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#41 gav240z

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:53 AM

Early Fender Mirror Photos for Reference.

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Thanks to Craig for sharing these photos.


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Posted 04 June 2014 - 11:31 PM

The ones I bought a month or so ago from eBay are extremely similar in every single way, I'd love to get a shot of them side by side as the only difference I can spot is that the base of mine is rounded at the front compared to the chisel point of the above photos.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:11 PM

Bump. So I found this on Yahoo! Auctions a couple of weeks ago and thought it was an AU market drivers side mirror. Now that I got it home I am wondering if it's actually a fender mirror?

I took some photos for reference. (sadly my 240z driver side mirror for the red 72 240z is in Melbourne so I can't compare, but it seems the angle of the stalk on this 1 is longer and more angled to the right (away from driver side). It's not a US market mirror because the angle would be totally wrong for the other side of the car and flipping the mirror would make it look plain wrong.

Anyway it came in this bag.
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That looks like a Nissan part no. to me? 25360-N4400 - but I'm not sure if anyone can cross reference it?

Here is is offered up to the door.
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I think this photos shows that it seems to extend out further right than I would expect.

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The purple is a form of protective plastic on it, it peels off - which makes me think it could be NOS?

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Notice the angle it's droops downward.

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Offered up to the fender.
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It was listed as a right hand Hakosuka / S30z mirror.

It almost seems like it would be more suitable as a fender mirror.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 04:26 PM

25360-n4400 is a door/dome light switch part number see attached sample.

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Posted 19 August 2014 - 05:41 PM

Hi Gav, I too was interested in staying as close to as original as I could find, so in #283, I went with the look as you have shown it... (excuse the later model hubcaps, was playing around with the look of the car). I did so on the basis of the fender mirrors on #4 as evidence that the car came out in the period with this style of fender mirror. I have had comments from people along the lines of why I used a non authentic fender mirror, but have photo evidence. I am yet to see an Australian delivered car with fender mirrors with the bullet style, despite the general perception that Z cars only came out with them.

Cheers, Jarrod.

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Posted 06 September 2015 - 08:06 PM

So I'm in the market for some fender mirrors and I was having a little look on Ebay and found this

 

http://www.ebay.com....=item48824c268e

 

Which I thought looked like the mirrors pictured above

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I'm getting increasingly interested in just getting standard door mirrors, any suggestions for some nice chrome ones?

 



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Posted 06 September 2015 - 08:25 PM

They are similar, but not quite the same. I have managed to find a genuine pair of OEM mirrors (AU market style). Also have the later bullet style ones that were fitted to cars from 71 onwards.



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Posted 28 February 2016 - 09:39 PM

So I think these are AU market fender mirrors. What is interesting is I don't find these part no.s in the AU market microfiche.

 

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Only 1 part no.

96302-A0800

 

But usually the other side is 1 number away. So I am guessing the right hand side is

96301-A0800



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Posted 10 March 2016 - 07:53 PM

Merged a couple of threads on this topic. I also found a couple of other discussions on it. As you can see a lot of confusion here:

http://www.classiczc...fitment/?page=1

 

I think in part because the AU parts manuals don't specify the mirrors we see on early cars. Perhaps because the parts manual was updated in 1977/8 and as a result they omitted the old mirror part no.?

 

I do find it interesting that Nissan decided to fit these mirrors when exporting to our market and not use the regular bullet style mirrors? Perhaps it was a cost cutting exercise? Or perhaps like fenders that had no side repeaters installed it was just the way they wanted to present the cars in our market. But somewhere into the 71 model range Nissan appears to have switched briefly to the JDM market mirrors before going to the single door mirror like the North American markets had, but moulded specifically for RHD.

 

Here is some footage circa 1972. (1:50 mins in)

 

You can just see the 240z in the background with the fender mirror on it like the Japanese Market had. I've attached a photo incase the video is ever removed and no longer works.[

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http://www.geocities...047/mirror.html

 

Since Geocities is as reliable as a Chocolate Teapot I have copied some images here.

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A few notes, the 43.9 means 1969 and 9th Month. 44=70 and so on. It appears these mirrors were also fitted to lower spec Skyline's of the same era.



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Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:02 PM


 

A few notes, the 43.9 means 1969 and 9th Month. 44=70 and so on. It appears these mirrors were also fitted to lower spec Skyline's of the same era.

 

The Skyline (and Bluebird) IKI mirrors look similar to the Fairlady Z mirrors, but they have a different stalk length/angle.

 

The Fairlady Z type IKI mirrors have a unique (long) stalk and angle. All the parts except the stalks are the same.



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Posted 11 March 2016 - 01:08 PM

The Skyline (and Bluebird) IKI mirrors look similar to the Fairlady Z mirrors, but they have a different stalk length/angle.

 

The Fairlady Z type IKI mirrors have a unique (long) stalk and angle. All the parts except the stalks are the same.

 

Hey Alan,

I referring to the flat style fender mirrors, more so than the bullet style ones.

 

Any ideas behind why Nissan used the flat mirrors on early 240z's in our market and apparently no other global market? Like I mentioned previously it appears the flat mirrors are missing from the Nissan Australia Parts Manuals. There is no part no. listed and no graphical representation of these in the manuals.

 

I'm attaching 2 pdf's here.

 

Attached File  AU-Door-Mirrors-Part-Manual.pdf   62.42KB   55 downloads

Attached File  AU-Fender-Mirrors-Part-Manual.pdf   72.64KB   91 downloads

 

96301-E4100 is the part no. for the RH side door mirror (listed as European and probably why North American's have a habit of referring to everything as being 'euro' spec).

 

96301-E4100 RH Fender mirror black
96302-E4100 LH Fender mirror black
 
These are I believe the same as the JDM mirror part no. for S30Z's and has OP next to it (Optional Part).
 
NB: The manuals at the bottom say revised December 1979.
 
So I wonder if earlier manuals would have had these part no's?


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Posted 11 March 2016 - 07:44 PM

 

Hey Alan,

I referring to the flat style fender mirrors, more so than the bullet style ones.

 

Any ideas behind why Nissan used the flat mirrors on early 240z's in our market and apparently no other global market? Like I mentioned previously it appears the flat mirrors are missing from the Nissan Australia Parts Manuals. There is no part no. listed and no graphical representation of these in the manuals.

 

 

Yes, sorry. I see that now. My post was in reference to the bullet-on-stalk type mirrors only.

 

The flat (wing) mirrors for Australia thing has always struck me as looking like either a local compliance issue or a decision made by the Australian side of the equation. Maybe somebody high up in Nissan Australia pty simply didn't like the Japanese market mirrors? It might be worth seeking out somebody who used to be in a management position and asking them a few questions?

 

Growing up in England in the 60s and 70s, the flat wing-mounted type mirrors were common on all sorts of cars - especially British 'porridge' type family cars - so they seem quite familiar to my eye. Maybe the same worked in Australia, and they didn't look so *strange* as the bullet-on-stalk Japan market type?

 

 

As far as the parts lists go, I have the full size R-DRIVE parts manuals that cover the Australian market too. The first one gives the same part number for the bullet-on-stalk type (pretty much same diagram as your pdf too), calls them OP parts, and no mention of the flat wing mirrors or the door mirrors.

 

Second manual - dated 1974 - covers the HS30 but also the RS30 and GRS30, and has a different illustration for the OP bullet-on-stalk mirrors for the HS30 and a similar (but different) illustration for the bullet-on-stalk (same part numbers) as an OP on the RS30, but also lists the following:

 

*96301-N3400 ASSY-BACK MIRROR OUTSIDE RH - OP 

*96302-N3400 ASSY-BACK MIRROR OUTSIDE LH - OP

 

...although there's no illustration of them. Same is repeated for the GRS30. The March 1974 manual update lists a LH door mirror for the RS30 (no part number!) and RH door mirror for the GRS30 (96302-E8800 - ASSY-BACK MIRROR DOOR OUTSIDE - OP. AUSTRALIA). 

 

Have you come across those part numbers before?



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Posted 11 March 2016 - 08:52 PM

 

Have you come across those part numbers before?

 

Only in this thread here:

http://www.classiczc...&comment=135797

 

The PDFs I sent are the only ones I have for AU market cars in terms of part numbers and specifications.

 

My guess is that like you say maybe it was a Nissan Australia issue or Australian Design Regulation (ADRs) rule that forced the mirror change / rules. The bullet style ones are quite heavy as you know and perhaps were viewed as pedestrian hazards and maybe the flat style were seen as less damaging in an impact with a pedestrian?

 

There is a lot of items listed in the AU parts manual as OP, like hazard switch, heated rear screen, fog lights etc.. Most 240z's sold here certainly didn't have those items. I always found it odd we didn't get them hazard switch in particular.



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Posted 11 March 2016 - 09:11 PM


My guess is that like you say maybe it was a Nissan Australia issue or Australian Design Regulation (ADRs) rule that forced the mirror change / rules. The bullet style ones are quite heavy as you know and perhaps were viewed as pedestrian hazards and maybe the flat style were seen as less damaging in an impact with a pedestrian?

 

 

I would certainly recommend seeking out anybody who used to be in the management structure of Nissan Australia. You might not get to the bottom of the mirror question but it'll be interesting to talk to them about *our* cars and what was going on around that late Sixties to mid Seventies period in general.

 

I've talked to a few people who worked for Datsun Concessionaires UK - the first UK importers - and Datsun UK. Some fascinating stories, and some quite shocking stuff about the first lot (look up the name Octav Botnar...!) and very interesting anecdotes on the business trips to Japan and the whole cultural divide. All the more so considering the war being so recent in the minds of all concerned. Have done the same in Japan wherever possible, and I find the personal stories are very informative and enlightening. 


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 08:25 PM

I saw this advertisement today and got me thinking about what you were saying re: following up with people involved with Datsun's in Australia around that period.

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It looks like Arnold Glass was involved, so I looked up his name on this forum.

 

I see Peter has mentioned him a couple of times.

http://www.viczcar.c...r-buck/?p=50232

http://www.viczcar.c...icles/?p=126752

 

So he may have been responsible for the Zeds becoming available here. Another forum topic here talks about his racing career.

http://forums.autosp...n-arnold-glass/

 

Seems like an interesting fella, will have to find out what happened to him.

 

*Edit unfortunately i'm too late. Died in 2009.

http://www.smh.com.a...2818432538.html

 

Like you said, I'm sure he would have had some very interesting stories to tell.



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Posted 30 March 2016 - 10:50 AM

C10 4 door Skyline with these fender mirrors on Yahoo! Auctions at the moment, saved the photos for future reference though.

 

Also attached some photos of mirrors I recently managed to acquire. Which look correct for an AU market 240z. I believe they were listed as Skyline mirrors like those above for the C10 4 door.

 

So far these have been 1 of the hardest parts to source for restoring an early AU spec 240z.

 

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