regular hoon drivers
Posted 31 January 2010 - 08:57 AM
Losing their car is more in the forefront of their mind than causing an accident or dying. Thats the reality and thats why these laws have been brought in.
Posted 31 January 2010 - 01:39 PM
1) the definition of hoon, despite any legislative base does often depend on the officer. I know people who have been threatened with such charges driving a 1989 Ford Laser (very hard to 'hoon' in one of those.
2) the ease of replacement of the typical 'hoon cars' means that crushing would be ineffective, as raised earlier most people have a disposable income and can replace a car. Those with cars that warrant protection usually (not always) have the common sense to restrict their driving indulgences to the track or somewhere safe.
3) unfortunately, it is not the car that is the problem, it is the idiot behind the wheel.
4) I do not see how 40km over is in anyway appropriate for a hooning offence, driving on a freeway at 140 (if you know how to.... separate issue altogether) or above is not a problem....driving down a residential street or a school zone 20-30km over is stupidly dangerous, yet would seem to fall outside of the definition.
5) It is true that we get our licences out of a weet-bix box, some thought needs to be put into not only expanding the recording requirements for licencing but introducing a system which trains people in appropriate driving techniques and exposes them to the various environments (night time, snow etc).
6) suspension of a licence often does not prevent the 'hoon drivers' from driving. I know people who have had their licence suspended for either drink driving or speeding and were driving to and from work the next day.
7) Being a strong opponent of unnecessary imprisonment, this is hard to say but given the risks a short term or community service etc may be the most appropriate response.
However, culpable driving penalties are already quite heavy and introducing a penalty such as this where no one has been harmed......yet, is difficult.
9) The entire approach to speeding and hoon driving needs to be rethought. Speed limits need to rethought, as does the policing. Highways and relatively safe roads are heavily policed, while local roads and schools are very rarely policed.
10) despite my misgivings about the police enforcement of these laws, whenever I have encountered an officer on a driving related matter, they have been (largely) very reasonable.
11) it is important to remember that speed doesn't kill....sudden stops do.
O well....that's my brain fart done, sorry if it doesn't make much sense currently sitting in Tokyo fairly drained from a week of work....need to go for a drive but the zed too far away.
Although, I did see a beautiful white 240Z parked next to Tokyo Tower a couple of days ago.
Posted 31 January 2010 - 03:50 PM
Sure, you may not be able to do a massive burnout from a standing start, or hit 200km/h, but you give me one of those crappy early 90's Corollas (the round tail FWD things), with a clapped out motor, the 3 speed auto, and a broken handbrake cable, and I'll still be able to get it bulk sideways. Cheap econoboxes have cheap econobox road holding.
And for those who don't know how to provoke lift off oversteer, they always have the option of going to McDonalds and borrowing some trays, now don't they. Although I suppose then the government can ban McDonalds from serving food on plastic trays, and everyone will be safe again (seems to be the way Australia is going, following America down the drain).
Doesn't matter what the car is, if the intent is there to be an idiot, there's always something stupid that can be done with a car. Thats why its driver ATTITUDE that needs adjustment.
Posted 31 January 2010 - 04:40 PM
One thing I would like to do to re-offending drink drivers, place a heap of large labels on their car like "repeat drink driver" for a long period of time.. Same thing to any other repeat offenders with their offence.
As with the original post of crushing cars...yes after the third.. There are only a finite number of crap box Foulcans and Dunnydores around...soon the cheap supply will dry up!
Posted 31 January 2010 - 04:47 PM
Posted 01 February 2010 - 08:16 AM
All this crap about speed killing. Like someone said it's not the speeding that kills it's the sudden stop. It's been going on since the invention of the car. It's only the media jumping on the band wagon because it's a touchy subject at the moment and sell's papers and makes news.
Anyone can go to CAMS and buy an $88- license and go racing on a circuit at speeds well over 200klms with no training or testing. Infact plenty of people do with no problems or accidents. I know it's a controlled environment. I guess my point is that like someone said 140klms on a freeway is not massively dangerous if you are not driving erratically like the police try and make out. As we all know cars of today are made so safe and can travel at speeds well over 200klms no problems at all. I guess if they are serious about speeding being so "masively" dangerous why doesn't the government put restriction on all new cars and limit them to maybe 140klms only. No that's to hard. Well probably not if they were serious. Instead let's just give it a label and make out all people over the speed limit are dangerous killers which is rediculous.
Maygs - I guess you have never heard of any bashings or knifinings in town either! Come on people walk away from our courts untouched with no Jail time almost daily. We all know there is no room in the prisons for all the criminals. So a slap on the wrist and $200- to the poor box is all that is done. then these joke of Judges go home and sleep at night whilst a rapist, bashers, drink drivers walk free and offend again.
I know police have a job to do. I guess my point is to get some consistancy and make punishments fit the crime. Probably why a lot of people leave the force out of frustration since Judges seem to live in a world of their own.
Posted 01 February 2010 - 10:40 AM
Double penalties for second offence in 10 years and a sentence for subsequent offences.
Jeff Kennet brought in mandatory sentences for offences where guns or knives are used. Subsequent labor govts have reduced these sentences to almost nonexistent. Brumby is now considering going back to the way Jeff set it up. But very much off topic.
Driving at 140 on most of our freeways would be safer if all were doing 140, but they don't. Everyone thinks they are good drivers, and we all know that few people really are any good at it. Even those that are good at it, aren't good at it ALL the time. A myriad of distractions divert attention (frequently it is the ridiculously high number of signs on our roads, not including the distractions within our own cars (Kids, radio, CD etc). Just 'cause we can drive at 200 on a race track (without passengers, no radio, no phone, no smokes, not eating lunch and no traffic lights, no side streets, no cars doing 60 in a 100 zone) we are concentrating at our highest ability, doesn't mean we can travel over 100 on the freeway.
I believe that speeding is dangerous, selfish and short sighted. My 2 cents.
Posted 01 February 2010 - 11:37 AM
Let's hope Brumby can stop talking and finally actually re introduce some of those laws we speak of. I would love to see mandatory sentences come back as it seems with lawyers spin and Judges discretion most criminals just aren't concerned when they are caught since they know there is a fare chance of either getting off or minimal sentencing. And for a cop who does all the hard work to see a lot of people get off lightly must be as frustrating as anything. Let's hope common sense prevails and the "do gooders" get over-ridden some time soon.
Posted 04 February 2010 - 07:55 AM
speed doesn't kill, momentum does. so their 4wd with jacked up suspension which can't corner at 50kmh and weighs 2 tone, is just as likely, if not more, to kill someone in another car, as my 1 tone car going 100kmh etc. then there's the difference in crumple zones, collison heights...
maybe instead of speed limit's there should be enertia/momentum limits. so if you're a truck or towing a caravan and have a head on with another car, you are only allowed to travel at a speed which will inflict the same amount of damage as if you were driving a datsun 1200 ute traveling at 100...
Posted 04 February 2010 - 08:04 AM
Posted 04 February 2010 - 08:38 AM
Best thing I think is for all young (and some other) drivers to complete driver training and to discover that driving a REAL car isn't as easy as on a Playstation 3.
Posted 04 February 2010 - 09:31 AM
Posted 04 February 2010 - 12:44 PM
Posted 04 February 2010 - 02:19 PM
Speaking of hoons. How was that legend in NSW drifting on ACA the other night. Poor bastard has been tried and convicted by media. I reckon a few dudes will be locking up their collection of video's now rather than throwing them on Youtube. Whilst a bit radical. We don't know if he had ensured the roads were clear etc. If they catch him he would be in serious trouble. But I still wonder if the law would come down on him to hard?
Let the banter/debate begin again. Ha Ha. It's your fault for starting this Daniel!
Posted 04 February 2010 - 05:04 PM
Posted 05 February 2010 - 06:34 AM
Oh and Craig, all I can say from what I have seen on Skylines Australia forum, doesn't matter what the thread or the forum, be really carefull what you post...
Posted 05 February 2010 - 03:29 PM
wait for it....
Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:43 PM
speed doesn't kill, momentum does. so their 4wd with jacked up suspension which can't corner at 50kmh and weighs 2 tone, is just as likely, if not more, to kill someone in another car, as my 1 tone car going 100kmh etc.
Both these examples have the same momentum
"perhaps its the moron behind the wheel to blame and not the vehicle." Spot on.
Posted 05 February 2010 - 09:30 PM
Now it's not even safe to be in your front yard of your house or lounge room... some idiot can come crashing through it at anytime...
Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:25 AM
Both these examples have the same momentum
that was my point maygz, a normal car doing twice the speed limit is 'only' as dangerous to other drivers as one twice it's weight doing the speed limit.
I know speed restrictions based on the weight of a car would NEVER work, however the number of p platers who are now jumping into jacked up 4wd's running mud tyres instead of the 'evil turbo and v8' cars they are now banned from, really does scare me as I feel alot less safe. There is just as much chance of them being idiots and speeding on freeways, or getting distracted to easily. Just now they can do some real damage to whatever they hit, and their car has no chance of handling an unexpected object or corner etc to avoid the accident at the last minute
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