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#1 thriller

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:32 PM

My new old car.

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An interesting place for rust:
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Passenger side is pretty well shot to shit.
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Sneaky hole underneath the passenger fender
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Finally part of the car without rust:
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Engine bay looks tidier than the rest of the car
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Almost complete lack of passenger floor. This is a little bit concerning as I don't think the standard replacement floors reach this far back. Might have to find someone splitting up a shell and get a donor patch
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After a few hours with the car I had a bit of a poke under a tiny hole I'd spotted, opened it up a bit and found a bit of a nightmare... The worst thing is I have no idea the extent of the rust under here
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Anyway now onto the actual work. I've started stripping the bonnet back using one of those 3M strip discs (drill type. bunnings didn't have the grinder one last time I went?) and it's taking a very long time because there seems to be more than a few layers of paint on the bonnet. It seems to go metal-factory red-primer-red respray-primer. Would I be better off using chemical stripper for this? Doesn't seem like a problem on any of the other panels, they all strip back quickly.



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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:41 PM

Will be interesting to see how the top inner rails are like, when you remove the front guards.

This will for sure give you a bit of work to do.
At least the air cleaners on the carbs look good!

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:51 PM

Welcome.

What 3 letters would better describe your journey other than

OMG !

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:58 PM

Yeah, guards will be coming off as soon as the bonnet is stripped bare. Hopefully won't be in for too big a shock.

No better way to learn something than to dive in headfirst... Before my last car I didn't know how to do an oil change, two months later and I decided to finally swap swap the trans over from auto-manual


At least there's enough metal to bolt the flares onto, that's a good start hahaha. Anyway; the z bug has bitten me. Well and truly in love with this bucket of rust.

EDIT: I should also mention I want to aim to get this registered with S.A.'s historic registration scheme. Not sure how the sunroof will go with that, but even if I have to replace the roof skin, the difference in cost between historic and normal will pay for the roofskin in just one year. Build #1001 too

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:06 PM

Thats a lot of rust, good luck with it mate, hopefully it doesn't turn into a basket case for you.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:13 PM

At least the air cleaners on the carbs look good!

The flares look good too!

too!

EDIT: I should also mention I want to aim to get this registered with S.A.'s historic registration scheme. Not sure how the sunroof will go with that, but even if I have to replace the roof skin, the difference in cost between historic and normal will pay for the roofskin in just one year. Build #1001 too

Good luck with this. I was under the impression car had to be standard. Eg without flares

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:38 PM

strip it and get the shell blasted.
It'll show you EXACTLY what your getting into.

I honestly wouldn't buy any parts or commit anything to it until you do that first, It will make the overall job bigger, but it'll save you huge troubles in later years.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:43 PM

Man oh man, that would be as bad as it gets. The sun roof has let a lot of water in. There is a massive amount of body work to be done, will keep you busy, one of my Zeds was bad. Not that bad. And bit by bit I did a section at a time and it all came together . Best you get your self a rotisserie to do most of the bodywork, will help heaps. Best of luck.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:48 PM

HI Thriller
I am also in the Adelaide hills, I'm more than happy to come have a look and give you any
advice that you need. I restore cars for a living so may be able to give you some tips.

It looks like you have some work to do. I would recommend getting at least the shell
sand blasted . Will make it allot easier for you and will get rid of all the rust.

Regards
Paul

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:57 PM

Walk away.  :o
I mean that in the nicest way.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:27 PM

Only difference between a small rust patch and a large one is the size of the patch.

And the only difference between one patch and 100 rust patches is the time it takes.

It may look bad, but with time, patience, perserverance and practice it should be repairable.

Good luck !

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:28 PM

I agree with Chris...between the money you will need to pay professionals to recover this car, along with hundreds of hours of your own time, it will be far cheaper (and a better outcome) to put the money into a better shell and use this one as a parts car.

Cheers

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:16 PM

Only difference between a small rust patch and a large one is the size of the patch.

And the only difference between one patch and 100 rust patches is the time it takes.

It may look bad, but with time, patience, perserverance and practice it should be repairable.

Good luck !


That is very true. But only if you can do the work your self. Or it
Is the difference between being able to afford it or being broke. :)

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:35 PM

Hmmmm....I can't agree on the big patch little patch being the same!

Little patches that aren't structural in nature are relatively straight forward. To rebuild the floor and recreate all the flanges where panels come together and get spot-welded, along with internal structural panels (roof panel) that must be reproduced to maintain the integrity of the car is a horse of a different color. Sure it can be done, but it takes considerable skill, experience and equipment to ensure it is done well and production tolerances and appearances are recreated.

That kind of rebuild is worlds apart from a few small cosmetic patches.

I don't say this to be unkind, but to ensure newcomers to restorations are not lulled into an unrealistic mindset regarding the scale of major structural body repairs.

Jamo

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:54 PM

The point Im making is SAFETY......
This is not a shell but a coffin.
Im the first one to encourage new owners ,  But, C'mon guys bit of common sense here.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 07:57 PM

Welcome,

the shell is definately worth saving being a low numbers car, it all depends how much time and money you have. You may be best trying some of the most difficult sections first, if you can master those, you will be able to do the simpler stuff easily. Were you going to keep the sunroof or replace the roof? This might be worth trying first to see if it is salvageable or if the rust has gone too far.

I suggest you also buy the 240Z shell that is on ebay at the moment for all the spare panels inc roof.

Cheers. :)

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:23 PM

Whoah, not much optimism in here guys... Ledge, I'll definitely shoot you a PM in a couple of days if you want to come around and have a look, you'd be more than welcome.

Cheers Jamo, appreciate the concern. I'm completely aware that this will end up costing more than finding a decent Z for ~$9,000, but I'm not after something that I'm going to buy, give a fresh lick of paint and call it a day. I'm also completely aware that structurally, it will be hard to re-create the original strength of the car. I'm think that anywhere I can't see, I'm happy to make it somewhat ugly, but very strongly reinforced. I know the sunroof significantly reduces the structural integrity of the Z and I'll be doing everything I can to make sure that I'm not driving around in a deathtrap.

Also Chris, as above. I'm aware that it's going to take some long hard thinking to get this as stiff and strong as it should be. But time is on my side here, I can wait to make sure I do a proper job of it all.

Thanks Brabham. I'm thinking of going front-back, otherwise I'll spend years chasing little bits and pieces around the place, not being truly sure of how much progress I've actually made. Front-back and I can see the progress I've made very easily.

I'm not 100% sure about the sunroof Brabham. If it's allowable under historic rego I think it'll stay, otherwise I'll be trying to find a decent roof skin. I've seen that 240z track shell, and I'd definitely be keen but it's in Brisbane and I'm in S.A.. Transport would probably be about $900 considering it's non-rolling... I've shot the guy a PM expressing my interest in the major repair parts I need, will have to just wait and see how the eBay auction pans out. I've pulled the shitty canvas sunroof completely off, I think tomorrow I'll get rid of the framing... Hopefully that'll let me see underneath the roof-skin a bit, I'll then be able to see the extent of the cancer underneath the skin... The surface around the sunroof is in comparably good condition, but I'll wait to see before I say anything for sure.


People have restored far worse, and I have youth on my side. I need something in my life that I can focus my spare time and energy on, and I've loved Z's since I first saw them.

Anyway enough rambling, time to sleep off a few too many beers.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:36 AM

Dont take the responses the wrong way.
Some of the blokes who will say walk away know full well whats involved in a restoration your going to be looking at, know the pain and $$$$ of such a job.
Others (like me) want you to make sure you decide your path on a full understanding of exactly what your getting yourself into, hence my comment of get the shell blasted.
personally, i would love to see you restore this, you say you have youth on your side? that also means that as you learn the skills to restore this, you'll be able to teach them onto a new generation of people. That in itself is incredibly valuable.

Anyways, good luck with it, and dont forget the detailed build thread with lots of pics.  ;)

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:11 AM


I just had my car soda blasted, which should all the little problems and issues, so much better then hitting it with a sander or grinder, if your intrested pm me and i'll give you the soda blasters details, very nice guy.

I cant comment on the body condition i dont know enough about fixing rust... but blasting was a good move on my car.

Good luck with her

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:26 AM

... I know the sunroof significantly reduces the structural integrity of the Z ...


I'm not so sure about that. The roof has no ribs and if you push on any flat area it buckles. I think the roof is there just to keep the rain out, minimal structural integrity. The biggest complaint about sunroofs is they leak.

I would 100% back the suggestion that you have it blasted, primed and mounted on a rotisserie, it makes repairs so much easier. Good luck but more importantly, God's speed - I've just passed the sixth anniversary of starting my build.




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