chris240 Posted August 23, 2008 Posted August 23, 2008 top effort for a 72 mazda...this will set record price. has 65 bids when I checked !! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Original-1972-Mazda-Rotary-12A-RX3-SAVANNA-GT_W0QQitemZ320286677082QQihZ011QQcategoryZ2030QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 23, 2008 Administrators Posted August 23, 2008 My word, I thought $30k maybe $35k when I saw it. This is certainly a unique car though from the description. I wonder what impact this will have on the Japanese Collector car market. I think I did the right thing building www.vintagejdm.com looks like Japanese classic cars are at an all time high in terms of popularity. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 23, 2008 Administrators Posted August 23, 2008 Oh and hang on to those early Zeds Quote
Moderators Zedman240® Posted August 24, 2008 Moderators Posted August 24, 2008 I guess that's where the bidding would've started if that was a 432Z on eBay....You don't see many of the RX3 coupes on the road nowadays... Quote
sydney mike Posted August 24, 2008 Posted August 24, 2008 I see more RX3's around here than S30 zeds, but can't be sure if they're really 808 mock-ups. Also they're usually highly modified, not many stock. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 24, 2008 Administrators Posted August 24, 2008 I guess that's where the bidding would've started if that was a 432Z on eBay....You don't see many of the RX3 coupes on the road nowadays... Yes but I don't know of any outside of Japan. I see more RX3's around here than S30 zeds, but can't be sure if they're really 808 mock-ups. Also they're usually highly modified, not many stock. So true there all modified big wheels and all. I never see any stock ones on the road anymore. I used to see at least a few but they have all disappeared and as you say could be 808 mockup's. I personally wouldn't mind owning a 808 coupe, if I was going to modify it anyway that is. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 24, 2008 Administrators Posted August 24, 2008 Just wondering, anyone wonder if they are dummy bids on this car? I find it hard to believe someone would pay $60k for this car, simply because it ain't concourse condition. Its good condition, and a good looking car, but did any come in black standard? Quote
nat0_240_chevZ Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 Just wondering, anyone wonder if they are dummy bids on this car? I find it hard to believe someone would pay $60k for this car, simply because it ain't concourse condition. Its good condition, and a good looking car, but did any come in black standard? CONCOURSE this!!!!!, worth it all day long, shut your pie hole, if my z was in this gooda original condition i would ask for more!!! you and your derogative remarks about others cars really gets on the nerves of some. give your opinion fine, but dont be treading over a car you know little about, i would pay 60k for that car, if i had the cash!!! and if i was more a mazda man. there is more than life than just caring about if a badge or wheel is not as it came from the factory. you find me a better original car!!!!! cmon i dare ya to. nat0 (sick of hearing about ones views on what is and isnt a concourse winner, which doesent help for prices of our cars either, having the 'main mod' always downing them.) Quote
RBZ 260 Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 the car looks very original and im sure serious bidders would check the car out in person before paying so much money.Keep in mind this is a Jap import top of the line RX3 not a oz spec rx3. even in Japan these would demand big $$$. Mazdas expecialy rx3 fetch big money. this being the GT savanna in original condition doesnt suprise me the current price. just the rear lights for these things fetch well over 2K. if u can find them that is last time ive seen them was few years ago. there are lot of bids with lot of different bidders. if price is correct or dummy bids i guess we find out if it ever comes up on ebay again. like nato said if i had the money i would buy this unique car. as it will only increase in value. im i nissan nutter but i do like my early 2 door mazdas as well. Quote
reverendzed Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 I'm surprised that nat0_240_chevZ didn't write his entire diatribe in CAPS cause it sure sounded like he was yellin! all I can say is 'chill'. It's a car, it's someone's opinion,it's what one likes and another doesn't whether it's the 'main mod' or not is irrelevant as far as I am aware Gav doesn't lose his right to speak because he is the moderator and he certainly didn't let his 'opinion' become personal. I enjoy the advise, banter and even some of Lurch's tongue in cheek humor but the way that you have written Nat0 is in my opinion a little harsh. Only my thoughts....I could always shut my piehole too! Rev. Quote
stevo_gj Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 I'm sure Gav didn't intend to come across as bagging on the car and causing grief, in fact i'm pretty sure from the way he wrote his post he was trying to avoid that. I think saying you don't want to hear peoples opinions if they differ from your own on a public forum is a bit silly really. I also do not believe that this forum has any effect whatsoever on the prices of Zs. They sell/don't sell on ebay, carsales and in the paper regardless of whether we see them and discuss them. Sorry to disagree with you Nato, this isn't an attack on you just replying to your post. Quote
ozy Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 i dont think anyone is ragging on this car. its not my cup of tea at all (so maybe im ragging ), so i have no knowledge of what these can fetch or what they deserve. $60000 is €35000, which sounds a lot. maybe this particular one has a special history, maybe one bidder was a previous owner and wants it back really bad. i dont know. but it seems to be an extreme price considering the abuse i got for what i paid for my Z and i was nowhere near this price and mine is in great condition. i think i understand where nato is coming from as so many people are quick to pick apart a motor and find all kinds of annoying discrepancies that only matter to anal folks. now, although they have their place, some can be a bit over the top in their righteousness of perfection and purity and just shit all over anything less. think we need to cool off here... so heres a smiley man in sunglasses Quote
chris240 Posted August 26, 2008 Author Posted August 26, 2008 congratulations to the seller and the buyer. looks like the final sale price was around $60,000-62,000-ish.. Ive had an original untouched RX3 coupe....the savanah GT was the bees knees ! This car looked mint as it only had 40,000km's if I recall. I hope it wont find its way back to Japan.... Quote
nat0_240_chevZ Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 yea congrats to the seller and the purchasee' im sure this will only appreciate in value in time to come, a true classic jap coupe. as per my above posts, it wasnt meant to be an attack on having an opinion, but moreso to the banter and sledging which i often see here by 'some'. sure if someone is dreaming i too will have stab, but in the case of a tru fullfilled auction, the buyers determine the cars worth. not the seller. i just have too often seen an underhanded sledgeor two here which begins to make some of the attitudes here much like some of these rotor, commy boys and other forums, i thought we were all open minded and respected each others views, no ONE view is right but nor should anyone force theirs upon others, concourse is gavs view but not mine, makes it sound like a car is only worth anything of value if its a show winner. this is untrue and should not deter, effect or sway buyers(or anyone else for that matter). I do apologise for my quick to bite response, but maybe it was also on gavs part alack of understanding or knowledge of what he was refering to, but this is the case of the black spider. (ie all spiders are black because thats the one you have seen.....untill you see a green or an orange spider.) as said above re: the savanah gt, this was the shislick of models back then, much like the phase 3 foulcoons of our history, i dont aggre with their prices etc, but you have no choice but to accept them, buyer demand!! nat0 Quote
zedevan Posted August 26, 2008 Posted August 26, 2008 concourse is gavs view but not mine have you seen gav's car and heard his intentions for it??? my interpretation of what gav was saying is for a car who's selling price was assumingly reflected by the fact it was "in its original condition" with low kms (and therefore probably not a car anyone would ever use as a daily, maybe not even a weekender), it is not a full on 'concourse' winning car, hence the question. but from what i remember reading on the auction it was the original paint so they must of come in black from the factory, and was one of 200 or so, which would explain the $$$ although many of us may prefer to see a car that hasn't been restored and is in its natural beauty, i have read how picky some of the examiners get! Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 26, 2008 Administrators Posted August 26, 2008 CONCOURSE this!!!!!, worth it all day long, shut your pie hole, if my z was in this gooda original condition i would ask for more!!! Good for you and you could be waiting months to sell a Z at $50K +. Just look at this Z for example: http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,2877.0.html you and your derogative remarks about others cars really gets on the nerves of some. Some or just you? Derogative remarks? Feel free to quote me on what you think is derogative. To be honest I have nothing but praise for the Mazda above, I was more astounded that people were willing to shell out that kind of coin for one. $60k is alot of cash and I know of another RX3 that was immaculate / show car and he was selling at $45k still took a couple of months to finally sell it too. Most RX3's I see are in the $20,000 - $35,000 range and they have had serios money thrown at them. Granted this is a rare car and my knowledge of early Rotaries is extremely limited. Part of which is because there are not really any good resources on these cars. Hence the reason I built www.vintagejdm.com give your opinion fine, but dont be treading over a car you know little about, i would pay 60k for that car, if i had the cash!!! and if i was more a mazda man. Your right, I do know little about Mazda's and RX3's. But I am eager to learn and I do think they are great cars. Infact I wanted one when I was looking at Z's over 6-7 years ago. It just so happened I bought a Z. there is more than life than just caring about if a badge or wheel is not as it came from the factory. you find me a better original car!!!!! cmon i dare ya to. I did see a very tidy RX3 not a Savanna and not as unique as this, but all the same very clean and original 10A front and low km's. It was on Trademe.co.nz asking price was $30k NZ. I thought it was reasonable. In fact I'm all about promoting the value of Zeds and without blowing my own trumpet here I think that this site has only helped increase interest in Zeds around Australia, we get over 13,000 visitors per month to this site, here and around the world. Why would I spend countless hours maintaining the site, writing articles for the front page, replying to questions, replying to emails, dealing with jerks who are trying to push legal action for our members comments on some workshop etc.. if I didn't have these cars and other Japanese cars interest at heart? Not to mention that web hosting has been funded by me (with the help of donations received from members - thank you to those who donate!). Don't forget your welcome to start your own website where you can express your opinion. I give mine and I welcome yours and others. Doesn't mean I think I am any more right than you or that my opinion counts more. Frankly I'm sick of seeing cars listed for sale where people try passing off a 260z 2 seater shell as a 240z or where people claim cars are original where they are clearly not. To you it might not matter if its a 260z 2 seater or a 240z, but to me it does. Just like the car above it obviously matters that its original and a special edition, if someone tried to pass off a normal RX3 as a Savanna what would you say? It doesn't matter? I'd rather add my own comments so those who "are not in the know", are more informed. I'm not a concourse expert, but I know they are extremely picky as Zedevan stated above and serious car collectors buy cars that win concourse trophies for that very reason. Even though I'm not a Mazda expert the car in question above had some minor flaws. Notice I said minor. nat0 (sick of hearing about ones views on what is and isnt a concourse winner, which doesent help for prices of our cars either, having the 'main mod' always downing them.) Frankly I'm flattered that you think my opinion carries so much weight in the Z-World. If I had listened to what others said when I wanted a Z I would have never bought one. I was told there too old, not worth the money, don't bother etc.. By close friends and even relatives. If a buyer wants a car, they will buy it and pay a price that its worth to them. At the end of the day if you have problems with the way I run this website there are many ways to get in contact with me PM / Email / Website Feedback section. Telling me to just "shut my piehole" is counter-productive and down-right rude. And it is you who is conveying the attitude of so many other "automotive forums", not I. I think what I've said is fair. Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 26, 2008 Administrators Posted August 26, 2008 yea congrats to the seller and the purchasee' im sure this will only appreciate in value in time to come, a true classic jap coupe. as per my above posts, it wasnt meant to be an attack on having an opinion, but moreso to the banter and sledging which i often see here by 'some'. sure if someone is dreaming i too will have stab, but in the case of a tru fullfilled auction, the buyers determine the cars worth. not the seller. i just have too often seen an underhanded sledgeor two here which begins to make some of the attitudes here much like some of these rotor, commy boys and other forums, i thought we were all open minded and respected each others views, no ONE view is right but nor should anyone force theirs upon others, concourse is gavs view but not mine, makes it sound like a car is only worth anything of value if its a show winner. this is untrue and should not deter, effect or sway buyers(or anyone else for that matter). I do apologise for my quick to bite response, but maybe it was also on gavs part alack of understanding or knowledge of what he was refering to, but this is the case of the black spider. (ie all spiders are black because thats the one you have seen.....untill you see a green or an orange spider.) as said above re: the savanah gt, this was the shislick of models back then, much like the phase 3 foulcoons of our history, i dont aggre with their prices etc, but you have no choice but to accept them, buyer demand!! nat0 You completely contradict yourself. I can't even be bothered replying. Although I do thank you for your apology if it was directed at me? Quote
ozy Posted August 27, 2008 Posted August 27, 2008 @gav240z: be a bit more graceful, he lost the rag and came back on it and even said he apologised which is more than what id say after losing the head. weve all been there. both of ye had good points, now kiss and make up! Quote
Administrators gav240z Posted August 27, 2008 Administrators Posted August 27, 2008 @gav240z: be a bit more graceful, he lost the rag and came back on it and even said he apologised which is more than what id say after losing the head. weve all been there. both of ye had good points, now kiss and make up! lol, no harm done honestly. As they say in Ireland "fair play to ya", which directly translates into Aussie as "no worries mate". Quote
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