Build date - help

[dalee]

Ok, I know I could be opening another can of worms here, and this topic has been done to death so many times over on so many sites, but I have one question.

 

 

Trying to work out an approximate build date for chassis no - HS30 - 00517, Engine no - L24 - 20606, it has no compliance plates in the engine bay like my other 2 z's had.

 

 

From what I have read, and the other early one i had, I believe build date would be a approx - Mar 71

 

 

Does that sould about right to you guys.

[zedrally]

Could be, however without any definitive cross referencing it could also be anywhere between July 70 and Mar 71. This was always going to become a major hurdle in dating early cars.

I could keep writing about this, howver the most definitive thread about it, appeared in ClassicZcar contained in a thread by Kats.

 

Anyone that is interested can sign up there and follow up....

[sjcurtis]

dalee, I have to agree with zedrally dating early HS30- Zeds is really hit and miss unless you can actually have documentation for it.

 

With no compliance plate and the information available I would say the spread is earliest build is probably 12/70 latest 03/71 with a compliance plate date of 04/71.

 

Can you tell me some more about your car, is it pale yellow with black interior and a manual.

 

cheers

 

Steve

[dalee]

Only had the car just on a month now, its a red manual.

 

There is a pale yellow 240 for sale on the WA z club web site #513 is this the one you thinking off.

 

I picked mine up from a farmer were it had been resting in a shed for 10-11 yrs

[Lagavullin]

Based on the data that I have from the Datsun/ Nissan Car office

that the car was built in early 1970, as there records indicate the following

in terms of production

1969 438

1970 17892

1971 41595

1972 61595

1973 34584

1974 1310

 

Given that according to Japan Automobile Federation that construction didnt comence untill Oct 69 with chassis H(L ) 30-00001 and engine number L24 -2001, bearing in mind that the base L24 was used also in other Datsun Models of the era.

 

One other point to remember is that the fittment of compliance plates where in fact optional by the dealer or distributor during this period.

[Mr Camouflage]

Based on the data that I have from the Datsun/ Nissan Car office

that the car was built in early 1970' date=' as there records indicate the following

in terms of production

1969 438

1970 17892

1971 41595

1972 61595

1973 34584

1974 1310

 

Given that according to Japan Automobile Federation that construction didnt comence untill Oct 69 with chassis H(L ) 30-00001 and engine number L24 -2001, bearing in mind that the base L24 was used also in other Datsun Models of the era.

 

One other point to remember is that the fittment of compliance plates where in fact optional by the dealer or distributor during this period.[/quote']

 

Are those figures for HLS30's or HS30's?

 

I concur that the compliance date would be early 1971.

[zedrally]

Once again our american cousins and their build dates are confusing the real numbers.

 

The most definitive information about early build numbers is contained here:

 

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7801&highlight=build+numbers

 

Using the figures Lagavullin posted nearly 160K zeds arrived on our shores. Not likely.....

[Lagavullin]

Given that data quoted was straight from documents ex Datsun/ Nissan and they where exported in to a number of counties apart from Australia and USA including England.

 

Its unfortunate that I dont have the break down from country to country,

 

But MOM, even the data published in Victoria British Catalogue of 2000 is questionable.

[zedrally]

Never seen the VB catelog, most people tend to quote from Carl Beck's site and assume that it covers all S-30 models, (which it doesn't).

 

KAts had the best reliable breakdown (verifiable) of early numbers.

 

I know it's a long thread to read, however at the end of the day it's the best thats available. No one is disputing them....

 

Why not post a scan of the info that you have?

 

MOM

[Mr Camouflage]

Given that data quoted was straight from documents ex Datsun/ Nissan and they where exported in to a number of counties apart from Australia and USA including England.

 

Its unfortunate that I dont have the break down from country to country' date='

 

But MOM, even the data published in Victoria British Catalogue of 2000 is questionable.[/quote']

 

Yep, as I though, they are the figures for HLS30 cars, not HS30 cars.

 

I have the aussie figures somewhere. Its around 3500 240z's in total that came to Australia.

[zedrally]

Given that data quoted was straight from documents ex Datsun/ Nissan and they where exported in to a number of counties apart from Australia and USA including England.

 

Its unfortunate that I dont have the break down from country to country' date='

 

But MOM, even the data published in Victoria British Catalogue of 2000 is questionable.[/quote']

 

Silence? It's been weeks since you made that statement, so you concede that those numbers you quote are "rubbery".

 

Have you given any thoughts about the vehicles that where destined for the UK market that made it here instead?

 

MOM

[eddii]

my apologies for hijacking the thread :oops:

my car has Vin# HS3000204, does it mean that my car was the first 500 production and would it be a 69 model?

[nat0_240_chevZ]

if it were hls30--204 yes.

however it is most likely to be one of the australian delivered 1st 500 as it is 204?

 

69 models were basically all us delivered as it was their main targeted audience.

 

nato

[sjcurtis]

Hi dalee, I was working on the possability of similar colour to 513, as it is very close in production serial. Thanks for the other info on the clour and such. Does yours have indicator lights in the guard.

 

Hi eddi, if it is HS30-000204, I would say you have about 10/70 build Zed, probably arrived in Australia around Christmas 1970. Do you know the data plate engine number, is it fitted. It looks like your Zed has a light colour interior, does it.

 

Does either of these two Zeds have hand throttles next to the choke???.

 

cheers

Steve

[Lagavullin]

No ZedRally I dont concede anything but was awaiting a reply with a level of abstemious logic, as you have now managed to acheive some close to that.

 

Whilst the US, was the primarly objective for Datsun in 1969 in terms of market penetration with the 240, a number of cars did appear for sale in England and to a limited degree in New Zealand as well as a few in to Australia, with the majority of the Australian Cars arriving after Jan 1970 and interestingly there was also a number of English Spec Cars that found their way here also when a shipment was apparently diverted due to industrial disputes in England in late 72."

[Mr Camouflage]

 

Whilst the US' date=' was the primarly objective for Datsun in 1969 in terms of market penetration with the 240, a number of cars did appear for sale in England and to a limited degree in New Zealand as well as a few in to Australia[/quote']

 

Not in 1969 they didn't.

 

Numbers of cars sold in Australia are reported to be:

1970: 319

1971: 894

1972: 362

1973: 783

1974: 442 (2+2): 599

1975: 198 (2+2): 742

1976: 385 (2+2): 1615

1977: 98

[zedrally]

No ZedRally I dont concede anything but was awaiting a reply with a level of abstemious logic' date=' as you have now managed to acheive some close to that.

 

rubbish snipped out...

 

."[/quote']

 

Oh good god, I didn't expect such a verbose response of ditribe.

 

If you have proof then post it, else just go away...

[zedrally]

 

Whilst the US' date=' was the primarly objective for Datsun in 1969 in terms of market penetration with the 240, a number of cars did appear for sale in England and to a limited degree in New Zealand as well as a few in to Australia[/quote']

 

Not in 1969 they didn't.

 

Numbers of cars sold in Australia are reported to be:

1970: 319

1971: 894

1972: 362

1973: 783

1974: 442 (2+2): 599

1975: 198 (2+2): 742

1976: 385 (2+2): 1615

1977: 98

 

Craig, thats an interesting list, 1977 bemuses me as it has no 2+2 imports?

I can only wonder if I have the only one in OZ?

[Lagavullin]

At no point did the writer state that cars where here sold here in 1969, although there is public record of 240's being in Australia 1969 and orders being placed for them with delivery taking place in 1970. the offical records would reflect the date of the finalisation of the transaction ie the date of registration.

[Mr Camouflage]

Craig' date=' thats an interesting list, 1977 bemuses me as it has no 2+2 imports?

 

I can only wonder if I have the only one in OZ?[/quote']

 

Yeah I know its weird, I know of 77 2+2's, maybe that number is for both 2 seaters and 2+2's.

 

The List is straight from nissan, as published in their book about the 280ZX.

 

....although there is public record of 240's being in Australia 1969....

 

Is there? Where is it public record that there were 240Z's in the country in 1969?

 

Like Mike says, If you have proof then post it.

[nat0_240_chevZ]

an old fart at my work has proof in an old magazine, hes about 72.

 

Its a red car with the chrome flat type fender mirrors, hatch vents, D hubcaps, pillar badges read 240z. ill ask him to bring to work again, im sure the pic is dated 12/69, it was the australian test/show car for the new model.

 

otherwise i think another work colleage scanned the whole article, ill check with him also.

 

The Writeup is like, 'an all new Overhead cam design, twin carbuerttion makes this car really stand out from the rest' blah blah blah.

 

Quite amusing actually.

Although it did say they were taking orders already and should be availably by the end of the year, (which they wernt here as the old fart remembers exclusivly as he was interested in getting one, ill chat him more about it).

 

Ill do my best to get it up on the site,

nato

[Lagavullin]

I concurr, if my memory serves me correctly the articile appeared in the now defunct Sport Car World or a simular publication around the date mentioned or it may have been earlier, a copy of which I belive may still in my poccession in archive storage, and if time permits I venture in to the repository and have look for it.

[Mr Camouflage]

Its a red car with the chrome flat type fender mirrors' date=' hatch vents, D hubcaps, pillar badges read 240z.

 

Ill do my best to get it up on the site,

nato[/quote']

 

Thats HS30 00004 I think. The same photos are in the Wheels Magazine in June 1971, when they talk about the revised version (aka series 2) 240Z. They just used the same photos again.

 

Rego number at the time was KNL 127.

 

The same car is in the press release kit from 1970.

Heres the photo from the Press Kit.

[zedrally]

I concurr' date=' if my memory serves me correctly the articile appeared in the now defunct Sport Car World or a simular publication around the date mentioned or it may have been earlier, a copy of which I belive may still in my poccession in archive storage, and if time permits I venture in to the repository and have look for it.[/quote']

 

Your memory is as faded as my red car, in fact it's nearly chalky.

 

If any press release exists of a HS30 in OZ in 1969 (prior to 004), it would be based on JDM models or more likely HS30-001, 2 or 3 prior to export.

[sjcurtis]

If someone has a genuine press release from 69 please please POST IT.

 

I really think this is turning into a none event though..

 

To the 77 production, I seem to remember the big deal was the dropping of two seater imports in 77 and the commotion that caused leaving the 2+2 run only for Australia. Disgusting move... Shame. :cry:

 

End game are we looking at a two seater numbers for 77 or the 2+2 numbers from the Nissan info and then where are the 78 numbers we know they exist....

 

cheers

Steve