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#21 Six_Shooter

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:05 AM

Have I missed something here?  Why is this guy getting flamed?  He's not even South Australian??

OK, it is like obvious that he has limited knowledge of like cars and stuff.  (someone please call me a Gen Y) And he has a natural distrust of those in the auto repair business (who doesn't) and probably other professions also (wanna buy a car, house, used car, invest with a solicitor?).

But really an instant flame session??

Those of us with some understanding of how these systems work - crickey the poor fellow doesn't even understand the basics of a 12v DC system and his sparkie couldn't help himself - will appreciate that most of the wiring and elements between the battery and the ignition system will need to be checked and most likely be replaced, but this poor fellow is really hoping to hear "It's just a $2 fusible link and you'll be fine."

I'm sure that if others posted up "I fired my electrics!" we would get some empathy and some sympathy - we might even get some good advice (which he has received from some - love the water tank analogy) and probably some offers of help.

Come on now, give the bloke some good, positive help and save all the venom for those that deserve it (ie: the South Australians!)

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For me, it has to do with someone assuming that anyone of us in the auto repair or modification business are just out to rip people off. There was also the babbling on about how we're all mature here, so why is there a swearing filter? That seemed obvious to me. Maturity to me, means being able to express one's self in a manner that does not require swearing, or cursing to get a point across. It too to me seemed like the OP was just some young guy that thinks it's cool to swear based solely on that. In my dealing it's the exception that someone that is not in their 20s puts up such a stink about being censored. I too am in my 30s and try to use clean language to convey what I'm saying. I find people are much more responsive to that than being cursed at.

As far as the repair here goes, it's hard to tell whether he just wanted to vent that he felt he was being ripped off again or wanted to tackle the repair himself. Even after subsequent replies I'm still not sure.

Yeah, everyone wants that $2 or free repair for everything, I know I do. LOL!

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 06:35 AM

Ok boys I have been following this thread a little and read most of the long posts. Can we just stop with the personal attacks and long winded messages.
Let's just stick to the issue at hand being the electrics and forget the other stuff.
We have all had bad experiences in the auto profession. Sadly some more than others. I knOw it's frustrating but really I have saved thousands by listening to constructive advice from this site.
So let's focus on the real issue and work on a solution.
That's my 20cents worth.  :)

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:13 AM

Ok boys I have been following this thread a little and read most of the long posts. Can we just stop with the personal attacks and long winded messages.
Let's just stick to the issue at hand being the electrics and forget the other stuff.
We have all had bad experiences in the auto profession. Sadly some more than others. I knOw it's frustrating but really I have saved thousands by listening to constructive advice from this site.
So let's focus on the real issue and work on a solution.
That's my 20cents worth.  :)

back to basics, I know z electrics very well and carry out diagnostics and repairs regulary, zed electrics are generally speaking quite straight forward as in simple and very reliable, and i have never encountered this problem before, most of the elecrical problems in zeds ive encountered is after the wiring has been tampered with, such as a resto or a stereo fitted or an accessory fitted headlight relays etc, even with the main engine earth lead diconnected at the motor the car will still start and run as there are other earth wires to draw current from, if to much current is drawn the fuses / links should blow as 260 s have more fuses than 240s , go back to basics and recall any work carried out prior to this melt down , the old seconds before disaster scenario.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:19 AM

the only cause just straight off the end of the bat is that the ignition switch has collapsed internally

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:02 AM

Just take it to a different auto-electrician for a 2nd opinion ?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:45 AM

perhaps you could find someone in the "Recommended Business's" section.

I generally find i have a good clue or not whether to take someones word pretty early(not just mechanical), so id say if u reckon he might be a bit dodge or dont approve how he do just take it elsewhere.

http://www.viczcar.c...board,20.0.html

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:17 PM

To answer a few questions.

No this is not the same mechanic that killed my car and then stole the majority of parts from it. (That was actually my best friend's father .. so lets just say I not only changed mechanic, but also best friends).
This is a new mechanic.

Now I'm well aware the wires need to be replaced first, and that ground wire needs fixing. He has inspected the wires and they are only affected in the engine bay .. no troubles with anything past the firewall.

I purchased myself a coil and ignition kit (figured might as well have them replaced with an upgrade rather than someone patching back in the same 35 year old technology).
The battery isn't too old. The fusable links are fine (i have no idea how), so I got replacements for those because when things fry and the fusable links don't something is surely wrong.

I can't really just up and take it to another mechanic/auto electrician because the car isn't running. I'd end up wasting a fortune on towing my baby around. So my only option is to check if i'm being scamed or can confirm its a genuine suggestion.

The only things I didn't get a replacement for were the alternator and starter motor, wires fried on startup, so I figured the starter motor might be a likely culprit. As has been spelled out I don't know much about car electronics. My understanding was that the alternator only came into play when the motor was running to provide electrical power and charge up the battery that is drained a little on startup. So that's why I assumed it couldn't be involved. If the alternator is going the moment the key is turned and the engine is trying to start over, then fine. I'll accept its possible.

Anyhoo, I don't mind the name calling (it can be harsh as long as it is fair, and I have a very thick skin so now offense has been taken - nor would i take offense at unfair name calling, life is too short).

Overall, I don't think it is an overly expensive operation (bit less than a grand including the parts I purchased and the tow).

I guess to be safe I'd rather spend the $100 or so for the alternator to be looked at rather than wasting all the money if the same issue returned after replacing the rest.
I just don't like the idea of someone taking advantage of that. Especially when the mechanic can say "we took that apart and repaired the internals" .. it'll all look the same to me, but i'm supposed to trust they did something on the bits I can't see.

I feel happier if something is repaired/replaced and I can see that work has been done. Sorry if that offends, but I think most people feel the same way.

Appreciate the replies. Sorry, I struggle to keep mine short. But I figure more info is better than less.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:20 PM

OK, it is like obvious that he has limited knowledge of like cars and stuff.  (someone please call me a Gen Y)


This is like so my fav comment in this thread.... like its so on the money and stuff.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:33 PM

For me, it has to do with someone assuming that anyone of us in the auto repair or modification business are just out to rip people off.


What? You are projecting. I certainly never said all, in fact the very subject of my post is "pretty sure MY mechanic is dodgy".

As far as the repair here goes, it's hard to tell whether he just wanted to vent that he felt he was being ripped off again or wanted to tackle the repair himself. Even after subsequent replies I'm still not sure.


Yes. I wanted to vent. Yes I feel that swearing is helpful when one wants to let of steam. Do you seriously bang your toe and say "shivver"?
The car is with a mechanic. I'm well aware i'm out of my element when it comes to repairing electrical systems, and the thought of playing with a wiring loom frightens me. So I just want to know if I'm being ripped off again.

I took my car a few years ago to a mechanic. He wanted to charge me $600 for new carbies. I told him they simply needed a tune. He told me they'd have to be replaced.

I drove my car down the road to another mechanic. He said it might be a while.
He then called me in 20mins and said "yeah, just needed a tune, its all good" .. come and get it. Cost me less than $50 and ran like a dream.

That lovely mechanic took care of my car ever since. Wish he hadnt moved up the coast :(

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 06:13 PM

Hmmmm.....I don't normally weigh in to the emotive issues on this forum, but I'm with 6 shooter on the question of language. While everyone will have their own standards on the use of colorful language, this being a semi-public forum, we have collectively decided to maintain a standard which precludes foul language being acceptable under that standard. While you may not agree with it, that is the standard here, and that is what all are required to observe. End of discussion.

As for being ripped off by service providers, well, that can happen anywhere. I am a mechanic, and in my many years of providing service for a number of shops, I have seen varying practices. With dealers, you are paying for a lot of overhead (all those nice waiting rooms and courtesy buses). At little shops in industrial areas you are at the whim of the standards the shop keeps and the ability of the person doing your work. Accordingly, you must do your diligence and satisfy yourself that the shop you are using is working to the standards you expect, and the people doing the work are competent. After that, you must respect their expertise, and while questioning is healthy, to head in there confronting and abusing them will get you no-where fast.

I am in the locomotive maintenance business nowadays, and we provide top-notch services, and customers value that even though it costs them substantial $$ because they know it's what keeps their freight getting to the port.

Bottom line: Choose a good maintainer, discuss the situation with them respectfully, and the overwhelming majority of the time they will sort your problem out and get you going.

Cheers

Jamo

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 06:56 PM

This has gone on long enough - I'll be locking this thread shortly.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 07:17 PM

Accordingly, you must do your diligence and satisfy yourself that the shop you are using is working to the standards you expect, and the people doing the work are competent. After that, you must respect their expertise, and while questioning is healthy, to head in there confronting and abusing them will get you no-where fast.

Cheers

Jamo


Pretty much. I'm not the sort of person who would abuse anyone (espcially not the person in control of me getting my car back on the road).

If anyone cares I'll post a followup.

Have a good week everyone.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 07:30 PM

just to add to this, there is absolutely no reason why you cant go to the mechanic and say
"please replace the coil and points with these parts supplied, run new replacement wires to the coil as per factory specs.
Please test the alternator and record the details for me.
If there is anything else, call me before doing the work and i'll get back to you"

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:30 PM

just to add to this, there is absolutely no reason why you cant go to the mechanic and say
"please replace the coil and points with these parts supplied, run new replacement wires to the coil as per factory specs.
Please test the alternator and record the details for me.
If there is anything else, call me before doing the work and i'll get back to you"


absolutely the best option right there. Shows you know some stuff without annoying him.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:11 AM

What? You are projecting. I certainly never said all, in fact the very subject of my post is "pretty sure MY mechanic is dodgy".


No projecting from me at all. In my many years in the service industries and cruising the intarweeb, I've come across many people and posts like this one, where there is question of being scammed simply because the person doesn't understand the procedure, or system.

Yes. I wanted to vent. Yes I feel that swearing is helpful when one wants to let of steam. Do you seriously bang your toe and say "shivver"?
The car is with a mechanic. I'm well aware i'm out of my element when it comes to repairing electrical systems, and the thought of playing with a wiring loom frightens me. So I just want to know if I'm being ripped off again.


No I don't say "shivver" or "Oh phooey", I may say nothing at all or use colourful language, the difference is, I'm not stubbing my toe on the intarweeb , but later when I post about it (ok, I know, why would I post about it), I would use language that a grandfather would read to his grandkids about a situation that is humerus after the fact. (Why would a grandfather want to tell his grandkids about some random guy stubbing his toe? lol)

I took my car a few years ago to a mechanic. He wanted to charge me $600 for new carbies. I told him they simply needed a tune. He told me they'd have to be replaced.

I drove my car down the road to another mechanic. He said it might be a while.
He then called me in 20mins and said "yeah, just needed a tune, its all good" .. come and get it. Cost me less than $50 and ran like a dream.

That lovely mechanic took care of my car ever since. Wish he hadnt moved up the coast :(


Ok? You found someone that did the work necessary, not extra work. That's good. Many times it is hard to find someone like this.

Did your mechanic remove the dash and inspect the wiring, or is he assuming that the wires inside the dash harness are fine? I'm not saying there IS a problem in there, but until the car is running 100% and/or you actually physically the each and every wire that is in that circuit and near it (physically and electrically), you don't know for sure. I've been playing the automotive repair and modification game, specifically dealing with electrical and electronics for a very long time. I've seen some "could never happens" happen, never rule anything out until it is 100% repaired and physically inspected.

just to add to this, there is absolutely no reason why you cant go to the mechanic and say
"please replace the coil and points with these parts supplied, run new replacement wires to the coil as per factory specs.
Please test the alternator and record the details for me.
If there is anything else, call me before doing the work and i'll get back to you"


THIS^^^

If I had work done for me, that is exactly what I would do. I do all of my own automotive work, (other than safety inspections, similar to your rego inspections I beleive, and alignments), because I can't afford to pay someone else for it and I enjoy it, usually. lol When it comes to other services though, the above is the exact practice that people need to employ, find someone they can trust, and ask questions, along with agreeing on a set limit to go to, where additional authorization will be needed.

I'll suggest that next time, you think there is something questionable about a service technician's repair procedure, ask questions, of the person doing the work, he may have a valid reason why. If it sounds like bull puckey, then research, and ask other people that might be able to verify or deny, but do so in a non accusatory manner, you'll get much better replies from the start. ;)

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 06:09 AM

No projecting from me at all. In my many years in the service industries and cruising the intarweeb, I've come across many people and posts like this one, where there is question of being scammed simply because the person doesn't understand the procedure, or system.

No I don't say "shivver" or "Oh phooey", I may say nothing at all or use colourful language, the difference is, I'm not stubbing my toe on the intarweeb ,


My point is that there are times when using foul language is appropriate. Situations where people would not take offense at offensive language. Times when using colourful language does exactly that ..it adds a little colour to the discussion.

Did your mechanic remove the dash and inspect the wiring, or is he assuming that the wires inside the dash harness are fine? I'm not saying there IS a problem in there, but until the car is running 100% and/or you actually physically the each and every wire that is in that circuit and near it (physically and electrically), you don't know for sure. I've been playing the automotive repair and modification game, specifically dealing with electrical and electronics for a very long time. I've seen some "could never happens" happen, never rule anything out until it is 100% repaired and physically inspected.


Not that I'm aware of. I do know that many many wires are accessible inside the car, so I'm assuming he at least looked at these. I know from my own inspections the ones incar seemed fine (but no, i doubt he has taken out the dash to be certain.

I'll suggest that next time, you think there is something questionable about a service technician's repair procedure, ask questions, of the person doing the work, he may have a valid reason why. If it sounds like bull puckey, then research, and ask other people that might be able to verify or deny, but do so in a non accusatory manner, you'll get much better replies from the start. ;)


I did exactly that. I told him to do what I'd asked. To get it running and then see if the alternator needed fixing. He basically said it wasn't worth risking all the work and having it fry again. I mentioned the snapped ground wire and he said that was unlikely to be the cause. So I came here asking for confirmation (and it seems I was right to be wary).



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Posted 31 October 2011 - 06:34 AM

My point is that there are times when using foul language is appropriate. Situations where people would not take offense at offensive language. Times when using colourful language does exactly that ..it adds a little colour to the discussion.


What the rest of us are trying to explain nicely, is that fowl or colourful language on a, or at the very least this, forum is NOT appropriate. There are many reasons for this, I've already stated how I look at people that insist on using it. Chat that way with your mates or co-workers, just not around the forum. To spell it out a little more, some people would or will take offense to cursing being used on the forums in a post very much like these.

Not that I'm aware of. I do know that many many wires are accessible inside the car, so I'm assuming he at least looked at these. I know from my own inspections the ones incar seemed fine (but no, i doubt he has taken out the dash to be certain.


Just looking under the dash at the bundled up wires won't tell you anything. I've repaired harness that looked perfectly fine on the outside, you know the harness wrap looked like brand new, no indications that there was anything wrong internally, slice it open however, and there were burnt wires. Again, I'm not saying there is for sure in your case, wires in the dash that are damaged, but until everything is running 100% again, you can NOT rule it out. I have seen some wires where they will get hot at either end, hot only in the middle, or hot at multiple points along it's length.

I did exactly that. I told him to do what I'd asked. To get it running and then see if the alternator needed fixing. He basically said it wasn't worth risking all the work and having it fry again. I mentioned the snapped ground wire and he said that was unlikely to be the cause. So I came here asking for confirmation (and it seems I was right to be wary).


Well if he said the snapped ground couldn't cause it, find a different mechanic, he obviously has very little understanding of automotive electrical, it could be the whole problem, or at least a contributor. Like I said long ago, fix what is known to need repair than move onto the questionable.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 07:15 AM

OK.  I reckon this is now done ..... pending a result.  Further exchanges on the merits of different aspects of the Queens English (or phrases that she may avoid) would be better handled via PM or simply ignored.  Please.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 07:58 AM

Geez some people have too much time on their hands.
Lurch please put an end to this suffering.  ;)




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