car too original

[Razz]

hey all. It's come to my attention that the car I have bought is becoming quite rare. rare in the fact that all the numbers match in the engine bay, complince plates (including the facory stickers of bits n pieces in the engine bay), original steering wheel, under the dash wiring untampered, radio, carbies, wheels, interior unmodified, even a rare side mirror, which I was told was a very sought after piece. 

 

  At this point, there is no way in the world I will modify this car,  with the amount of comments it's receiving about being untouched. Starting to get a bit paranoid about driving it. 

 

I do, however want a Z I can do up, redo interior, engine, bit of body work.  my eventual plan was to strip the car right back to bare metal, and get all rust and gunk cut out of it, and revive the car, but i don't like my chances of pulling everything out without breaking something, and getting it all back in there the way it was. 

 

don't have the funds to get another Z and garage the one I have.

 

well, i'm off to give it a good re-rusting 

 

What are your thoughts?? 

 

 

[Mr240z]

re-rusting.................Please explain "Pauline Hanson"

[zzzzed]

I am in the same boat with my 260z 2 seater it is 98% original except radio and some crappy side stripes

I wont be touching mine either.

But i have my 240z also which i will be doing all the mod work to, its grate having one of each.

I don't think it would devalue it any if you where to do some mild cam and head work though. 

[chris240]

Oh ok ...I see whats happened here. Simons gotten in your ear yesterday about originality...which is not a bad thing.

looking at your zed yesterday its an untampered unrestored "driven" zed in around 6.5-7 outa 10 condition (10 being concourse)..nothing more nothing less.

If the car was bordering on concourse, then yes maybe consider locking it away for a once a month Sunday car.

What a lot of guys on this site have done is to keep their zeds 85% original (I challenge someone to define original !) but modify them with sensible mods be it current gear or period gear. This in my opinion increases the zeds value proportionally.

Now Scott, your a young dude...3to1 says you couldnt last 2 weeks without fidgeting or improving your zed...These cars are meant to be worked on not stared at.

I hope you dont think youve uncovered a mint XA-GT phase 4 ...now get out there and start tinkering & improving your zed.  

[Zedman240®]

Hey Pauly, I think he meant de-rusting (I hope!!)

 

As with mods, the way I see it, as with my car, all the mods that I have done, everything can be put back to stock. I wouldn't do anything that couldn't be reversed if it had to be done. For example an RB engine conversion. If I was to fit a turbo RB and use the transmission from one, you would have to remove the original transmission mounts to fit the bigger turbo box. I haven't touched mine (used a NA RB box which is smaller) and as I am going back to an L series motor, everything should go back as it was from Nissan. If you decide on fitting a L28 or Cummins diesel, as long as you keep all the original components, you should be fine.

If you want to change the radio, find another average console and butcher that; same with the interior, remove what you want to keep and buy second hand stuff you can modify. Then if you ever want it stock, just remove and replace. Just my 2c!

[Razz]

hmmm, very valid points.

 

yeah, DE- rusting, sorry.  not out there straying it down with salt water 

 

I was thinking an RB 20DET, couple of other bits and pieces, which might/could include some irreversible mods. as with upgrading interior, apart from storing seats, radio and steering wheel ( authentic, but a b*&ch to drive with) most of the old stuff wouldn't be much good trying to put it back later on.  this a problem? 

 

am I thinking too much of the originality of it?  It definitly wants to be driven around!  tell it your thinking of garaging it, and it runs terribly! but serious, it knows what i'm thinking :-\

 

[XRQTR]

The easiest way is this.

 

Clean up rust and give it a respray in it's factory color, some vinyl stripes can be taken off at any time to bring it straight back to original, drop in an L28, some triples and maybe some head work with a cam. Again this can be taken out any time and with your matching numbers engine still as original as the day it left the factory if you ever want to sell it you can just drop it straight back in.

 

 

If you bought it to enjoy it then that's my advice, plus you can take it back to original at any time as well as save causing any damage to the matching #'s engine.

 

In the end it's your car and you enjoy it whichever way you see fit.

 

[reverendzed]

Uhmmm....sounds like some great input from many of the members of this forum, for my part I bought mine original and one owner with all the history etc, I have done the motor, manual conversion, sports seats, new wheels etc and it's worth more now than it was before! But to me, who cares? I didn't buy it to sell, I bought it to have as much fun as possible, if I ever sell it and get less than what I think it's worth I'll just deduct the many hours of fun from the total and still be in front

Rev...and boy it's hot...time for a beer!

[PZG302]

I'll throw my 2 cents in.....

 

It's your car, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO IT!!!!!

 

If you want to modify it, then modify it, don't listen to any one else.

 

If you want to keep it standard, then keep it standard.

 

It all depends on what you want to get out of the car. If you want to make money from it, you bought the wrong car for this country You need a XY GTHO or HG Monaro for that, and even then you should have bought it at least 5 years ago before prices went insane.

 

If you want to enjoy it, then enjoy it and do what you want to it.

 

My 240 is a late 1974, does that make it deirable because it's one of the last? Who cares, it was bought to be built as a race car, so is modified way beyond what is now legal for the road and can't be bought back to standard anyway, I only have an L28 in it because the rules for 2B say I must use the engine block for the car and 240's were homologated with L28's.

[Razz]

yeah, the GTHO's went through the roof!!! dad owned a completely stock XU-1 a while ago, bought it for bugger all.  they've jumped to nearly $100,000.  he's none too happy.

 

I didn't buy it to sell, I bought it to have as much fun as possible, if I ever sell it and get less than what I think it's worth I'll just deduct the many hours of fun from the total and still be in front

 

I'm definitly going with you on that one.  It's what was running through the back of the mind, but i've seen ppl on this forum jump at the idea of mod-ing out an original.

 

I've started up quite a chat here :-)

[Razz]

no chance!    hey, out of curiosity, anyone know why their prices went through the roof?

[zzzzed]

who its getting a bit hot in here

It dint matter to me either. even though my zeds are not worth even close to what the GTHO has been selling for. Some one would have to offer me atleast 80g before i would even think about selling it. (Like that would happen) Thats what they are worth to me,  so i will never sell them  

[24OZ]

^^^^^^^^ lot of passion

personally i see my Z purchases as an opportunity to create a hotrod,which in my definition is old school classic looks with upgraded performance that doesn't owe you the earth

by this definition i would never alter the body shape or add anything that was not a factory bolt-on option....the rest is there to be improved upon

i am not buying an investment but merely creating a car that is exactly what i want as i would not be happy driving around a standard performance Z

now if the price of standard Z's goes through the roof then i would not contemplate hotrodding one as there would be too much invested in it that i would be scared to drive it

with regard to getting your money back,there will always be guys like me that love the shape and want more performance,so down the track someone will pay for a car that has been modified .....just hope that their parameters are similar to yours

personally a 240z with a nissan gtr repower just seems sexy as hell to me,that doesn't mean i am a big fan of sunroofs and wings

ps i also have a maserati with a 350 chev in it 

[zzzzed]

that i cant tell you, i had one in an xy one in an xw a few xa coupes and an ltd landau and an xc. they only did it on initial start up, once the oil pressure came up they where fine.

I haven't owned one since i bought my first zed about 8 years ago

[sco_aus]

Thanks Lurch.

So anyways, as you said in your PM, you thought of doing a engine conversion.  My suggestion is to have a good hard think of what you want to do with it, race? street? concours? But its your car...

[RBZ 260]

have to agree with PZG and scott.

 

YOUR CAR do what YOU WANT.

 

u can have an RB L28 VH45 SR20 if u do the  mods carefully u can still bring it back if it ever comes to the point it will be worth a bit of coin.

 

let face is unless its Z 432 or 432R  or a toyota 2000GT or old GT-R they still a fairly common car unlike the collectors car mentioned previously.

 

i got a 240z 1970 S1 #227 with matching engine the car is rough and will need lot of work to get back to its glory. most probably it will end up with a SR20DET or if i can afford RB26DETT. but will keep the L24 if ever the price goes through the roof and i need money desperately so i can bring it to more original.

 

but it will get leather seats, flares, lsd, late model turbo engine and shiny non original colour of my choice. the mustard colour to me is yuk. and im not going to spend massive amounts of hours to paint it that colour. may choose one of the other  original colours but most prob wont.

 

if its quality work it will still fetch good money regardless what u do to it.