sexual_sushi Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Hi guys, I bought a Bosch alternator from Supercheap (BXD1242a) a few years ago but never fitted it. Now I've come to chuck it in my 73 240z and the wiring is a little different. There are the obvious earth points and the BAT or B+ terminals but the old alternator had a 'T' shaped terminal with 2 connectors, L(amp) & S(ense). The new alternator only has one terminal called D+. I think I can disregard the S connection (leave it unconnected) and then hook up the L connection to the new D+, can anyone confirm? Originally the car had an external alternator, I replaced this with an internally regulated unit using the plug with a diode in it (http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/12-4068). Notes taken from http://www.zhome.com/ZCMnL/tech/280Alt.html 1. An "L" connection which goes to a "switched" 12V supply. By this I mean a 12V source that is active only when the ignition switch is in the ON position. I use the mnemonic "L" for "lamp", the alternator warning lamp (if used) is in series with this connection. This terminal also supplies the "excitation" current to the alternator field winding at engine turn on, allowing the alternator to begin producing voltage as the engine is ramping up to idle speed. Once the alternator rotor is turning fast enough, it generates it's own supply for the field winding and the current in the "L" connection stops flowing. The warning lamp (if used) goes out. 2. An "S" connection which goes as close to the positive terminal of the battery as physically possible. The "S" connection "senses" the battery voltage and this is the voltage that the regulator is tying to control. This connection has a high impedance, so it only draws only micro amps from the battery, so it can be left connected without fear of battery discharging. "S" ............... : ------- : :.... | ....: : | : : | : "L" :.....: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six_Shooter Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'm not familiar with that particular alternator, but if you look at a diagram fro the vehicle it was originally fitted to, or for, you can see what circuit is used to trigger it to turn on, find the same circuit in the Datsun wiring and connected together. I know when I did my Bosch alternator swap, I used the harness from the external regulator to make a jumper for the batt sense and ignition wires. So the wire you need should be in that harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB30X Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 This didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzed Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 the bosch alternator already has a inbuilt regulator so an additional external regulator is not required, so this wiring diagram dont suit this alternator and no charge light in 240z which you need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty260z Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 B+ is just battery and D+ is warning light. So just connect your earth, battery onto B+, and the (L) plugs onto D+ disregard the sense wire, done.... You don't need an external regulator as that bosch until is internally regulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_sushi Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Haha I'm now slightly less confident than when I started. However I will try hooking up the 'L' to the D+ and disregarding the sense wire and see how I go as this seems the easiest to do at the moment. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzed Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 B+ is just battery and D+ is warning light. So just connect your earth, battery onto B+, and the (L) plugs onto D+ disregard the sense wire, done.... You don't need an external regulator as that bosch until is internally regulated. quote must have missinterperted or what ever i wrote was, wont comment again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_sushi Posted June 19, 2012 Author Share Posted June 19, 2012 quote must have missinterperted or what ever i wrote was, wont comment again ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoota G Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I think I can disregard the S connection (leave it unconnected) and then hook up the L connection to the new D+, can anyone confirm? I have a Bosch Alternator, the White wire with Black stripe is hooked up to D+ with a diode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_sushi Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 So I have the L connection hooked up to the D and everything seems to be working fine. I accidentally had the S hooked up originally and I can confirm that this does not work, it would discharge the battery over night. Thanks for the replies guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack260z7722 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 hate to revive a very old post but i have searched the site and i cant find any other information about this style of alternator. I have a 260z 2+2 1977 and have just purchased an alternator with the same set up as this to replace the original dead one. everywhere online seems to say that you need to modify or bridge wires in the external regulator plug/harness. but it reads as though you have not done this? i am struggling to understand whether i need to modify the external regulator harness or not. and i also cannot find any information on whether the later 260z models have the same setup as all the 240s that have documented replacements. sorry if this has been covered already, please point me in the right direction if it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted October 23, 2023 Administrators Share Posted October 23, 2023 I'm not sure on 260z's, but on 240z's you can just purchase this plug to bypass the regulator (external 1). https://www.thezstore.com/product/178/alternator-upgrade-adaptor-70-72-240z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack260z7722 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I am assuming this adapter does the same job that all the diy jumper wires do in this website, https://woodworkerb.com/home/datsun-240z-rebuild/datsun-240z-alternator-upgrade/ I also read that if you have a voltmeter not an amp meter then you do not need the diode, so unless someone proves this false i will try this configuration tonight without the diode and let you know how it goes. thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_sushi Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Yes in the first post I mentioned I am running the diode plug from the z store so I bypassed the regulator with that. The plug bridges the wires going in/out of the regulator with the diode in between one of the connections. So you can just remove the regulator and join the wires there, adding the diode if needed, rather than buying the plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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