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#1 dat2kman

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:01 AM

Can supply complete  Sumitomo MK63 calipers in both vented and non vented style,
Also Brake pads, "K2" brand to suit with temp range from 0 to 500 deg celsius - Street , or, 30 - 700 deg celsius - Race! .
Also MK63 caliper rubber seal kits, and no they are not HiLux/Landcruiser, they are original Nissan Parts with the rather odd piston seal ring!
Prices will vary de to fluctations in exchange.
Delivery in approx 10-14 days via Aus post

Only doing this 'cos I found a sick puppy that can, and I needed it all for the George Fury 120Y, on the BACK axle,
the front brakes are a gazillion times ginormously bigger!
best to pm me with your exact? details/requirements

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:06 AM

What's the difference between these and a series 1 hilux caliper?

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:09 AM

Can you post some pics and info maybe?

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:12 AM

i believe they look something like this
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:37 PM

Cheers Bryan, could you find a bigger pic please?  :P
Are they a bolt on mod? Offset?
What size rotor are they to suit? std?
Just general info

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:44 PM

Great picture Bryan.  Now all I need is a 55" laptop!!  Can someone who knows what they are doing (ie not me) please shrink those photos, so I can see what the calipers look like, please?

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:46 PM

Just right click on the photo and save it to view on your computer.

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 12:50 PM

Just right click on the photo and save it to view on your computer.


Thanks RB - worked a treat.

Hey Dat2kman,  can you tell us a bit more about these calipers?  Are they OEM for a particular vehicle?  Do they bolt up for the Zeds?  Does the job require an engineering degree?  What size discs are suitable?  etc

Thank you

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 01:25 PM

Thanks RB - worked a treat.

Hey Dat2kman,  can you tell us a bit more about these calipers?  Are they OEM for a particular vehicle?  Do they bolt up for the Zeds?  Does the job require an engineering degree?  What size discs are suitable?  etc

Thank you

They are the correct FIA approved caliper for the 240z/260z and many other Nissan's (240RS also I believe). There were listed on the sport option catalogues for a number of Nissan's including out beloved Zeds. They were factory fitted to the Nissan President. As Dat2kman has stated they were/are available in non-vented (aka straight bolt on no disc changes from stock 240z/260z stuff - thus upgrading from Sumitomo 2 pots to 4 pots and a larger pad area) and vented. The vented setup required the use of the 260z hubs and a special rotor that is NLA from Nissan (last time I priced these up in the mid 90's when you could still get them they were $350USD each). However much like the Toy 4x4 other rotors can be sub in with a correct spacer and specs.

These are not light or cheap but are 100% period correct and approved/homologated for the S30z. 
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 03:08 PM

So they are basically the same as hilux but factory made and therefore approved for historic racing. What size are the pistons? How do they compare with hilux 12+8 (pad area looks slightly bigger) ? Are parts/pads easily available for them or do they need to be imported?

Here's some extra pics I found  :)

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 04:17 PM

So they are basically the same as hilux but factory made and therefore approved for historic racing. What size are the pistons? How do they compare with hilux 12+8 (pad area looks slightly bigger) ? Are parts/pads easily available for them or do they need to be imported?

Here's some extra pics I found  :)

Well given MK63's were around long before the Toyota (Sumitomo manufactured) 4x4 aka 12+8/S14W/S13W it is the other way around ie the 4x4 4 pots are like the MK63's ;) I believe some countries have agreed that there is next to no major advantage in running the newer Sumitomo S12W/12+8 so these are permitted as MK63 substitutes - but that does depend on your local racing rules and what CAMS (and other competitors) will permit. PADs and parts can be found in Japan - so I assume importing is the only option.

Last time I ordered parts for my MK63 I purchased new pistons, seals and PADS (DS11 for those that recall those pads ;) and I still have them new in the box :D) but that was early 90's

Sumitomo only recently stop manufacture the MK63's (2 or maybe 3 years ago - so that was a long production run from the early 60's to 00's

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 08:21 PM

These are not cheap budget items, if you are gonna question re hilux vs these, just go hilux, simple and easy.
if you want true period authentic, these are the original Nissan Option parts.
I can supply a 2 piece vented disc ( hub and disc assy) at $1150 AUD a set
The calipers are vented at $1270 AUD a set,
the pads are $380 AUD a set in the race compound.
i can also get the S30 stock caliper pads in race compound, they work quite well

There is stock of pads and seal kits, and vented calipers, but non vented ( straight bolt on to stock disc) is almost NLA
Guy has most reamaining stock left in the world.
Also can source the race pads for most other older Nissans.  also has rare factory vented rotors for older GC110/210 Skylines and 240K's, with the Sumitomos being fritted to these for Jap Domestic racing duty

Hilux Sumi's are not the same, but close, and pads wont fit. Brake pad shops dont seem to be able to supply race compounds for Hilux, best option is a h/d 4wd pad, and watch when they fade!

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 09:08 PM

That is not a bad price given what you are getting. $1270 a set - try and price up the period correct AP calipers and good race pads for Wilwoods etc are $500 a set here in NZD (that is funny money to you Ozzies)

There is a reason I have sold 3 set of Hilux calipers but have always kept my MK63's ;) at that price I might be tempted to have a new set on the shelf next to my second hand units :D

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 09:49 AM

Hilux Sumi's are not the same, but close, and pads wont fit. Brake pad shops dont seem to be able to supply race compounds for Hilux, best option is a h/d 4wd pad, and watch when they fade!


FWIW, WRX/R32/R33/Z32 pads will fit the Toyota Sumi's - with only the smallest amount of grinding a couple of the corners. This means that there are a significant number of performance pads available for those who don't need to homologated setup and are using the toyota parts.

I'd love to have MK63's on my car, but there are race cars out there with a greater need :)

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:54 AM

FWIW, WRX/R32/R33/Z32 pads will fit the Toyota Sumi's - with only the smallest amount of grinding a couple of the corners. This means that there are a significant number of performance pads available for those who don't need to homologated setup and are using the toyota parts.


I had a hard time finding pads for my non vented 12+8's. I was told the vented hilux calipers would accept those late model pads also, but that the non vented calipers were a different pad shape. Is this true?  :o

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 01:08 PM

Just take a pad and go to a brake shop, you can check the outside profile against their catalogue.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 09:44 PM

All profiles are available at full-size (i.e. to scale) on the DBA website.

I can't remember if there is a profile difference between the vented vs. non-vented Sumi's. I was running metal kings in my non-vented ones for a few years.

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Posted 14 December 2015 - 12:39 PM

So for those wondering about MK63 vs Toyota Hilux 4 pot calipers. I asked about the weight difference and here is the result.
http://www.jdmjunkie...ivery/#comments
 

Hey Nils,
Can you tell me what the weight difference between the MK63 calipers and the standard 2 pot calipers? A popular conversion is usually the Toyota Hilux 4 pot calipers but I’ve had a pair and they are very very heavy. I’m wonder how heavy these are in relation to stock calipers on a 240z? If you have a way of measuring the weight differences I’d really appreciate it.


Hi Gavin. Sure i can I just put both of them on a very accurate Envelope-scale and i got surprising result. The MK63 is even lighter than the standard two pot
So weights are:
MK63 Solid disk type including brake-pads: 4.300 Kgs
Standard two pot OEM including brake-pads: 4.445 Kgs
You can see in the picture that the MK63 design is quite slim compared to the Chunky two-pot caliper design 
hope that helps.

 
I had a pair of Toyota Hilux Calipers in the past and I can tell you they weigh a lot compared to the standard 2 pots. I didn't install them on my S30z because of the additional weight. I did drive a 260z with them on and whilst the braking force was improved you could feel the weight in the front end.
 
I would not install the Hilux 4 pot calipers myself. The fact that the MK63 design is lighter than stock is pretty incredible also.

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Posted 14 December 2015 - 12:43 PM

Wondering if anyone knows if the MK63s would clear the standard 14" steel wheels or not?

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Posted 14 December 2015 - 01:34 PM

Wondering if anyone knows if the MK63s would clear the standard 14" steel wheels or not?


I would think so didn't all Z variants come with 14" wheels?




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