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#21 MaygZ

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 08:31 PM

"hilux/4runner clipers" isn't that what Jeremy Clarkson created when he bolted an outboard on the back of a hilux?


Technically a Clipper is a sail boat.  It is more like if Capt Slow crossed his MG with Clarkson's Hilux.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 08:34 PM

  What's the best way to widen that gap?  Probably only need 2.5mm either side.

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Luke,

I can't recall who did it, but someone here made a plate to fit between the two halves of the caliper to create the gap which you seek.

Someone else may be able to remember who did it and post the link.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 08:53 PM

Oh yeah.
They did too.
It had recesses machined on both sides to accommodate o-rings. I think?

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:09 PM

Do the hubs have a step where the disc sits to ensure no movement.......as well as the 4 bolts. Will spacing this way make the disc hat sit off the step? Also in the pics it looks like the back side of the caliper groove is touching the disc but the front isn't.  ;)

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:27 PM

I thought this was meant to be a bolt on upgrade? ???

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:44 PM

With 260z hubs it bolts on, but the discs need to be drilled to suit zed pattern, centre hole matched to hub bore and the caliper needs to be widened to suit the TP magna 23mm disc.

This happened the same way to me but I have a 260z 2+2 parts car that has been very helpful. So my hubs came straight off that.

I think 50% of the 'bolt on mods' I've done have been anything but bolt on  ::) The bad thing is it's only discovered after the car is in bits.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 10:04 PM

I thought this was meant to be a bolt on upgrade? ???


Hey Beeber,

I think there are bolt on versions of this upgrade, and then there are ways to make it just a little more complicated.

George

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:39 AM

Hey Beeber,

I think there are bolt on versions of this upgrade, and then there are ways to make it just a little more complicated.

George

LOL  ;D


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Posted 18 November 2011 - 08:10 AM

I thought this was meant to be a bolt on upgrade? ???

Sure are, if you use solid rotors.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 08:46 AM

Sure are, if you use solid rotors.

Oh, I see.  ;)

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 12:08 PM

Also the vented calipers come very close to my wheels, there would be 2mm clearance between the caliper face and the wheel spokes. I run konig rewinds 16x8 zero offset. So fitting the spacer plates between the caliper halves could cause more trouble....

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 06:47 AM

Luke,

I can't recall who did it, but someone here made a plate to fit between the two halves of the caliper to create the gap which you seek.

Someone else may be able to remember who did it and post the link.

MaygZ


I have seen this thread, the modded plates that went between the calipers looked pretty damn serious.  With the tools in my shed, certainly not an overnight job. 
And as for Gareth's call, "I think 50% of the 'bolt on mods' I've done have been anything but bolt on  ::) The bad thing is it's only discovered after the car is in bits."  This is spot on at my house mate.  My Zeds been up on stands now for 2 months as I problem solve my "bolt on" mods, but with the help I'm getting in here, the light is now at the end of the tunnel  :D

Cheers
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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:24 PM

These "bolt on" mods can be trying cant they?
I've been searching for answers on all these s12?? calipers for yonks and i mean over 10 years on and off it only gets worse haha
I already have the +8s done that in about 98
they flew on there with only the backing plate mod i cant remember the hilux exactly but i think i was looking for 86 4x4 Utes that time
now I'm up to my armpits in the vented set up with my s12w's 91 4runner v6 and the "disk" options are killing me!
i was going to go magna but there 24mm so that's out unless i get the slot enlarged when there apart
the machining will be done on the disk what ever i end up with and i have the r31 rear brackets to get done too!
I'm going to rip the old fronts (s12+8) off tomorrow and see if there the larger ones its been to long to remember
Those chaps at Toyota sure like to change there mind on there calipers a lot don't they?
hope everyone else is having more luck now. 

pics of calipers to compare turns out my +8's are the narrow ones so ill use the new ones with silvia disk

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and to confirm that 513 16x8+0 will clear and this is without caliper bolt spacers that will make more room

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:11 AM

Here are the calipers side by side as requested and a pic of the caliper gap, which is 23mm.  This should suit the S13 rotors at 22mm nicely  :D.

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Cheers
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This is a very interesting thread for me because I bought the S12-8 rebuilt callipers for the 20mm vented rotors. And I was surprised to measure the gap for the rotor at 20mm instead of 23mm like Luke measured. So it means I either received the calliper for the solid version or my calliper have been machined and they reduced the gap by 3mm during the rebuilt.
EMPRACING, could you measure the gap on the S12-8 for solid rotors please? Is it 20mm?



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:33 AM

G'day Mitx and welcome aboard.

Yes there are two models of 's12+8'.  One with a gap of 23mm (ish) for vented discs and one at 20mm (ish) for solid rotors.  Obviously the 20mm ones can be used with standard rotor and the 23mm ones can take a larger and ventilated disc.

We always talk of them as Hilux calipers, but I would like to remind people that the same calipers are on Landcruisers and Surfs (less common here in Oz).  I pulled mine off a 60 series 'cruiser that had vented discs, so I knew they were the right ones.

I would love to see some pictures and story of a Swiss Zed, please  ;)

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:42 AM

G'day Mitx and welcome aboard.

Yes there are two models of 's12+8'.  One with a gap of 23mm (ish) for vented discs and one at 20mm (ish) for solid rotors.  Obviously the 20mm ones can be used with standard rotor and the 23mm ones can take a larger and ventilated disc.

We always talk of them as Hilux calipers, but I would like to remind people that the same calipers are on Landcruisers and Surfs (less common here in Oz).  I pulled mine off a 60 series 'cruiser that had vented discs, so I knew they were the right ones.

I would love to see some pictures and story of a Swiss Zed, please  ;)

In fact I ordered the callipers for a HJ60 series landcruiser with the good reference number, and I believe that the wrong callipers were put in the parcel. This is what I ordered: http://www.123pieces...1046&FZGNR=6765

Here is my presentation, http://www.viczcar.c...ic,10612.0.html


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 09:47 AM

Hey again the +8s that i have are for the solids the guy thats doing my disks had a +8 with the bigger gap they DO fit over the silvia disk but man its tight and so is the s12w that i have
ill break out the verniers when i can find them  :o but i think theres some factory variance because the "solid" calipers gap i have are WAY narrower by eye than the vented
also i now need to get the caliper moved out to clear the 280mm disk because i cant machine the outside down and dont want to waste the disks and the s12w is probabyl too big to make work on the street at this rate i should have put vt fronts on!!!

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:37 PM

How are S12Ws to big for the street?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:57 PM

"edit" the +8 gap on my calipers  is 15mm sameish as the stock calipers

oops some of the message got lost there and I'm not even sure what i said!
basically the guy at the shop reckons ide need a bloody 1 1/16 MC to make it work
and even then it would be feel crappy on the pedal it seems telling him that heaps of
people run with the 1" and its OK didn't win that argument?
unless he got them mixxed up with 13s?
also told me you cant weld caliper brackets and get them teched
i don't freekn know anymore  :o
ill have to have a long chat with an engineer real soon!

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:29 PM

I am using a four piston caliper, not hilux toyota, my vented discs did not clear both diameter and thickness, but not by much.
I had a mobile brake disc machinist guy come by, knocked off couple mm on diam, and faced the pad surface arwa down 0.8 mm each side , 1.6 mm. It clears all fine, and no issue.
Ok you wont have the stamped markings on edge to tell you min thickness, no biggie, and you wont need to weld and redrill caliper to leg mounts to run the full diam.
BTW none of mine is on a Zed, but principle is the same.
If needing to offset caliper ie fit a waher between strut leg caliper mount ears and caliper ensure you use hardened steel washers, not plain washets, i had to use 2 mm thick hard washers.
My rotors went from 280 to 278 diam, and 22 to 20.4 thick, plenty meat left!




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