zeds4ever Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Just about set to take my 75/260 coupe for Blue slip, checked out with the guy I was intending to take it to & he has given me to understand that because I have fitted a L28 motor that I will require a Engnrs crtfcte , he said that I should get in touch with the RTA to confirm this. I'm wondering if any of the NSW fella's can enlighten me about this. I was under the impression that because I was using the L28 that I was inside the requirements of increasing engine size under 15% & therefore this would be acceptable. He also stated that I should take the spoke wheels off that I have fitted & put a stndrd set on to pass this reqrmnt. Regards : Alan. Quote
Moderators Zedman240® Posted January 31, 2011 Moderators Posted January 31, 2011 You shouldn't need a Eng Cert for the L28 swap. I've been told that Nissan have approved the fitment of the L28 into the zed series of cars (240-260) as no modifications are necessary to fit. There has been a discussion about this on the forum before. Quote
Scoota G Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 You shouldn't need a Eng Cert for the L28 swap. I've been told that Nissan have approved the fitment of the L28 into the zed series of cars (240-260) as no modifications are necessary to fit. There has been a discussion about this on the forum before. Yes it was that young fella from Geelong i believe. Quote
dalee Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Nissan factory approved the fitment of all L-series motors into all the earlier z series cars back in the 1980s. If your guy is 20 years behind the rules or is that unfamiliar with these cars, then it might just be easier to go else were. After all its his job to know the rules, that is what you are paying him for its not your job ....... These car have been around a long time and if he has not come across one or knows someone in the industy to ask he's probably a crummydoor/fix or repair daily specialiest. Quote
zeds4ever Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Thanks Fella's, if Nissan approved the L28 engine swap where can I get this information directly from them on paper . As I can then show this to him & the RTA if reqrd. By the way is he correct abt the wheels. Regards : Alan. Quote
Scoota G Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Hey this is the thread that may help. http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,7086.0.html Quote
camZ Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 Hi Alan, It was us that had the problem with Vicroads. We overcame it with satisfying regulation 8 which allows for engine swap of similar size motor. We then gave them info I downloaded showing a 7% increase in horsepower and workshop manual for the 280z and other stuff. I have tried to upload this info onto this forum but when scanning the doc's the file was too large. I am happy to email or fax to anyone who would like. Quote
PeterAllen Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 NSW has its own regulations. http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_2007.pdf I read this to imply upgrading a 260 with a 280 engine is a 'minor modification', i.e >15%. I find it always best to phone the RTA's technical enquiries and writedown what the officer says - and ask for their name. Don't rely on what 'a mate of my mate's cousin reckons'! (edit) Oops... meant to type '< 15%'. Quote
zeds4ever Posted February 1, 2011 Author Posted February 1, 2011 Thanks Peter, this is what I am seeking some NSW input. No offence to the other states but NSW RTA seem to think that they are the answer to everything. Have been given to understand that the L28 can go into a 260 but not a 240 because of weight variation of the 240 was 10kilo's under RTA reqrmnts .Apparently Nissan was able to get the change sanctioned by the Brains Trust for the 260 was simply because the L28 could be bolted in with standard set up. With regards to previous forums have read up on most I could find but found that most were Vic orientated. Hence the post for NSW input. Anyway thanks for all your input Fella's at least it gives me sense of hope. Going to get stuck into the RTA next to see what words of wisdom they come up with. Watch for the next exciting installment of "The Zed" rego inquisition. LOL. Regards : Alan. Quote
PeterAllen Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 ...Have been given to understand that the L28 can go into a 260 but not a 240 because of weight variation of the 240 was 10kilo's under RTA reqrmnts... Alan - a 280 cannot go into a 240 as a 'minor modification' as it is an increase of 16.6%, i.e.>15%. A 280 can go into a 240 with an Engineer Approved 'major modification. ...Going to get stuck into the RTA next ... In the course of my project I've got to know a few guys at the RTA and they are qualified mechanics and car enthusiasts. They don't make the rules they just tell you what they are - Pollies and senior bureaucrats make the rules, usually in response to hysteria from a media beat up. The guys on the front desk cop it from all directions so if you confront them with 'an attitude' you will get what's coming to you. AND make it hard for others! Quote
zeds4ever Posted February 1, 2011 Author Posted February 1, 2011 Sorry Pete if you miss understood my meaning of getting stuck in. My attitude is lay back with a great degree of tolerance. I am going to approach them cap in hand & a big smile. I worked in a similar area for thirty three years so I know where your coming from. She'll be right mate trust me. Regards : Alan. Quote
Paulo Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Hi Alan, Hope all goes well with the RTA, and my question is... when they say yes to looking favourably on the 280 engine, is there anything the guy issuing the "blue" slip needs to have from them to allow him to process his side of things? After the blue slip is issued, does he then prepare the "pink" slip also for RTA purposes? I'll be going through this soon (LOL) and being a N S Welshman, an a bit out of the loop as what is required. (my apologies to other state forum viewers re blue and pink slips, just the way the RTA identify things.) Paul Quote
maddos Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Paul. The blue slip is in place of the pink slip. You wont need both. Quote
zeds4ever Posted February 3, 2011 Author Posted February 3, 2011 Spoke with a RTA technical adviser today . His advice was that the NSW RTA has no problem with the engine swap as it is under the 15% increase requirements , he stated that I could increase motor size up to 3.4 Ltrs & this would be acceptable providing there were no Turbo's ,etc included in the swap. There is no Engnrng certfcte reqrd for this. He knew nothing about the Nissan information regards this matter, perhaps they dont refer back to the eighties. Will forward email to RTA tonight to get it in print hopefully. Regards : Alan. Quote
zeds4ever Posted February 4, 2011 Author Posted February 4, 2011 Sent email off & received PDF back as my reply. With the advice that I should have consulted a Engnr before starting engine change, Typical RTA response. I then sent a reply back to this stating that seeing I pay rego ,etc. And that the RTA was a govt body that they could be a little more personal & provide info for free. Recd more favorable info back with the advice that if I wanted any ADR's info I would have to contact the Govt body that handles these & they will provide a CD at my cost as the RTA dont own them. Rather strange dont you think. But the best knews was that all's well that ends well. Oh & don't worry Pete I sent them a nice thank you response back. Ha Ha . Regards : Alan. Quote
Wayne G Posted February 4, 2011 Posted February 4, 2011 Guys I am in QLD so tell me to be quiet, but an engineers cert is inexpensive here, and that is if the girls at transport even notice. I only paid $100 for my last one and that included brakes, engine, diff, gearbox and suspension. (R33) The ADR are available from COMLAW.ORG however they do not address what you are talking about, the national code of practice covers vehicle modifications in QLD and I assume that national means that, national. It is QLD though, we have strange law makers. I have both on disc, PM for offsite backup. Where you come unstuck is when the engineer makes you comply with the emmision control for the vehicle the engine is sourced from, when going to newer model engine. As I type this I wonder, what emmision controls are there on the patrol? Being commercial type I would expect much less. Quote
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