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You could start with a old slightly rusty car, and build it up, spend what, 60 grand, to get a front runner,, or,,

by my 280z 2 seater.

Has logbooks, plenty race history, good results, podium places, fastest lap records set, blah blah.

Strong legal motor, c/r box, LSD rear, Bilstein suspension, 2 sets rims with race rubber.

 

Easy convert to Tarmac rally, and would be very competitive in standard class.

Currently unregistered, but for tarmac rally use you would run under UVP's

Located Brisbane

$45,000

 

EOI's on it at present,, will be very sad to see it go.

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well no the car would cost 80k to build and this car works, good luck trying to beet it

 

Exactly - the market for race cars is a completely different kettle of fish to road cars.  If you've got fast times recorded against a car with a logbook, it WILL sell for good money.  I've seen a group S logged car (not a Zed) with very fast times recorded go for more than it cost the original owner to build it.  The guy that bought it will never do those times in it, knows it, and doesn't care.  He just wanted a car that was ready to go, and known to be fast.

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well no the car would cost 80k to build and this car works, good luck trying to beet it

 

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You could start with a old slightly rusty car, and build it up, spend what, 60 grand, to get a front runner,, or,,

 

buy a 370Z or GT86 and sleep comfortably at night knowing you made a smart decision with plenty of investment

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buy a 370Z or GT86 and sleep comfortably at night knowing you made a smart decision with plenty of investment

Now you just look like an idiot.

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buy a 370Z or GT86 and sleep comfortably at night knowing you made a smart decision with plenty of investment

Modern cars mean modern classes in racing/competition, as well as modern class structures in tarmac events.

Your competition will think nothing of tipping $100 k into a car, at minimum, more like $150k to be a front runner.

Latest technology everything gets quite costly.

 

To go "old skool" is very hip pocket satisfying, especially when a low cost vehicle ( the above Z car for sale) is able to not only serve it right up to big buck cars ( Italian/German/USA) but on a lot of occaisions leave them in your wake

 

As a for instance, the top third German cars have had from $100 to $200k spent over and above original car cost.

Car cost, the big black Ferrari V12 GTC4, as jst a road car can fetch $275k, an Iso Grifo, the same.

For our Z's to be such a low fully built cost entry into historic competition, is very soul satisfying, indeed!

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Oh dear...........  ???

No no , Simon, a 370 or the new rear drive FT have great potential, they will be accepted into marque sports, but to then take the step to turn them into top level competitive, within Group 2Aor 2B Sports, or outright Marque Sports, will take big commitment, a lot of knowledge, and big dollars.

 

It was suggested about me, as to why dont i just go top line historic Porsche, but others have concluded, that i like the underdog card.

Heck, i could go out and set up three or four various spec GT3 cup cars, or a car to nail all in historics, go V8 Ute racing, but, nup, it's the old skool stuff that gets me!

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Oops, my bad  :-[

I actually misread it that s 370Z or FT86 would make a smart investment.

Only if they made no more than 15 thousand in total, supplied a raft of performance options able to be fitted at time of purchase, and dudnt allow the Gumbymints of this world to "dumb" the cars down, and, we just waited about 40 years, so our grandchildren could cherish them, yes for sure, a goid investment, maybe?

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Don't get me wrong, my dream car is a midnight blue 240Z with an L28 turbo with 600hp, but for that amount of cash right up people wouldn't really bother with old school... Unless like you say; they will be entering tournaments/races etc. Which then I believe people would build up their own car from scratch?

 

There's a rare race spec 280zx 2-seater on carsales for 18k, which is a reasonable price for that car, but 45k+ :(

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hahaha BOZO i think you need to go to classic racing and see the money people spend on old school lol

there are people that spend 10 times the price of this to have the car they want , i have built cars for people and 300k is not that out of the norm for a classic racer

at 45 k this car is good value  for a car that's top 5 at most events 

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Don't get me wrong, my dream car is a midnight blue 240Z with an L28 turbo with 600hp, but for that amount of cash right up people wouldn't really bother with old school... Unless like you say; they will be entering tournaments/races etc. Which then I believe people would build up their own car from scratch?

 

There's a rare race spec 280zx 2-seater on carsales for 18k, which is a reasonable price for that car, but 45k+ :(

 

Bozo, there is a fair bit of a difference between a "rare?, race soec 280zx 2 seater" that has no runs on the board, and a front running race  280Z with many top ten race results, quite a few podium outright places, and has also set fastest lap records in races at a few tracks, is fully logbooked and CAMS Historic approved, and is easily converted to be a frint running tarmac rally car.

Your 18k ZX will be limited to marque sports events, and will be a back marker at most events, as current spec car technology will leave it well behind, and, it'd be playing out back of Mazda MX5's, wheres the fun!

Few who know, will come to conclusion, easier to buy a ready to go unit, than start fresh, spend anything from 60 k, and a whole heap of time and headaches.

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I WISH I could go historic racing, quick someone show me what I'm doing wrong!

 

Having seen this car in action $45k is a very reasonable price. Good luck with the sale, hopefully for my sake (sorry Jason) it's still in your possession for the PI 6 hour so I can drool all over it again. :D

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Emotion is too easily applied we people sell stuff.  Everyone wants to get more money when they sell but pay less when they buy.  Sadly is doesn't work like that.  Let's use some market research (AKA facts), based on other S30 tarmac rally/circuit cars for sale;

 

http://www.my105.com/ListingDetails/tabid/65/p/1/k/240Z/id/326/Default.aspx

http://www.my105.com/ListingDetails/tabid/65/p/1/k/260z/id/7611/Default.aspx

http://www.my105.com/ListingDetails/tabid/65/p/1/k/240z/id/2299/Default.aspx

 

It looks like Jason has priced the car about right for the higher end of the market.  For a car with the specifications, proven results, and speed, that is fair.

 

I'm sure Jason knows that 'something is only worth what someone will actually pay for it'.  If he can't shift it at his current asking price he has three options;

  • wait for someone who will pay the asking price (depends how quickly he needs to sell)
  • remove it from sale (depends how much he wants to sell it)
  • or drop the price

 

Regardless of all this, it's Jason's choice.  So let's let the man sell his very nice race car.

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I WISH I could go historic racing, quick someone show me what I'm doing wrong!

 

Having seen this car in action $45k is a very reasonable price. Good luck with the sale, hopefully for my sake (sorry Jason) it's still in your possession for the PI 6 hour so I can drool all over it again. :D

Yes it will be at PI for the six hour, please come down on the Sunday, nice and early, so you can give us a bit of a hand, we need pitbitches for signalling and stopwatch duty, no grease monkey work though!

 

In between i will be able to answer any questions about how to get involved in Historic racing.

No you dont need to go out and buy a front runner, you can start with the basics, and build up, as you get the hang of it. It is the learn how to crawl, then walk then run, but done in stages.

 

What have you got now? A stock standard 240/260 It does not need much, a cage to specs, some safety gear, you need licensing up, a suit and gear. Car to get Historic logbooked, CAMS has specification sheets on th Z's

Some 6x14rims, better shicks, stiffer lower springs, sway bars to your druve style,  fresh set of rotors goid pads, decent rear linings.  It's not hard, and if you talk to other Z racers they are more than happy to help, besides we need more Z's on the track!

Thats it! Ready To Go!

 

Then ,,,,,, you will want,,,,,,,,, an ENGINE, then a BOX, then a DIFF. No, not normal ones, but GOOD ones !

Hello Mr Wallet, i see you have lots of folding money there, i'll just take some!!

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Don't get me wrong, my dream car is a midnight blue 240Z with an L28 turbo with 600hp, but for that amount of cash right up people wouldn't really bother with old school... Unless like you say; they will be entering tournaments/races etc. Which then I believe people would build up their own car from scratch?

 

There's a rare race spec 280zx 2-seater on carsales for 18k, which is a reasonable price for that car, but 45k+ :(

 

That 2s 280ZX  has been rallied I think, be careful as to body damage.

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If.the Orange 280 is the one i'm thinking of at 18k it is a bargain. I know who built it and what bits are in it and that is a real bargain if.someone wants to go.racing/rallying/targa.

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Yeah thats Carlos's jigger, only ever done dirt work?

Matt, if it was tracked, what class, and what other cars would it be up against?

I think it could go turbo L28, as they were supplied in USA, but what about as a turbo in teack work?

Tarmac rallies these are permitted as ZXT

He had it on for 25 k for years, at this price it could go, but, weigh this up to say, a Hardressermobile with a 1800 Turbo in SP mode, ala Brian Ferretbee, i dont think the Nissan will be all that much fun.

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Of course it would be fun Jason.

You can still have fun without chasing trophies.

I think it would be a great buy at that price. Depending on how hard the dirt work was.

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The car hasn't done a lot of work, so the shell should still be good. If anyone is keen I can get a run down from the guy that did a lot of work on it for Carlos. He said it was a more fun to drive than my car on the road.

 

As for track class for door to door racing it would be a 2B car on slicks or 2F car on radials. As a 2B car it would be fun but run towards the back of the field in box and NSW. Up here in Qld it would be a top 5 car.

 

2F would see it run at the front of the field with a good driver. Would need a bit of work to convert it from dirt spec to track, mainly a diet and change the suspension. If it is logged, cage would be fine.

 

In any case, Jason's digger would be better value for money if you wanted a door to door racer as no work is needed to be at the pointy end of gentleman racing in Sc. Carlos' car would need a fair bit of development to be a serious track weapon. As a dirt or tarmac rally car the zx would be a very cheap weapon in the right hands.

 

In comparison to Brian ferribee's frankenstein MX at Lakeside a good driver would worry him in 2B spec on new tyres. On old.slicks I.could.do 62's, new slicks down to 61's. This is generally the race pace. Qualifying would see it up to 4 seconds of the pace depending on which Corvette is running and q couple of seconds off Brian.

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