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#61 gav240z

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:54 AM

Yeah, can understand how owning a 280z you would feel bit like an outcast in the zed world.

When trying to join the Zed car club here in WA they only admit 240z / 260z, when i asked why not the 280z the answer was well you have to draw the line somewhere!

Personally i think many laymen could not tell the difference bewteen the 240 260 280 zed series...  it kinda pissed me of at the start how the 280z that obviously belonged to the family so could be considered such at outcast that it would not even be considered to become a member in a zed car club.

Having said that have felt the opposite with other zed "no official" zed clubs... the 300zx club in western australia makes you feel at home as long as there is a Zed somewhere on the car or in ya garage...

It still amazes me that alot of people try and dis-associate the 280z from the zed family.


I haven't read all the recent comments but...

A long time ago I was open to having the club incorporate the Z31 and Z32 also, but many members were concerned it would attract the "wrong type" of members. However as these cars age they do have a place in the classic car world and we should be open to change or we'll just become an old gentlemen's club of pipe smokers who bang on about how good the old 240z/260z was.... ;)

I'll catch up on some of the comments later when I'm not at work ;)





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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:18 AM

The 280 Z is the same body shell as the 240Z and 260Z!
It wasnt sold in Australia, but plenty sold in the US.

Unless you are refferring to the ZX, which i suspect you are!

Yeah, can understand how owning a 280z you would feel bit like an outcast in the zed world.

When trying to join the Zed car club here in WA they only admit 240z / 260z, when i asked why not the 280z the answer was well you have to draw the line somewhere!

Personally i think many laymen could not tell the difference bewteen the 240 260 280 zed series...  it kinda pissed me of at the start how the 280z that obviously belonged to the family so could be considered such at outcast that it would not even be considered to become a member in a zed car club.

Having said that have felt the opposite with other zed "no official" zed clubs... the 300zx club in western australia makes you feel at home as long as there is a Zed somewhere on the car or in ya garage...

It still amazes me that alot of people try and dis-associate the 280z from the zed family.



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 04:06 AM

It's not a Z car club as such, its a S30 club, for 240/260/280 S30 chassis cars. I believe one of the reasons for this was that the costs involved in running a club double once you pass a certain number of members, and I think they are close to the limit with just S30 owners. Including S130's owners would probably put them just over the limit and incur higher costs, which would mean higher club fees per member.

As it is they can cater for the S30 owners with a small annual club fee, which gets you a CAMS licence for the motorsport events the club is involved in and covers public liability insurance. Though having said that, I'm not part of the club council, that's just my vague recollection of what was discussed when the club went "official".

Do I agree with it? No, but if its the difference between having a club in which you get to go out on the track, or not having a club at all, then I'll support it.  If they decide to allow 280zx's down the track I'll support that too.

We still get 280ZX's turn up to the Z day.  There was a nice looking 2 seater at the last one. A guy brought it over from the UK with him. I think S30's probably out number S130 in WA now. I feel bad for them when they are told they cant join.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:57 AM

I would love to have the statistics on how many of these critical comments come from people who have never driven a 280zx in reasonable condition.  The facts are it is a little heavier and it is less desirable. But they weigh a mere 1250KGs. Why is it that almost every other 6 cyl starts at 1400KGs yet the 280zx cops all the criticism. The answer of course is because it followed the light weight 240.

I have said it before and I'll say it again. I have driven a few 240s and on the road I'd rather drive my 280zx any day (except race day). Don't forget this forum is for the S130 as well. So we have a choice, tone down the judgments or the forum will start losing fans of the s130 (me included). I for one am quite happy to find another forum if this one doesn't want S130 enthusiasts.


Seriously I don't know what all the fuss is about here. We are sharing opinions and comments about what each model has to offer.

I myself have only driven 1 280zx, it was a blue 2+2 which had been retrofitted with a carby turbo set up and it was not running very good. The suspension was shot (or at least it should have handled better than when I drove it), it felt like a bath tub.

So I can't really say how good they are compared to a 240z / 260z since I don't think it's a fair comparison. I will say that the 2+2 styling, like all 2+2 coupes it seems are always a compromise in terms of looks. I much prefer the 2 seater and the turbo version must move very quick.

The problem is I've seen so many run down tired cars I can't recall seeing a mint ZX in a long time.

Do I think they are a bad car? Not really I think they were very good for the time, but I would definitely go for a early RX-7 instead if I was looking for a car like the 240z but 10-12 years newer. As a cruiser / comfortable ride to work then yeah I'd say they are great cars compared to the noisy, hard to drive 240z.

The fuel injection is simple and the power steering along with interior comforts are nice for long drives. God knows I felt exhausted driving the 240z from Melbourne to Goulburn for the Z nationals in 2005 (god it's been that long). The again my 240z is damn loud and the fumes, well at enough speed they are ok but when the windows come down the fumes come in ;).

There are pro's and con's to any of these cars and at the end of the day it should only matter how you feel about it. We don't spend money on cars expecting a return on investment so if it's your toy then you just enjoy it.

Also for the record I've noticed more and more ZX members join up recently which I think can only be a good thing.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:06 AM

Yep. I still had the old window open with his username against that post.

If you think 280ZX owners cop a ribbing, try owning a Z31 - in the top 10 worst cars ever made according to Jeremy Clarkson.


LOL, poor old Z31. I was too scared to even look at them given the complexity of their engine bay and the cost of components for them.

Owning an RX-7 I imagine is a bit similar, so many people have a distaste for the rotary engine it's amazing how many people comment on how bad they are and how they blow up easily or need rebuilds all the time etc.. Frankly I'm amazed half the time because so many people have never owned 1 but act like experts talking about them.

I was advised against getting an FD RX-7, but I think they are a superb car and I love it almost as much as the S30. I also enjoy learning more and more about the engines themselves and how they work.

So I don't really get upset if people say you should replace the rotary with a V8 or try and put the car down saying they are unreliable etc.. I just get in and drive and think "wow this car is amazingly fast".

I've also seen lots of negative comments about the RX-8 I feel for a similar reason the 280zx gets flammed because the car before it was seen as more performance oriented and all the purists get upset.

I would love an RX-8 I think they look great, I used to not be too keen on the styling but over time it's really grown on me and I think they look like loads of fun. Now the RENESIS did have some reliability issues which were again revised in the later versions but it's sad to see people say so many negative things about them.



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:50 AM

I have owned,  a Datsun 1600Sports Fairlady, Datsun 2000 Sports Fairlady, Datsun 260Z coupe, Datsun 260Z 2+2, Datsun 280ZX S1 & S2, two Nissan 300ZX Z31 S3 Californians, a Nissan 200SX R Spec.
All these cars on a comparative basis as the years move on come under the same discussions and differences people were having years ago and we still having today I see that as kind of healthy.
The cars in my opinion are all excellent cars for their time, main differences being improvements in design and suspension, engine technology, brakes, safety and creature comforts.
Coupes (tin tops) and Sports cars (soft tops) ...as they were known in the old days .......their designs have been and look timeless over the years that have past, look at the first Porsche 911 and what we have today! The Lotus Elan and the Mazda MX5!
These cars were aimed to sell in their sales market for their time and all of them were at their epitome when they were released for sale.
The debates and argumentive reasons will continue about marques but all in all I have never had a moment of dissappointment or expectation that has not been delivered for all of the above cars, one must appreciate the vehicle and its purpose in the market place for which it is directed at.
A Nissan 370Z is not a Porsche Cayman there is a reason for the price difference and each are aimed at differnt markets by the manufacturer.
That doesn't mean you don't get bang for buck in the 370Z. Lynton 8)


 



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:04 PM

I dont get it, why be elitist, and decree only this model can join, etc.
They are all Z's, we all love and appreciate them!

The Z car club in Qld doesnt discriminaye, and is not that elitist  ( a few think the Pres is a bit odd!), they even accept the true original first ever Datsun Sports cars in their ranks,  even though it hoses most of them off!

To have clubs fracture, become one model specific, in the current day and age with rising costs, lack of cars left, etc, is a recipe for disintegration of a club.

Old hairy chestnut here, but, what if the z car nats just stuck to one specific? The event would fold, or at minimum, just become a bit of a gathering in a motel carpark at a nice coastel town, where they all just lift bonnets, ,aybe go for a drive, as the cost of doing "more" is too high..
Better to embrace at minimum all Z, Zx, and new Z, or go further and accept all Nissan Datsun, god forbid!

I look at NDSOC, strong, healthy, active, lots of varied membets, all encompassing, gets invites to plenty, runs plenty,, marvellous!

Sure, pay homage to the S30 body, it is a succesfull point in time for a car manufacturer, and there are many worldwide in past, today, and no doubt future, that will revete this series of Z car.
They are increasing in value, so if ypur thinking about getting one, do so, or thinking about selling, ,aybe re-asses and keep it.

FWIW, there is only one S30 280Z in Australia, but plenty in the USA!

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:26 PM

I know I'd love to own every zed released in 2 seater form (z31 as a 200zr), and there will be differences between them and what market they were trying to reach, hence this discussion. It's a fact that the target market changed, and sucks that it changed so much they decided to not import 2 seaters for so long.

I think a debate about what this 'club' isn't what is really being discussed, and anyone who wants to hang around can hang around in my experiance (datsun roadsters, 280zx's, gtr's and silvias), however it is an S30 club at heart, that was the point of it to seperate it from the clubs that already existed? and the technical knownledge found on this site should stick to being primarily about s30's, not "where can i find red velour?" type stuff

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:19 PM

and the technical knownledge found on this site should stick to being primarily about s30's, not "where can i find red velour?" type stuff


That puts the ZX owners in a bad light, we don't ask asinine questions like that. If the primary subject for the forum is the S30 then perhaps remove the 280ZX from the forum name. If you google '280ZX club' the first thing to come up is this forum, that's how I found it. Whilst people say we shouldn't get butthurt from all the shit talk towards the ZX's, it can still be confronting. To quote Tim Minchin; 'Sticks and stone may break your bones, but words can break hearts'.

I think we should welcome any who come on with Nissans or Datsuns, or at very least any Z's AND ZX's. You guys have lost a great member in Galderdi, I can understand where he's coming from, you never hear ZX members giving S30 members any crap about their cars, so why do we get it? We're in the forum name too...

I think people should be more open minded and allow others with an interest in Z's to be amongst us, it was inevitable for this thread to become quite sour, I know it wasn't intended but it makes me sad.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:31 PM

That puts the ZX owners in a bad light, we don't ask asinine questions like that

that was about the only question zx i could think of that's fortunately completely irrelevent for z owners :D

I like your zx and have no issue with you being a member, and as 280's share the same engine it makes sense for you guys to be included

off topic - I saw a 944 being retrimed at a place with brand new velour in the factory style and it actually looked really nice

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 03:11 PM

I've never taken this thread as a 280ZX bashing. It doesn't matter what someone else thinks of my car.
I love it!
It drives Ace!
And it would hose most cars on the road!

I wouldn't be calling for 280ZX's to be excluded from this Z site. They share a lot of history and parts.
But as previously stated. As these cars get rarer, the club will shrink.
I would look at the opposite with the issue Gav toyed with.
Extending it towards all Z models.
S30, S130, Z31, Z32, Z33 and Z34.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 03:18 PM

I have driven an rx8 and in my opinion it was alot more underpowerd than I expected

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

Ah the Z31, drove a near new NA one to Bathurst and back from Brisbane, what a disappointment. Just plain soft and gutless. Problem in AU apprently is that most new 'sports' car buyers want soft with all the fruit, handling etc is not a priority.

Having said that, a modded two seater perhaps with a LSx donk and upgraded suspension and brakes would be fine by me. Like the 280ZX all they need are big wheels and a frontal facelift, just like any old bitch :D

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:22 PM

I have driven an rx8 and in my opinion it was alot more underpowerd than I expected


a stock one?
They are a little plump around the edges and the motor makes all its power up top, so you have to rev it.
But trust me, once you do a few mods and some weight reduction, they are incredibly fun to drive ;)

OT, I can see there may be some light hearted ribbing at the 280ZX owners expense, but i dont see why they should be excluded from anything.
Afterall, given the age of the car and the general market that keeps playing with them, we are all the same like minded enthusiasts.
Or is there a prevailing attitude from the narrow minded 1% that you should ONLY like S30's and nothing else, no other marque or model?
Coz that'd be stupid, i like lots of different cars.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:11 PM

I think as we head further into the future you have to become more inclusive of all models to stay relevant. Already now its very hard to find an s30 or even s130 in good condition to buy and enjoy. The other issue is affordability. Good z31's and z32's are more affordable than s30's making zed ownership more possible this way. If you restrict membership to one series, you may find the numbers drop off in the future, both due to the lack of cars available and the tastes of the future younger generations. I think it is good forward planning to consider broadening options. The same would apply to the 300zx Association. How relevant will this organisation become when 350z's become cheap cars and people start to collect them.
Being pro-active is very important. I remember when the Sydney Zed club first started and had their first concourse at Darling Harbour about the same time the z32 was released. You had all models represented and Nissan also had their new z32 on display. It was an event that had broad mass appeal from all ages and demographics both from members and an interested public. I am not sure how they are going these days but their website hasn't been updated much lately and the  forum is pretty quiet.



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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:45 PM

300ZXs need their own forum because of the massive amount of problems they have.  ;D

All their breakdown threads would clutter our forum haha.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:27 AM

Ouuuchhhhhh...


drop in a healthy dose of quad cam V8, and the 280zx is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on ...

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 08:11 AM

drop in a healthy dose of quad cam V8, and the 280zx is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on ...


Awwww yeah! Best post of this thread! :D




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