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Nev Munt in his road registered 240Z, best time 58.57 at Lakeside, see .http://www.qldraceways.com.au/files/2012%20MS.pdf  Problem for the purists is it has a single cam na Falcon engine in it although power is not above what could be expected from a good L6. Plenty of semi slick rubber to the ground plus driver commitment are more important. Some video I took recently

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He would love Lakeside, tell him to do it  8)  Easy track to learn, going fast is, well, something else, particularly under 60. Trying to get Nev to do the Nationals at PI but........

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Man i really need to get my car finished i will go to Lakeside for the challenge! L-Power for teh win!

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Going fast at Lakeside scares the shoot out of me, unfortunately lots of 'speed exceeding talent' crashes make it unpopular with the histronic lot though so it and the Morgan Park K circuit are not flavour of the month. Too hard  ???

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Should've said his is the quickest I have seen by a fair way, plenty of power and handling too. Ofcourse thats from someone who hasn't raced out vic. Lol With Lakeside there seems to be zero run off room, so unless you have heaps of track time it'll be difficult/silly to push hard. Even the tarmack looks narrow  :o

 

What are the specs on Nevs beast?

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kevs car is the fastest zed in aus by far , then theres the rbs that have 350+ kw , but cars like Gordos and peter hall and others like noels car , that are all well over 300hp are dam fast , any one that cracks 1.50 at the nats has a cracker of a car i will be driving noels car for the nats and its dam fast now hope to do a fast time 

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At just one track only!

To be able to claim fastest in Oz, it should have a crack at all tracks, including the "jigjog" Morgan Park!

The Nationals at PI should be on the agenda, at least.

58's at Lakeside, should, with about 15 weekends and about 100 laps of practice, equate to 1.50's at PI

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Aside from the bragging rights does it matter?????

 

Most of the quick cars are cars that can't really race in any recognised championship category due to the mods. My car wasn't the quickest around, but in its day gave a good run for it's money, now days built to 2B rules will be hosed off by haidresser cars with the hairdryer bolted to the engine as I am limited to 40 year ols technology to comply with rules.

 

I took out the 1997 NSW Marque Sports Championship with 150hp less than other Zeds, but on circuits like Amaroo and to an extent Wakefield Park and Oran Park South, the power difference meant nothing. Circuits like Oran Park GP and EC I would be hosed off, but then the great racing adage of "To finish first, first you must finish" comes to the fore.

 

And then, something like Peter Macs old drag car on the strip would hose something set up for circuit, and then something like John Siddon's targa car over a targa event would hose off somethinng built for sprint circuit racing.

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At just one track only!

To be able to claim fastest in Oz, it should have a crack at all tracks, including the "jigjog" Morgan Park!

The Nationals at PI should be on the agenda, at least.

58's at Lakeside, should, with about 15 weekends and about 100 laps of practice, equate to 1.50's at PI

 

One track that according to Mick Doohan is the most testing track in the world Jason. Comparing cars competing at all circuits in AU is not going to happen, I have been trying to persuade Nev to go to the PI Nats this year but work commitments may not allow it. Those that are able to do such things should count themselves fortunate because not many people can. I'm spending $40k on a towing setup mainly for PI and Bathurst so my commitment is obvious, once again not everyone has $40k sitting around waiting to be spent.

 

Seeing MP is back on the table, the K circuit there looks brilliant, definately not comfort zone territory which probably is the reason why it does not seem to be 'popular'.

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I think we should hire out a "central track" have a mass z meeting and let the cars do the rest of the talking.....

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I think we should hire out a "central track" have a mass z meeting and let the cars do the rest of the talking.....

 

I much like the sound of that....fastest zed shootout...

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That's what the Nationals are for, so all you Zedders make a big effort to sprint PI :)

 

On the 'one track specialist' nonsense, Nev regularly followed the sprints to two out of the three significant circuits in Q for 2012. More than most eh so credit where credit is due, please.

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Never been around Lakeside (But would love to one day!!) so to me 58 seconds means nothing; not saying its a poor effort or I can do better, but to me, saying a 1:45 around PI would make my jaw drop. To me it doesn't sound fast until I actually go around that circuit so I can compare it to my time. To anyone in Vic who hasn't been around Lakeside, I doubt they know how fast that is? I'm sure to you, me quoting times around Sandown mean sweet FA (unless you have had a chance to run there) so I hope you know what I mean..

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I think PI would be a good base for comparison times for those fortunate enough to make it there. In my view it is the best circuit we have especially when you consider runoff areas - something Bathurst does not have up and down the hill. While Bathurst is ok, I would hate to build up a zed and then write it off because the runoff areas were not there. Doesn't matter if you drive for a V8 team and they hand you a new car if you write one off, but if it is your own time and money, there are tracks I would avoid due to lack of runoff. Given many of the guys here are from Vic, maybe we should put up a list of PI times? Got to be at least 10 zeds that have run there. Obviously not everyone can make it to PI though :(

 

Cheers.

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In last few years, i have run my Production Sports Group Sc 280Z, which runs control tyres, stock stroke, stock induction, non adjustable suspension, and original engine at

Morgan Park

Queensland Raceway

Lakeside

Eastern Creek

Oran park

Bathurst

Winton

Sandown and

Phillip Usland

In full doir to door flag to flag racing, with traffic, adrenaline, flag marshals, other cars making mistakes, fast ones coming through, slow ones getting lapped.

 

Some days i was onto it, other days i was a bit meh wtf

Thats a fairly good allround variety of tracks, no specialist at one over any other, the car has set class lap records, and fastest lap records within individual races.

 

The "sprint" or "lapdash" variety that is conducted by many, is not in the same league, all that is needed is one, just one only single fastest flying lap, and someone coaims bragging rights.

What a crock f crap.

 

There are some very highly modded Z.s running sprints, due to non compliance with class regulations, that would absolutely hose off Nevs also mdded  car, given a few days of familiarisation at the track that Nev has spent many years/weekends mastering.

 

We've all got good fast cars, but meh, enough trumpet blowing from all!

 

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No trumpet blowing from me, just recognition of Nev's quiet achievement which included winning his class in the 2012 QR/Lakeside Street Sprints competition and so putting the Z car out there as a fast car to own. No freak one off fast lap, consistently fast laps for anyone to see who wants to look up the results. That is the reality, not a 'I or he could too, if' fantasy.

 

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the PI Nats, just hope I will be in the mood to have a real go and not just putter around. See you all there :)

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If nothing else this will make Nev's week , because that is how long it will take Nev to stop laughing about the excitement about a claim he didn't even put forward .I am not sure if I agree with Jason about the difference of flag to flag events over Sprints or some regularity events . I have been in a number of HRCC regularities that you could mistake for flag to flag events with all sorts of panel damage.I think it was just good luck that in the 2010 LAPZ's event with 20 every fast Z's all on track at the same time round Lakeside that no one came to grief. Sprinting still requires a high degree of skill and balls. Its very scary a 1000kls from home and going sideways towards a concrete wall coming on to the straight at Oran Park. Nev's win in the 2012 sprints series just confirms the previous series wins of Peter 2008(300ZX) and myself in 2004 (260Z) that if you want to win a series you can do it in a Z.

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Don't forget my class win in 2010 Aub  :P But seriously, what you say about the Z still being capable of winning is the whole point. And if it's up against modified cars then it can be modified to more than match them and then as a bonus you can have more fun by going faster.

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All well and good to be getting the good results, but I have to agree with Jason and also what I said in my first post here. It's horses for courses. Peter Mac's drag zed would blow us all away over a quater mile, but would it turn corners as well as a circuit car? My car was never the most powerful, but it never broke unless someone hit it, and as a result I won a state championship, so whilst my car is not the quickest doesn't it get rated as one of the best cause I got a trophy for a year's work???

 

And then you can look at different competitions like hillclimbs to sort the quickets car as the most powerful won't win, but the car that is set up tthe best as can be seen in the results at Noosa or Mt Cotton, my car was not set up for hill climbs and suffered as a result, yet I was quicker than those cars beating me on the hillclimb when up against them in a 10 lap race on a circuit or qually.

 

A good exampple of what I am talking about is comparing John McKeons Z to mine, when it was still in Sydney before John bought it. Both built at around the same time, mine probably a couple of years earlier in 2B trim, and raced together for 2 seasons in Sydney. It was a couple of seconds a lap quicker than my car in qualifying, but when first built was fragile, so I beat it in races more often than not. Who has the faster car, the one that was quicker for a lap, or the car that finished the race in a quicker time because it wasn't in pit lane or on the side of the track with a geabox in bits.

 

Couldn't you rightly say the 4WD V8 260 hill climb car is the quickest Zed in Aus, cause I haven't seen any other Zed beat it at any event yet.

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HI All,

Problem is i guess is door to door racing is not the same thing as sprints, time attack etc.

I know when I'm out doing my 5 sprint laps or warm up/ one lap flat out. if there are other cars

around me then it easy knock 1-2 seconds off.

Now I'm not saying my cars is the quickest and personally i don't give a flying f. but what i can

say is over 650hp, less than 1 tonne, AZC suspension, 6 piston brakes all adds up to

scaring the crap out of me. And that my friend is why i do it.

What is it mate that you actually want to compare ?

Sounds like Nevs car is killer, but so is Jason's, and Dimitri's. Peter Halls is sweet as too.

And Kev's freaky monster. Even Peter Mac's , Chris Ferguson's. Man the list goes on but all

these cars are built for totally different forms of motorsport/street driving.

 

All in all get out there and drive that thing.

 

Cheers

Paul

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HI All,

Problem is i guess is door to door racing is not the same thing as sprints, time attack etc.

I know when I'm out doing my 5 sprint laps or warm up/ one lap flat out. if there are other cars

around me then it easy knock 1-2 seconds off.

Now I'm not saying my cars is the quickest and personally i don't give a flying f. but what i can

say is over 650hp, less than 1 tonne, AZC suspension, 6 piston brakes all adds up to

scaring the crap out of me. And that my friend is why i do it.

What is it mate that you actually want to compare ?

Sounds like Nevs car is killer, but so is Jason's, and Dimitri's. Peter Halls is sweet as too.

And Kev's freaky monster. Even Peter Mac's , Chris Ferguson's. Man the list goes on but all

these cars are built for totally different forms of motorsport/street driving.

 

All in all get out there and drive that thing.

 

Cheers

Paul

 

And a golf clap to you good sir.......

 

Exactly, how can you compare so many different cars and what does it matter if they are driven as hard and as fast as they can go......

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