that you will do better than $1200.

[saxon]

brand new with linkage and air horns is 1500 from MSA, plus shipping I guess would be 150, so say 1650 brand new. so I think 1200 is fair for second hand

[luvemfast]

$1200 was the advertised price.

Open to offers.They go down, not up.

So $1200 takes them IMHO.

 

Look forwards to hearing about the E-go quote Kent 

Bank transfer ok?

[nizm0zed]

$1200 was the advertised price, but if people are offering more in order to grab a bargain, why would you shoot yourself in the foot and take less.

As the saying goes, "money talks, bullshit walks"

[Kent]

Hi Guys,

 

had a talk with the wife, and deciding to hold onto these for now, i am going to re-look into getting the chokes to fit them to the L24

 

worse case and it doesn't work out, i probably won't lose that much.

 

Sorry to all those that showed an interest. If the situation changes, will let you know..

 

Kent

[d3c0y]

It will work it's not like you are breaking new ground here...

[boyblunda]

Good on you Kent for hanging on to them. I really thought that the responses to this thread would have resulted in a higher and more reasonable, good enough to not want to refuse type offer being made.

 

I have an impression from what I think I remember from a ClassicZ thread, that the earlier webers were better made and more reliable than the newer webers that are now made in, I think, Spain? This could be absolute rubbish for all I know so take it with a grain of salt.

EDIT : The following is taken from an ebay auction being run for a triple weber kit omn Ebay at the moment with starting bid $1900 : "

Weber has long been acknowledged as the manufacturer of the best carburetors available....ANYWHERE.  Legendary marquees like Alfa Romeo, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Maserati have been closely linked with the products of the equally legendary Edorado Weber S.P.A. of more than 50 years.  While various producers of racing and high performance induction systems have moved in and out of the limelight over many decades, Weber alone maintains its worldwide superiority. The foundation of Weber's supremacy is no mystery.  It's nothing more than the traditional virtues of careful design, meticulous manufacturing standards and uncompromising quality control, coupled with that unique Italian attribute of elegance in design. Do not confuse this with WeberNorthAmerica - not the same company. Weber North America brands various carburetors as "WEBER's" under a licensing agreement but they are NOT the legendary Italian designed and European built WEBER. REDLINE uses exclusively the European WEBER carburetors in their conversions. The Original Italian Engineered and designed 40DCOE series WEBER carb is often copied, sometimes licensed - but there is only one original. The price of perfection is being admired to the point of being copied (EMPI branded carbs) or creating the illusion of being an DCOE when you are not. Get the perfect carb for your conversion - a 40 DCOE from Redline. "

 

The MSA prices are very very good at the moment and I have always been happy with MSA in the past. However, the freight charges can be high and purchases of over $1000 can attract import / customs dutes and associated fees. Just something to be careful about if importing parts from the USA.

[saxon]

Yeah if i was to purchase it from msa, i would ask them to split it into 2 packages to avoid gst. Taking into account the favourable exchange rate it could be even less than i first guestimated.

[luvemfast]

They are worth persisting with Kent.

Jet them, chokes also, to suit and you'll be happy with them. You won't regret keeping them.

I can have a look in my garage to see if I have some smaller Weber chokes. But they would be pretty common to get your hands on locally anyway.

[Kent]

Thanks Guys for all the support..

 

I know that it will be worth it once they are up and running.

 

I believe i need to start with 120mm main jets, 50F9 idle jets, 0.45 accel pump jets, 0.55 accel pump inlet valves and 30mm chokes.

 

will start the search

[luke240ZED]

Hi Kent,

 

If your going down the Weber path with your L24, spend the time and research what others have done.  There is a bucket load of infomation out there and eveyone has there own specific ideas and settings.  I run triple 45mm DCOE's on my L24 with a mild cam and some head work.  My settings below are just as a guide as there is plenty more out there, for example in this thread from the states: http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/28318-weber-jetsall-who-live-for-their-triples-please-read-this/

 

Model: 45 DCOE 152

Choke 32

Aux venturi 5.0

Idle jets: 50F9

Main Jet 130

Emulsion Tube F11

Air corrector: 160

Pump Jet 0.45

Fuel pressure @ 3psi

 

Cheers

Luke

 

 

[chris240]

And another good one

 

http://www.classicrallyclub.com.au/docs/Tips_tuning_Weber_carburettors_DVAndrews.pdf

 

A good rule is to work out the most realistic venturi / choke size suited to your engine , then you choose the size of the dcoe. IMHO the 40's are much better suited for a mildly worked L24 , and will "more than likely" work nicer than trying to down-choke 45s..

[luvemfast]

http://www.classicrallyclub.com.au/docs/Tips_tuning_Weber_carburettors_DVAndrews.pdf

Good read for novices and obtaining a baseline jet setting.

Thanks, hadn't read that one.

[peter mc]

. choking the 45s for the L24 needs 32mm for best drive and power  in a mild or stock...  the 45s are not the best road carb for the L24 the standard carbs are well up for the job and drive better, i have seen 240hp afw  with stock carbs  , if you wont to race the 45s will come into there element

[Kent]

aaarrgghh.. guys... your killing me so many arguments and opinions for and against them as well as for the standard carb's (they are the good ones too), though i am not ever going to be going the extremes of an L31 so i do understand 45's are overkill.. your not making it any easier on me, some great info though, i have a good guesstimate on the spec's i need (though that was based on 30mm chokes, will look into 32mm now).. the only problem is unless i get it dyno tuned by someone who has all the options, it could work out to be a very expensive case of trial and error (though i remember the original SWR tune on these cost an absolute bomb)

 

Looks like the car is going to have to be put in storage for a year or two,  in the now very near future... so i really need to decide what to do...

 

If i do change my mind, i will post a new for sale message (sorry moderators, i am concious that this thread is hitting the limits of what should now be in the for sale section).

 

thanks again guys!

Kent

[dat2kman]

Running 45's? You more tHan likely have a matched bigger port diameter manifold between carbs and head, and possibly bigger porting into the head.

Without air speed velocity, the fuel atoms drop out of the air, and it wont run right.

A set of 40's with 32 chokes will perform more satisfactorily, but only mated to a smallish matched port manifold.

 

The factory 44 mikuni's were only ever an option part for competition use, ie a lot of wide open throttle and higher port airspeeds.

[chris240]

Fyi, Im running 40's with 34 chokes on an L28 and couldnt be happier..I picked a recipe that suited my stockish engine, and only then did I buy the carbs, then the chokes, then the jets, tubes etc, then handed it all over to canberra's equivalent of peter mac !!!......hey Peter , why dont you move to Canberra...go onnnnn. 

[d3c0y]

Warragul is about the same size as Canberra isn't it? About the same distance to civilization too!