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Thanks for sharing Alan, very interesting.  I was lucky enough for visit Zama a couple of years back, the guides were super helpful, gave a parting gift on the way out and you could buy GTR water

Probably will, but I have to say that this BaT phenomenon of high-selling S30s (and it is almost exclusively HLS30Us) seems to be fuelled by a small coterie of self-styled 'Collectors' who are trying

Nissan has three cars in its Heritage Collection at Zama: The '71 East African Safari Rally-winning car, the '72 Monte Carlo Rallye 3rd place finisher and the '73 Safari-winner. They regularly show th

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This car has started to do the rounds lately on a few popular automotive sites. Despite being listed for a while and referenced in here several months ago.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/buying-and-selling/once-in-a-lifetime-jdm-barn-find-1973-nissan-kenmeri-skyline-gt-r/

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Hi there. I am new to the Z car scene, to the car scene in general really. A 240z caught my eye though and it was love at first sight. Now it has become my new obsession.

What I wanted to ask was, are these listings legitimate? The price disparity alone makes me nervous. I know all of these examples have non OEM parts, and probably lack anything close to matching numbers. But is that alone enough for the premium?
Examples:
https://www.hotmusclecars.com/details.php?id=13325
https://automotive-classifieds.com/detail.php?listing=52378

https://www.cardealfinder.com/autos/datsun/datsun-z/1972-datsun-z-series-240z-white-76127.html

https://www.cardealfinder.com/autos/datsun/datsun-z/1972-datsun-z-series-240z-orange-68626.html

Thanks for any help or advice!

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Those websites look like aggregators that often don't update listings when sold. Sometimes the listings are a few years old.

Try this site.

https://www.autotempest.com/

Which looks across all of the US for cars for sale on different classifieds.

Are you in the US or local in Australia?

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Be warned the cheap stuff in the US is cheap for a reason. Lots of bad previous repairs that don't show up in photos.

Local offerings are expensive but by the time you've converted to $AUD, paid for import costs and converted to RHD (don't have to do this) then local cars are not bad buying, especially given the fact that RHD cars are very rare compared with LHD.

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8 minutes ago, gav240z said:

Be warned the cheap stuff in the US is cheap for a reason. Lots of bad previous repairs that don't show up in photos.

This is good advice. Here in the UK we've seen quite a few of the recently imported lower-end-of-the-market USA cars turning out to have dodgy repairs to historic crash damage, and even cut-and-shuts and switched identities. Not good.

Be careful!

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I looked at importing a couple of early Z's a few years ago, but uncovered quite a few issues with them before I went ahead.

Then when I was in the US of A I saw a number of cheap examples in person. Put me off the idea of buying a car sight unseen (lots in California were as bad as anywhere else).

If you can't see it in person or don't have an experienced person to view on your behalf it's a bit gamble with the odds against you.

Then add in the problems with importing here, asbestos checks, quarantine, shipping costs and import duties, you're $7k car has cost you $25k by the time it's here and often it's worse than a rusty local car. Plus behind LHD it's resale value is somewhat diminished.

I've seen a few of these bad examples show up on eBay here etc.. needing lots of work to be viable.

If you want to go down the "cheap" route, a late model 280z with fuel injection might be worth a punt. Just remove the god awful US spec bumpers and back date the look to more early S30Z. But even then same risks apply.

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/184617468136

HLS30 00491 is on eBay in the US.

Originally 903 Blue and missing the original matching no. L24 motor.

Current price: $12,000 USD 9 days to go.

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This Series 1 240Z was one of the earliest produced, having been manufactured in November of 1969 and sold to its orginal owner in Arizona as a 1970 model.

I bought this early Series 1 240Z in 2009 from the brother of the original owner, who had it in storage for 20 years.   It was an AZ car, so did not suffer the plight of most Zs --- rust.   My plans were to restore it, although I've been busy restoring other vehicles and this one has been under a cover for an additional 11+ years awaiting restoration.  It deserves to be restored to original condition and enjoyed by somebody.  I drove it a few times when I first bought it, but parked it for restoration and removed the battery to avoid corrosion issues in that common area.  

Z-enthuriasts will note that this car (#491) came down the assembly line right in front of what would become John Morton's BRE racecar, #492.  (That is about the only way to 'lead' John Morton's car.)

While on the subject of VIN, this car had its dashboard ID tag stolen a long time ago, and the State of Arizona therefore issued a duplicate -- which they placed below the original and correct VIN tag inside the driver's door.  It also retains the original and correct VIN tag in the engine bay.  Lastly, the very early cars were also marked with the VIN in a semi-scripted style on the front of the cowl in the engine bay, and the condition of the original paint in this area makes it easy to read.  (See pics)

The original owner changed the color of the car in 1982 to an off-white....with pinstripes. (sigh) The original exterior color was 'Univeral' Dark Blue (Color Code 903), and the interior was black.   Evidence of the original color is readily found on the back sides of panels, fenders, under the hatch and hood, and of course in the back deck area.   I bought the vehicle because it had the best body and frame condition I had ever seen on an unrestored early Z car.  The common rust-prone areas on this car appear to be in remarkable shape:  The 'doglegs', the rear wheel arches, the hatch panel, the battery tray, etc.    The driver's side floor did have a ~4in x 2in rusted out hole around a failed rubber plug, so I welded in a new floor panel from a well-known supplier.   About the only other area with notable rust is the very bottom sections of the front fenders, which are much more easily fixed than unibody areas.  

The car was never undercoated, so it is easy to inspect conditions on the bottom of the car, which reveal the original blue paint and some surface rust only.   I've included as many pictures as permitted and tried to emphasize the unibody conditions in the critical areas under the car.  The body panels themselves are remarkably straight and essentially ding-free, though the white exterior color makes it difficult to capture in pictures.  Likewise, the bumpers and side view mirror are in exceptional condition, with only minor rust on the inside (back) of the bumpers.  Even the back bumper over-rider bar is straight.  The rear quarter panel '240-Z' emblems are the original metal type. 

The doors are in good shape and both windows go up and down but need attention.  Each door has a cut-out where a speaker had once been installed.  The interior carpets, plastic panels, seats, and related items were all cracked or dried out beyond repair and were discarded in favor of planned replacement with parts to be sourced from a reputable Z restoration parts company.   The dash naturally has longitudinal cracks above each of the gauges.   The car retains its original Series 1 style (solid spokes) steering wheel and console. 

This car has its orginal spare tire (Bridgestone Super Speed Radial 20) in near-original condition.  The tire has no date code, as it predates the 1971 regulations which later required the use of such codes.   The spare is marked "DOT" and "Made In Japan" and the wheel is date-stamped "TOPY 11-69". 

The engine is not the original engine, as it is an L28 (#298608) with an N42 head on it, although it retains the side-draft carburetors.   The engine bay has been (ineffectively) sprayed in black, as is often done when owners change the car's original color.  The original blue is easily seen where the black has not adhered. 

Some spare parts including a brand new alternator and fuse box will be included in the sale, as will written materials such as wiring diagrams, repair procedures, etc. 

I am going to advertise the car locally as well, so if the right person comes along, I may halt the auction early.  Anyone wishing to inspect the car in person is open to coordinate a visit to do so.  The car is in Bucks County, outside Philadelphia.   I may be reached at area code 917 number 855-9141 to coordinate physical inspection or answer questions.  Prospective foreign buyers must go through a domestic agent.  My motivation to sell is only proportional to a buyer's willingness to restore rather than resto-mod this car. 
 

 

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https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/s791773865?conversionType=search_suggest

Fairlady Z432 PS30 Complete full restore

Price: 29,800,000 yen (AU $ 390,380.00)

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Completely genuine original (not run after completion)
Engine mission differential OH ( ROSE AUTO )
Body-related restore ( TAMTEC )
The owner makes heavy use of genuine treasure new parts without any thread on the money. After full restoration, it is almost not running.
 
The transaction will be the current sales of NC / NR.
The current car is located in Toyohashi City, Aichi Prefecture. It is a 5-minute walk from Toyohashi Station (Shinkansen, JR Tokaido Line, Meitetsu), so it is recommended that you check the current car. Please contact us in advance to confirm the current car.
Land transportation costs will be charged separately. Check here  www.zero-group.co.jp/mycar/
Since it is an old car, please make inquiries by free phone. The amount is different from the normal model.
Please contact us as various expenses (consumption tax, automobile tax, weight tax, registration fee, land transportation fee) will be charged separately .
We will keep 50,000 yen as a deposit until the end of registration and refund it after the end.
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Please note that it may be sold out as it is also sold at stores.
http://www.auto-adviser-stuff.com
There is new information.
https://auto-adviser-stuff.blogspot.com/2020/09/92.html

(Added at 7:30 on December 19, 2020) The
model year was incorrect. It is a late model of 46 years instead of 45 years.

 

 

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https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/c876273027?conversionType=search_suggest
Fairlady-Z432 PS30 Restored
Price: 23,500,000 yen (AU $ 307,850.00)

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[Specifications / Condition]
Genuine original finish (restored in previous years)
Engine OH already ( PROTEC )
71 B240 Cross Servo Synchro O / H Completed Mission
S20 bell housing, propeller shaft
Shift lever, bush, mount insulator
Large diameter clutch made by Kameari, flywheel, starter motor SET
50 pie stainless dual muffler & EX
Plug cord / plug cord clamp mounting
Carl funnel
Chain tensioner bolt cover, clamp mounting 
Genuine new door lining left and right glass run rubber replacement
Seat genuine pattern repair left and right
Dashboard inner box NEW
Wiper rubber replacement, blade, arm painting
Battery kill switch installation 
Rear gate weather replacement
Nissan spare blank key
Dash side trim replacement left and right 
Genuine mug wheel type repro AW
Stereo with genuine 8- track radio ( operation unconfirmed )
Genuine air cleaner box
ETC
 
The transaction will be the current sales of NC / NR.
The current car is located in Toyohashi City, Aichi Prefecture. It is a 5-minute walk from Toyohashi Station (Shinkansen, JR Tokaido Line, Meitetsu), so it is recommended that you check the current car. Please contact us in advance to confirm the current car.
Land transportation costs will be charged separately. Check here  www.zero-group.co.jp/mycar/
Since it is an old car, please make inquiries by free phone. The amount is different from the normal model.
Please contact us as various expenses (consumption tax, automobile tax, weight tax, registration fee, land transportation fee) will be charged separately .
We will keep 50,000 yen as a deposit until the end of registration and refund it after the end.
Detailed photo
http://30d.jp/stuff/27
Please note that it may be sold out as it is also sold at stores.
http://www.auto-adviser-stuff.com
There is new information.
https://auto-adviser-stuff.blogspot.com/2020/09/92.html

 

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20 minutes ago, csp-311 said:

And this PS30 also listed for about the same yen as the two above is this;

https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w447385596

I think that's a "call me to discuss" price, for something that's got such a mixture of 'early' vs 'late' details that you'd wonder whether it was Dr Frankenstein's personal transport...

Big old can o' worms there.

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