aegean Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Is there any information available on production numbers and dates of production ? My '74 2 + 2 has a VIN of GRS30 000692, which I guess is failrly early on in the production, but the plate is quite difficult to read - I am guessing that is reads 02/74. Is anyone able to verify this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddos Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Wow that is early. Have you registered on WA z forum. They have a bit of section where you put in your car details. Yours would be the earliest 260 2+2 on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Camouflage Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Which plate are you looking at? There should be the Nissan ID tag, which wont have any dates on it. Then the re's the Compliance plate which will have a month/year date on it. Also you can compare engine numbers to the dates on the USA Z car register, as all the engine numbers were unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris240 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 yep, check out www.wazregister.com chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 10, 2007 Author Share Posted November 10, 2007 These the two plates you mean ? I have listed it on the WA register, but couldn't find the US site you mentioned - at least, not one that has any 260's on it. Do you have a link for the site you mean ? The engine number is L26 093773. Is anyone reproducing the Nissan type plate ? If not, I might get my contact in Germany to reproduce them as I have them reproduced for early Mercedes. UPDATE: Still can't find anything that relates to dates relative to engine numbers, but I did find one site that indicates the 260 2+ 2 was produced from October '73 to Aug '74, with chassis numbers from 000001 to 015000. Based on 11 months production, at an average of 1364 per month, this should put mine as being produced in the first month of production i.e. Oct '73, but it would be nice to be able to verify it. Does Nissan have something like a Classic Centre or an archive that you can write to for details ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR260 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 werent the the 260 2+2 produced upto late 1978 or even 1979? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyDropbear Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 but I did find one site that indicates the 260 2+ 2 was produced from October '73 to Aug '74 I think they are the US figures. The US only got the 260z for a year or two before they replaced it with the 280z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 11, 2007 Author Share Posted November 11, 2007 This is where I got the dates and serial numbers from: http://www.300zx.cl/ga/300zx/images/serial%20number%20Datsun%20Z%20Car.htm and this is where I got the production numbers from. This is for all 260's for 1974 (62,961 produced - 54,026 exported) and I presume that the coupe production was considerably greater than the 2 + 2. This seems to match up pretty well to the table, which totals 53,451. Not sure where the other 500 went ! Interesting that Australia and the UK received more 2 + 2's than anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris240 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Wow, thats very early...on the WAZ register, chassis GRS30 -005213 is a 1/75 ie No 213...Im stumped as to your production no. The 000692 is strange.. chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Don't you mean it is 5213, not 213 ? If so, then that would make mine about right, being one year earlier. It seems clear from the compliance plate what the number is, but maybe I need to check the documents that came with the car as well - as well as the Nissan body plate, which isn't clear as the hose is in the way. Unfortunately the car is in storage so not so easy to get to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrumpy Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I have a 260Z with an Australian compliance plate dated 6/76. I have a body number of 10230. It has an early 260Z body. I have checked the USA VIN sheets which lists the production of my Z as being between 8/73 and 8/74. Did this means the body of my Z sat around for quite a while before/after it came to Australia. How does this compare to the Z series in the USA? In 1976 the USA had the 280Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris240 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Ive just looked at the Waz register again, 1974 appears to be all over the place, (out of my league) the chassis no's are confussing. I reckon the 2 on your pic is actually a "7" ...I doubt they could have built 692 cars in 2 months. But then....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think you are right about the 7/74, but that is the date it was complianced. I read somewhere that they were often put into storage after production (not necessarily just Zed's) and were shipped out pretty much at random - in other words, not FIFO (first in, first out). Looks like I am going to have to get the torch out and check the number stamped on the chassis. Not sure where you got Aug '73 from. I could only find Oct '73, which seems to fit in the with the end of the 240. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrumpy Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I got the Aug 1973 date from the shortcut listed above: http://www.300zx.cl/ga/300zx/images/serial%20number%20Datsun%20Z%20Car.htm Within this site there is another link which links VIN/chassis numbers to production dates. Very informative site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 I see now where you are getting the date from, but this is for the 260, not the 2 + 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrumpy Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 It lists chassis numbers for the 260Z 2+2 from 10/73 to 11/74. Your chassis number should fall between the date ranges listed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 I think we are going around in circles here ! That's what I said below. On the other link I provided, it also gave the chassis number range, and that is how I calculated that mine must have been produced in the first month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Camouflage Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Looks like 7/74 to me. Other places to look for dates are on the tags on the seat belts, or so I've heard. The engine number looks to high to be a 2/74. Lets clear a few things up. You cant compare RHD (Aussie) and LHD (USA) chassis numbers directly. The numbering systems ran in parallel for both types of cars. Meaning that there was a rhd GRS30 00692, and a GRLS30 00692 both made at different times. (and there would also be JDM variants with the same number). For 240z they can be months to a year apart. For example. A guy over here has car HS30 00501. He looked at the US sites and though he had the first car made in 1970, but that was actually HLS30 00501. His 501 was made in 1971. The date on the compliance plate is the closest thing we can by, since our cars weren't required to have build dates on them like the USA cars did. Aussie 260z were made up to 1978. The info on the wazregister is anecdotal at best. Unless I get people to send me photos of their compliance plates and id tags, I cant verify the details they are entering onto the wazregister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 12, 2007 Author Share Posted November 12, 2007 Well, that sort of clears that up, but what sort of numbering system is that ! At least with my Mercedes everything is sequential and they keep all the records of build dates, back to car number 1. I have written to Nissan Australia seeking further information so will see if they reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZeder Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 The following information is for a Factory Nissan parts catalog I have (Final edition printed in 1979) overall length (mm) 4,136=240z 4,115=260z 2seater 4,425=260z 2+2 overall width (mm) 1,630=240z/260z 2 seater 1,650=260z 2+2 overall height (mm) 1,286=240z 1,280=260z 2seat 1,290=260z 2+2 wheel base (mm) 2,305=240z/260z 2 seat 2,605=260z 2+2 tread --- Front (mm) 1,356=240z 1,355=260z both --- Rear (mm) 1,347=240z 1,345=260z both Here are the production figures also 240z=HS30(A)(U)(Q) Applied Date Oct69-May71=00003-00500 Jan71-Aug71=00501-01500 Sep71-Jun72=01501-14000 Jul72-Jul73=14001-101537 260z 2 seater=RS30(A)(U)(Q)(M) Applied Date Aug73-Aug74=000001-005000 Sep74-Jul75=005001-010000 Aug75-Jul76=010001-015000 Aug76-Aug77=015001-021000 Sep77-Jun78=021001-021384 260z 2+2 seater=GRS30(A)(U)(Q)(M) Applied Date Oct73-Aug74=000001-005000 Sep74-Jul75=005001-010000 Aug 75-Jul76=010001-015000 Aug76-Aug77=015001-021000 Sep77-Jun78=021001-021767 So a 260z either in 2 seater or 2+2 form is a rarer car than a 240z I don't know the production figures for the LHD/US market cars (I will see if I can find out) or the JDM S30 and S31 range. This info might help you when looking for parts for your 240/260z as you can work out the production year from the chassis number Smile Cheers Mike EDIT - US Production figures 240z=HLS30(F)(A)(U)(V)(N) Applied Date: Oct69-May70=000013-021000 Jan71-Aug71=021001-046000 Sep71-Jun72=046001-120000 Jul72-Jul73=120001-172732 260z 2 seater=RLS30(F)(A)(U)(V)(N) Applied Date: Aug73-Aug74=000001-060000 Sep74-Nov74=060001-200000 260z 2+2=GRLS30(F)(A)(U)(V)(N) Applied Date: Oct73-Aug74=000001-015000 Sep74-Nov74=015000-060000 280z 2 seater=HLS30(F)(A)(U)(V)(N) Applied Date: Dec74-Jul75=200001-270000 Aug75-Jul76=270001-350000 Aug76-Jul77=350001-420000 Aug77-Jun78=420001-470009 280z 2+2=GHLS30(F)(A)(U)(V)(N) Applied Date: Dec74-Jul75=000001-030000 Aug75-Jul76=030001-060000 Aug76-Jul77=060001-110000 Aug77-Jun78=110001-124742 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8Datto Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Did all 240z's come with compliance plates? I seen some early one's were there missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris240 Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 so was the last aussie complianced 240z a July 73 then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aegean Posted November 13, 2007 Author Share Posted November 13, 2007 Based on those figures, it would then appear that mine was produced in November 1973, if the average of 454 per month is applied. What do the numbers in brackets represent beside the model number - GRS30(A)(U)(Q)(M)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyDropbear Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I believe that the letters in brackets beside the model number are for Nissan's internal use only, to distinguish between various models. They may be (not sure) for representing different markets where the chassis was to be sent. However, I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZeder Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 I believe that the letters in brackets beside the model number are for Nissan's internal use only, to distinguish between various models. They may be (not sure) for representing different markets where the chassis was to be sent. However, I could be wrong. Correct I will lookup the book later and edit this post - but going by memory U = RHD (general spec), A = Auto, M = Australian and Q = Europe Both my zed NZ new 240z and Naru new 260z are U general RHD spec and are slightly different to the M = Oz spec cars I have seen here in NZ EDIT: my memory is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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