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#21 MaygZ

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 06:46 PM

Thanks guys.  But don't forget - "what happened on the trip to Maygz's, stays at Maygz's"



which part dont you agree with? ;D

I don't disagree with any part of it.  I simply disagree with you!

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 06:59 PM

charming

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:16 PM

charming


Simon is ;)

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:21 PM

Simon is ;)

we'll see :)

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:26 PM

I cant add much more to whats been said already except that I will be seriously reviewing what I post and how much detail I provide.

Ive only ever posted one Youtube clip and it may be my last, this is sad and even more sad is that I love the pics and posts from Pete (and others) but understand where they are coming from if they wish to wind back their content.

Ive had friends that have had bad experiences when selling things and Ive always made a practice of meeting buyers off site so they cant case the joint. So far Ive been lucky but its only a matter of time. Having said that I put a lot of trust in this forum (too much maybe) and have welcomed people to my place to pick up when I arranged a group buy, no disrespect to the people concerned but I may not do this again.

Much like John (Sirpent) I had to register and get approval from MODs for some BMW web sites, cant say I'm rapt with that but I do understand and am gratefull for the insight gained as I couldn't have done what I have without their help.

I guess I'm in favour of a locked section as I think the sharing of detailed information is one of the strengths of this forum and I would hate to see that disappear. It makes it harder for newby's to find the info but given the circumstances I think its warranted.

On  a final note....treat what you post on this forum as you would anything you would post on Facebook.


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Posted 25 July 2011 - 08:01 PM

It is a terrible shame what happened to Peter but I'm affraid people were being robbed well before the internet, both by random crimes of opportunity and by calculating and informed individuals. Sure, there is a fairly good chance that someone got information from this forum but there is an equally as good chance that they did not. This quickly escalated into a witch hunt and we are starting to burn the forum before checking whether it floats.

I think a small locked section could be good for a LIMITED number of posts/things but it's simple, if we start restricting the quality and accesibility of information on the site, less people are going to come here and less people will be bothered sticking around. The value of this site is directly related to its content which is directly related to its member base.

Forming tight friendships with a select few is a nice biproduct of the site, but this is not a chat room for a small group of clicky people who have passed the initiation test. It should be a place to inform and entertain and bring together people with a common love of cars (or a common sense of boredom at work ;) ).

Just be smart with what you post in any online community, lock the doors and take out some insurance! (not saying that Peter didn't do any of these things)

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:05 PM

One thing I do hope happens when this "individual" is found, is to name and shame him to make an example and to hopefully try and prevent this happening again. Or better yet, drag them out to the middle of nowhere and ..ummm you get the idea.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:58 AM

Major issue I see is that as a "guest" a visitor is not known to anyone, does not post anything, but can read and monitor so much information.

Fwiw set the forum up in total as locked, and if anyone is keen or in anyway interested in what we are all about, they can register, and in the registration process they supply some basics that enable the mods to have some possibility of reverse tracking them if need be.

Other thing, any new applicant should / could be introduced by an existing member, although this could be a bit precious.
I am on other forums where this is required, and because I want to be there it is not an imposition in anyway.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 10:18 AM

Hi All,

This is actually my first post as I am still trying to find a Zed in WA, but honestly I may not have become a member had I not been able to see the value of this forum first. Despite this, I think that member security is really needed. I would have no problem paying a small fee on sign up, maybe guest should only be able to see the titles of posts or even the first entry to give them a taste of what they can find in the forum. Member locations could also be hidden. Realistically though, as many have said we need to think about how much info we put online. Like MaygZ said, use PM's people and get to know someone before you share your details with them.

Unfortunately social media has become one of the latest ways for the devious to work their magic. I guess it would be irresponsible not to make some changes to protect our privacy. But once again like Maygz said where the staple are put needs to be carefully considered so as not  to kill of such a valuable resource.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 10:29 AM

There it is, a first time poster who thinks member security is needed.
+karma for oy sir

There are lots of threads that can remain untouched, ie - techical areas
Its mainly the members projects that are in need of protection.

I even don't care about the classified section. Leave it open for all. But leave exchanges alone to PM's.

I have sent a PM to Gav requesting more security, and encourage those who feel the need to do the same.

And where is the big fella on this?
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#31 BobsYourUncle

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 11:00 AM

There are lots of threads that can remain untouched, ie - techical areas Its mainly the members projects that are in need of protection.

I even don't care about the classified section. Leave it open for all. But leave exchanges alone to PM's.


I'm against locking things down, or charging to join, but I'd agree to that - registered users only in the journal section. There's always the "Featured Cars" thing on the main page to show off completed projects.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:45 PM

I can see it gets a lot of guests in here, 49 and 11 members.
Locking threads to members is not going to stop what happened, giving too much personal information does that and main thing you shouldn't do is let people know you are away from your property, and if it is a car event organized get somebody to look after your place that day.

One of the bike forums I belong to have a guest section which we make easy for spys to read and any thing we want known to anybody goes in there  and then associate members section which you only need email address to get into, and then we have a full members section and to be a full member you have to give more information and we organize get together's and more personal stuff, I have actually had an AGM of full members at my place with 30 camping over and had no fear of any of them stealing stuff.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:54 PM

All this just makes me homesick! talk of opening up a can of whoop ass on someone who thinks 5 finger discount is still the best way to win friends and influence people, to Maygz adventures on the high seas to salty's... O.K now I'm in tears and looking for cheap flights home just so I can stand around a BBQ, drink a beer whilst staring at an engine under a Zed's lifted top and corporately fantasying about the rumored barn finds to be had in rural Vicroria...I have to stop and take a Valium...talk soon!  :'(
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:58 PM

There it is, a first time poster who thinks member security is needed.
+karma for oy sir

There are lots of threads that can remain untouched, ie - techical areas
Its mainly the members projects that are in need of protection.

I even don't care about the classified section. Leave it open for all. But leave exchanges alone to PM's.

I have sent a PM to Gav requesting more security, and encourage those who feel the need to do the same.

And where is the big fella on this?
LURCH....... Where art thou?


I support Simon 100% on this matter !

And with all respect to Gav the creator of the site, I have to say it again for what ever it is worth.

This forum in many respects oustrips a lot of the other Z forums on the WWW as far as damn good informative innovative technical information and support, where it lacks however is in the way that some of this information particularly in visual terms is free source.

Go join Hybrid Z, or MBWorld.org where I am also a member and try and access my posts, unless you are a member and enjoy trying to decipher reams of text  I can guarantee you will become bored very quickly.

On other sites, access to even posted technical attachments cannot be accessed.

This simple machines platform is pretty versatile for smaller forums, but what is accumulating here as far as technical matter is going beyond its versatility, I owned a SC400 Lexus/Soarer and was a member on PlanetSoarer some years ago, their technical threads and archives are brilliant and something that would work great for this membership.

BUT, this all costs money and as I have said before, if a member logs on here once and looks for answers or approaches another member for assistance the value could run into $100's, I get numerous PM's on body questions and would hope that the advice I have given has paid off to those members who have registered and been able to PM me, and if any of you are reading this maybe you could back up this argument.

Peter, Lurch, David, NZ Mike, Dimitri, My Bro Loui !, Mick from SA, Rev, Benny, Simon 1 and Simon 2, hell the list goes on have all shared not only their knowledge with me but also been there on a personal level on countless occasions, and I was once a newbie also but was welcomed and hopefully added to the experience here as much as I have gained from it.

Its not about locking ppl out of the forum, its about taking it to the next stage, a stage it deserves but also protecting the intellectual knowledge and investment people give this site every day and the personal risks they may face as a consequence of that, Peter's situation is a prime example.

If everyone wants this to just serve as a social chat forum, that's fine, if ppl want to help build one of the best Z sites world wide then its time we all stood up dipped our hands in our pockets on an annual basis and give Gav the chance to take it to a new platform with realistic features so that the input on the site continues not just to better it and our experience but also archive our achievements and knowledge for the next generation.

Last year my son almost died, the outpouring of support from individuals here was overwhelming and it touched me in a way that one night I cried while sitting next to my comatose son in intensive care while surfing the forum on my mobile, point is he pulled out of it and the car will be his one day, I hope that he will continue my legacy with the car in 30 years from now when the rest of us are sitting in a retirement home toothless and wheel chair bound reminiscing about the days when a litre of fuel was $4.00.

That my wish for this site, my car and my son.

Nuf said.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 01:12 PM

All this just makes me homesick! talk of opening up a can of whoop ass on someone who thinks 5 finger discount is still the best way to win friends and influence people, to Maygz adventures on the high seas to salty's... O.K now I'm in tears and looking for cheap flights home just so I can stand around a BBQ, drink a beer whilst staring at an engine under a Zed's lifted top and corporately fantasying about the rumored barn finds to be had in rural Vicroria...I have to stop and take a Valium...talk soon!  :'(
Rev


God speed and hurry back Rev !

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 02:36 PM

To throw my hat into the ring...

Yes it was a horrible thing that Pete got robbed, however to all of a sudden to go on a crusade/beat down the door of Gav to lock down the forum is a very trigger happy response. I will start off by saying I am a big fan of open forums because they can provide a great insight and ideas to my projects and if you were to go and lock down certain sections of the forum as detailed you might find that you are actively deterring people from joining... I know I would not have registered if I wasn't able to see before hand that there was a genuinely insightful group of people online.

If this forum was locked up that probably would have been a fairly significant deterrent for me in terms of buying a Z. It brings an unwelcome feeling to the ownership of a car... and few people would want to get involved in a certain hobby if the feeling that they recieved was that the culture surrounding that hobby was closed off and insular.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 04:09 PM

Yes it was a horrible thing that Pete got robbed, however to all of a sudden to go on a crusade/beat down the door of Gav to lock down the forum is a very trigger happy response.


I dont think its trigger happy, especially since the culprit has been caught and this discussion is still open. The incident has brought to light an issue that needs to be considered. It is one that may have previously been overlooked.

If this forum was locked up that probably would have been a fairly significant deterrent for me in terms of buying a Z. It brings an unwelcome feeling to the ownership of a car... and few people would want to get involved in a certain hobby if the feeling that they recieved was that the culture surrounding that hobby was closed off and insular.


Maybe instead of a notice telling guests that certain areas are for members only a brief explanation that they are locked for the protection of members privacy might help prevent negative feelings. Free membership could still be offered with an option of donating on sign up. Maybe features like sending a PM, posting and viewing member details could remain locked until members donate. That way new members would get a good taste and if they are seriously interested they can get involved. I know that would rule me out right know but I will be donating as soon as this post is finished, to prevent any hypocracy.

I hope you don't think i am having a go at you Agno, I think that its an important issue that should be considered and discussed. Think of facebook. The most successful social media website we know. Try and access someones page without becoming a member or someones friend. Security doesn't always mean scaring people away.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 05:33 PM

I'm not going to bang on about this subject too much - other members that I'm in agreeance with, have already posted far more then I could be bothered typing!
Peter's theft would appear an isolated case with circumstances involved.

I still believe this forum should remail 'open' EXCEPT for the Members Project's section. I feel that the cars in that section may become targets of theft or the like & should be closed to anyone who has a post count of - say - less than 20 for example.
Leave the Classifieds section open, as you never know when a bargain will be posted from a person who has never been heard of before...

My 2c.


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Posted 26 July 2011 - 09:39 PM

I still believe this forum should remail 'open' EXCEPT for the Members Project's section. I feel that the cars in that section may become targets of theft or the like & should be closed to anyone who has a post count of - say - less than 20 for example.

+1
This should not affect traffic to the site too much and still have heaps of info available to everyone.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 09:41 PM

Once again word of wisdom from the grump one. so it + 1 from me ;D 




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