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#21 zedrally

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 05:49 PM

Hey NZeder,
I just read about the Silverfern Rally and the stink that followed from the "English" delegation with their Group 4 Escorts...
I particularly like the notion that cars can be modified beyond PRC level, I guess it just depends on how much modification is allowed..
I believe that there are more freedoms that PRC in Australia allow, can you elaborate?

Seems to be a common denominator here...Jap vs Pom/anything else..

(Sorry for hijacking the Gordon Dobie bit, but I guess it's a evolving thread...)

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 06:19 PM

Guys this is great reading so dont apologise.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 08:04 AM

so two weeks ago I am in Japan visting Nismo and get an invite to the Zama storage wharehouse, and what do I see, and get info on but these tow, along with a genuine Z432.
First is a SCCN white Z fitted with a LY28
LY??? It is a L bottom end with a crossflow Y head fited, see pics.
The other thing is what grabbed my goolies, and on asking the head of nismo, he confirmed that Nissan supplied/sold to the Japanese Highway Patrol/Police Department some 30 of these police cars, fitted with ZG nose, flares wider rims and tyres, four piston brakes and the 432 engine 9 de-tuned)
These were sold to the Jap Popo to catch all the naughty boys on the Wangan's ( expressways) late at night.
They even supplied ,in 1966 the original Sylvia CSP311 model as a police car.
I am now getting direct confirmation from nissan as to what spec the police car was and will then attempt to hit CAMS Australia with this information.
Apparently the bloody poms, krauts and Yanks can get away with all sorts of mods to their so called 'stock" as produced by the car manufactures sports cars.
Please, tell me how in hell a Shelby GT350 Mustang is a "sports car" the white one in Aus group S in genuine, the green one is a 'parts" asembled car, and not genuine,'cept for the repro alloy ID tags fitted!!
Buch of bloody cheaters.
Wait till we get our Group S zeds fitted with flares, G noses, Sumitome four piston calpers, vented front brakes, rims up to 10 inches wide, twincam four valve head, triple carbs.
Wont he shizz well and truly hit the fan!
BTW I visited a workshop in outer Tokyo, and what is left just lying around on the floor, but original S30 twincam 4 valve heads GGGRRR
Anyway lets see if pics upload!
nup files too big?
Anyway we got like 700 photos in 16 days in Japan, some good stuff!
I'm a pic posting numpty!

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 09:11 AM

maybe upload your pics to picasa or flickr or something... dying to see them!!

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 09:39 AM

great post dat2kman. I still have my pair of MK63 aka Sumitomo 4 pots for the day I get another zed that I build as period correct :D

All this info is good and like you say the more we can find out the better (be it from guys like Gordon and what they did back in the day or Nissan with the kind of info you have started to find out).

It was well known that Japanese Police got Z432 and ZG but I did not know they were the Z432 with ZG overfenders and G-Nose installed so it would great to know more about these cars.

Recently my mates 240z was not allowed to racing in a 70's grid. The reason - the 240z never had a back seat so could not be a classed as saloon or GT (it was a 70's grid for saloons and GT's). WTF??? not a GT?? so he had to race in the "Sports, Sports Racing & GT class" with the likes of a TVR, Corvette, Lotus Elans, Mallocks.

If you check with the old British guys they will tell you a "sports car" is a 2 seater open top car. So they makes the 240z a GT and therefore I guess a Shelby GT350. But if a sports car is a "2 seater" then the 240z is such a car and the Shelby is not as they were always 2+2.

I guess until we start holding our own meetings will this one eyed-ness stop.

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Posted 07 February 2011 - 12:58 PM

Great stuff Jason

I had the same frustration over eligibility with my Sc 240z 10 years ago and had numerous heated exchenges with the VHRR eligibility officer (who happened to race an Sc MGB with Webers !) over front spoilers, triple 44 Minkunis, CDi ignition and oil coolers ...............even my Datsun competion steering wheel for Cripes sake!! which I proved was in the parts catalogue !

The bazaar thing is :
Sb Roadster - oil cooler permited , electronic ignition - permited - Mikuni's permitted 

Sc 240Z- Mikuni's - not permitted, electronic ignition - not permitted, oil cooler - not permitted ...........I was asked to proved that these were factory options available from the dealers so I handed over a copy of a Datsun competion parts brochure.............only to be told that it did not have a dealer stamp and a date on it so I was "out of luck" dispite a price list in Aussie dollars !!!.

In the finish they wore my down until I gave up and I sold the 240z to John Ingham who ran it in a few events (John had the red/white/blue Sb 2000 and sold that to Tom Cantwell that now languishes in Lou Mondello's shop)

keep up the fight !

cheers

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 03:51 PM

My father and I have been involved with Historic Racing in NSW for quite a few years on the scrutineering side of things.  I have seen the same kind of frustration
with regards to the Mazda RX2's in Group N.  Wayne Rogerson, who actually raced the little buggers back in the early 70's, had a black coupe that used to run top 5
at Eastern Creek before he wrote off the body.  He run up against the same kind of pig headedness in his category in the early days (the V8's didn't want to see a Jap
car competing with them up the front.)

One of the big problems we both agree with is that fuel injected cars in Group SC have a distinct advantage.  If running a carby car, you are stuck with the original manifold
and a bigger carby.  If you have fuel injection, you can install the latest and greatest programmable system.  You have virtually ended up with a class where if there are about
8 Porsche's, they take the first 8 places with the Morgans, TVRs and Zeds about half a lap behind.

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Posted 11 February 2011 - 10:23 PM

GTI-Z, surely you do not mean to say that the Porkers with their fancy fule injection are running non standard as produced by the porker factory in Germany??
In my Group Sc 280z ( USA Spec) I have to and am running the stock fuel injection setup and ecu, it is just that i am telling the ecu certain things by way of variable resistors in the signals going to the ecu, to make the ecu do what I want it to do, a bit like changing the air and fuel jets on a Weber, or, changing the SU neddle on a SUHitachi carb on a 240/260Z!

The Mazda RX2's got their wish some time ago, ie Bridgeporting, they also are safety conciuos in the whole Group N filed, and allow the cars to run a better brake packge, diam must stay the same, but vented and four piston cals is fine, not like Group S, you must run stock as supplied/produced by factory!!

The fuel injected guys in Sc do not have an advantage, they cannot ( or shouldn't be) use the latest and greatest ecu's throttle bodies, etc, as we are to use the stock throttle body ( 280z is a stock ID of 48mm)  the Porkers have an advantage in that they have two throttle bodies of some 45 mm diam,
where as the Alfa GTV can use twin anythings ( Dellorto/Weber in anysize they like, ie up to 48mm, they cant get the 55mm ones to suck air enuf, oh gee !!)

I really am amazed I can get my Zed to run as well as it does in Sc, it has drawbacks, and I have to drive around these on track, it is fun though, but, the Datsun Sports 2000 is like a go kart on steroids compared to the 280Z!
James Fletts 260 walks away from me at Sandown, and Eastern Creek, but I get him at Bathurst!

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 12:04 PM

dat2kman,

Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding of the fuel injection issue.  I'm just disappointed that the class has turned into a Porsche cakewalk most of the time.

Brad

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Posted 16 February 2011 - 06:49 PM

Hi all,

Recieved another PM from Gordon Dobie this evening, he was online for a short time, he wrote as follows..........

Hi Sirpent

Yes it is me, not "some wize arse playing a joke". I have noticed a large number of questions re: Z engine mods and on the forum page. The answers to a lot of these questions can be found on the Tech page of my website at  <www.datperform.com>. Although I am retired I am still able to provide  Z owners with any information  that may be helpful.

Gordon Dobie


In light of what Gordon posted and assuming there must be a number of members that may be asking questions of him via PM, I think it may be a good idea if we set up a page for Gordon where only questions can be posted, not general chatter where Gordon may have a chance to read them and respond, this way the questions posed which may be of interest to many members and the responses which Im sure would be equally as interesting can be shared by all.

Do I see a show of hands or +1's to this and do the mods feel it would be appropriate?

Cheers

John

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 08:41 AM

Do I see a show of hands or +1's to this and do the mods feel it would be appropriate?

+1
But where do we draw the line getting info from the tech guys?
There are a few experts about...... Maybe a whole new section dedicated.
But there may be alot of dumb questions like where can I get a RWC or bumper  :P

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:58 PM

+1
But where do we draw the line getting info from the tech guys?
There are a few experts about...... Maybe a whole new section dedicated.
But there may be alot of dumb questions like where can I get a RWC or bumper  :P


I see your point and agree with you Simon, Peter Mac, David, Dimitri, and yes even Lurch all have some fantastic input and invaluable info, so maybe a tech page dedicated to some of the more qualified crew, and if I missed anyone I apologise.

I guess what I was originally getting at was that Gordon apart from his technical nous also has a historical perspective and with the right questions I bet it would make for some great reading and also save it in a way for posterity, not that we are expecting Gordon to disappear any time soon don't get me wrong.

Food for thought anyhow.

Cheers

John

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:12 PM

+1, Think it would be a great idea John.  Often people PM for info but then it almost remains in isolation and opportunity to resource a wider audience with common (or uncommon) information would be awesome.
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:50 PM

Thanks Rev,

I know its a hard and somewhat greay area, but i think we honestly do need a tech corner, and I would probably say that the best way to run it would be that until each tech topic was closed, another one couldnt be posted, that way there would be continuity to the thread.

But this seems to get more complex as we discuss it, so Im bowing out from this point and we can open the floor for comments from the forum.

Cheers

John



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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:53 PM

My concern is that people won't use the search anymore, they will just arx the eggspurt

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 05:19 PM

maybe just more stickies under different categories, with a tagline of certified information and a different highlighted background, green or something like that??

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 06:50 PM

Preserving historical info and making it widely available is an excellent idea, as I am not a club member though thats enough from me.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 07:10 PM

excellent idea gents.  :) 260det you are a  ;)member here my Friend.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:33 PM

I personally wood love to talk to Gordon about the z. Even better wood love to have a beer with him and talk about zeds some one should organise this as a talk night with Gordon would be a grate night

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:36 PM

Pete,

Im trying to arrange just that as you write, just waiting for him to get back to me.

Cheers

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