260Z Roll Cage And Rpm Racing Harness

[Bobby]

I have for sale a Brown Davis aluminium roll cage that was in my 260Z when I bought it and also a pair of RPM racing harness's complete with all of the attachment eye bolts.

Not sure what they are worth so if someone who is not interested in buying but knows what they are worth can suggest what I should be asking then I would appreciate the advice. 

 

 

 

I live near Newcastle in NSW.

[dat2kman]

Being aluminium, and f the carwas CAMS logbooked, the cage is only usefull if installed in another car and used for events that do not require a lgbook, ie sprints, lapdash, khanas, and hillclimb, at club level.

 

CAMS wont issue new logbooks for a car with ally cage.

[44014]

Pm Sent

[Bobby]

Hello 44014. Thanks for the offer but to be honest I was hoping for more than that.

The previous owner said he paid 15 times that.

[Cozza]

Doug, did you offer $20 again?

Bobby, maybe you should post a price you are happy with. Your post above makes it sound like you want $1,500 or something.

Another pic of the cage from inside the car would be good too.

 

Good luck with the sale.

Mick

[44014]

The last alum half cage i seen sell was on ebay and went for $150.00.

And site rules do dictate you put a price.

 

And no Mick i offered 5x that price 

[PZG302]

Also put up the expiry date of the harnesses. Over ten years old and they can't be used for CAMS events.

 

Also a general indicator of condition. If the harnesses have been out in the sun, been worn in a crash or what not, they may or may not be useable.

 

My last harness i used was cut up by the track officials when the car was sitting in the paddock after collecting a fence at high speed. I had no problem with that as it had done its job and would have been dangerous to reuse.

[PeterAllen]

... If the harnesses have been out in the sun, ... they may or may not be useable....

 

Not true. In the 1970s I was involved in a research study on The Ultraviolet Degradation of Seatbelt Webbing. Webbing samples were exposed in the open, and under glass, at sites all over NSW ,e.g. Broken Hill, Mt Kosciuszko, for several years and when tested in the laboratory. The result indicated no strength degrading..

 

The photo in post #1 shows harness date 2012, does that indicate an expiry date of 2022?

[dat2kman]

CAMS gives you 5 years from expiry.

AASA dont care on expiry.

Yes, if car in accident that officials deem as severe, they will cut them up.

 

Peter, must say, am not a fan f standard black web belts that have turned a chalky white colour, over decades!

OP, as above ally cages are only ok for basic motor sports, ie sprints etc, yes they were very expensive years ago, but not so these days.

Have sold full ally cages for sedans at $300-350, half ally at $100-150, new, they were up to $800-900, they are still perfectly fine, better than nothing, and good for events that do not require cars to have lgbooks, unless car was lgbooked with an ally cage, ie most Group C touring cars.

 

Oh, and polished up, they can promote the Wannabe Racer wank factor levels to Level 10.

[1600dave]

I had the same harness, paid under $200 (can't remember exactly). Yours is dated 2012, so is halfway through its lifetime. You may get $200 the pair if you're lucky ? Bear in mind, quite a few people (myself included) are moving away from older 2" 4 point harnesses if they purchase HANS devices.

 

Alloy cage is a pretty limited market. It can't be used in any form of motorsport that require a CAMS-compliant cage. The only exception is that it could be used in your car, but only if your car has previously been log-booked with that cage in it. Even if log-booked in your car, the cage can't be moved to another car and log-booked again.

 

So your market is people who want "the look" or people who compete in events that don't require a cage at all (supersprints, etc). Even the latter is becoming more difficult for alloy cages as a lot of events now stipulate that to be eligible, a car must either be log-booked or road registered. Keeping a car road-registered with a full cage is becoming more difficult.

 

I am in pretty much that situation now, looking to upgrade from an alloy cage to steel in order to log-book the car. I would be extremely happy to get a few hundred for the old alloy cage when I go to sell it.

[PZG302]

Ah didn't look too closely at the harnesses.

 

Sorry to be an arsehole, but I would never recommend anyone buy a 2" harness. I have had the bruising from a 3" harness on a couple of occasions to show why a 2" harness is a very bad idea.

 

Only way I would have a 2" shoulder or lap strap is with a HANS specific harness that would only ever be used with a Hans device.

[HKSZ]

the cage might be worth $200 without a log book. As mentioned Alum can't be logged anymore and even if this was steel it doesn't comply as the rear legs extend beyond the rear suspension mounts. May be ok for sprint motorsports or the right "look"

[Bobby]

Once again I must thank everyone for their valuable input.

When I bought the car the previous owner commented how difficult it was to get the roll cage in so I said I would just cut it in half with a hacksaw to which he replied "don't do that it's worth $1500."

So I went to a lot of trouble and cursing to get it out without damaging it or the car.

So from his comment I assumed it was worth a fair bit so that is why I originally asked for some input on price as I had no idea.

Also I did not intend to cause any trouble by not having a price and I apologize for that.

This morning I put both the roll cage and seat belts on ebay but from all of the comments it looks like I am dreaming as I asked $500 for the cage.

[Cozza]

The future owner will only pay 1/10th of that.

Just for shits and giggles Mate.

Mick

[PZG302]

Ebay or gumtree you might get the price you have put in on for, never know your luck in a big city....

[44014]

Not true. In the 1970s I was involved in a research study on The Ultraviolet Degradation of Seatbelt Webbing. Webbing samples were exposed in the open, and under glass, at sites all over NSW ,e.g. Broken Hill, Mt Kosciuszko, for several years and when tested in the laboratory. The result indicated no strength degrading..

 

The photo in post #1 shows harness date 2012, does that indicate an expiry date of 2022?

The webbing may not, but i can tell you that the thread used to stitch them togerher certainly does.

[PeterAllen]

That's a good point as we only tested the webbing. In most instances the webbing faded where it rested on the top of the rear seatback - this is in the days of fixed (non-retracting) belts - so the stitching was rarely exposed to direct sunlight. There is much less exposure these days with retractors.

[dat2kman]

Funnily, or, stupidly,,,

You can rock up to any speed event, ( not racing) and as long as your 40 year old belts still have the original AS35 approval sewn on tag, or the antiquated latch has it engraved upon it, and they cant knock you back from competing.

Same applies for those early horrid thin black webbing strap type 3 point "racing harness" as sold by many speed shops in the 70's/80's, that also had the Australian Standards number on them, with no date of expiry.