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#21 KatoKid

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:20 AM

Ok, just measured mine. Was the same both sides.

275mm from front of the guard.

190mm from the inside edge.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 11:36 AM

I freakin new it!  :-\ :'( >:(

Thanks.

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 01:19 PM

Hey KatoKid,

Just to confirm these measurements were taken from the inside of the guard to the middle of the large hole on the mounting plate?

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 02:31 PM

Yep

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 11:53 AM

Anyone know where the 280zx fender mirror fits?

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Posted 30 September 2010 - 12:19 PM

Anyone know where the 280zx fender mirror fits?

When I painted my car, I found the plugs (JDM car) but didn't write it down.
I'll check tomorrow night and see if they are visable from the underside and take note, if possible.

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 10:51 AM

Sweet, thanks

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 04:43 PM

This is most interesting. I think I have a different placement diagram on my computer somewhere. I'll have a look when I get home...

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Posted 01 October 2010 - 11:58 PM

Anyone know where the 280zx fender mirror fits?

Center is 350mm from the join of the headlight buckets towards the windscreen.
Bugger, didn't measure how far in though, will update later.... sorry

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:05 PM

Are the 280zx fender mirrors same size as the door mirrors? Or the fender mirrors longer/taller in size? I can't seem to find info on this :s can someone clarify please

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:58 PM

This is most interesting. I think I have a different placement diagram on my computer somewhere. I'll have a look when I get home...


I was wrong - I could only find a copy of the previously discussed 'incorrect' image. But I'm sure that Alan Thomas has the correct info in his archive :)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 06:57 PM

They go here.

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#33 HS30-H

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 07:23 PM

Check out the Office  Tomitaku car. If there is going to be a car that is correct it will be this one


Not necessarily....

The Office Tomitaku car is actually a north American market 'shell that was converted to RHD. The front wings ( fenders ) they used were the generic later factory type without the pre-stamped holes for the fender mirrors, so they drilled them themselves.

The fact is that there are several different sets of dimensions for factory fender mirrors on the S30/S31-series Zs. None of them are strictly 'wrong', and - in terms of function - it doesn't actually make that much difference if you mount them a bit further back or forward, or a bit further in or out, as you simply swivel the moving parts to suit you where and how you sit in the car, and what you want to see.

If you're drilling holes in your car, it's up to you where you drill them. You are also free to use 510-series Bluebird and C10-series Skyline fender mirrors in the mistaken belief that they are the same as S30-series Z fender mirrors.....  ;)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 08:39 PM

Thanks Alan,
Well there ya go; If the lines are that fuzzy, then the concourse judge can sod off when they tell you that they're in the wrong place!
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(I guess I'll stick to my aftermarket door mirror that's in a crappy spot...)

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 08:59 PM

Ben,
The frustrating thing is that the original illustration used for the template ( see post #2 on this thread ) was actually from an original Nissan document. It's an ILLUSTRATION, not a technical drawing. Anyone commenting on how that illustration doesn't "look" right is obviously missing the point....

The dimensions added to the illustration were taken from an original Japanese market car which was originally fitted with ( the correct.... ) S30-series Z fender mirrors. It's also worth noting that the measurements were taken to the edges of the plastic mounting gasket and not the centres of the mounting holes. These have been cross-referenced with some other original Japanese market cars, and to be honest they were all slightly different to eachother. Ask anyone to measure theirs, and you'll probably come up with a difference too. It's a bitch to measure to a curving datum point, or one that is covered in paint, so you have to take the dimensions with a pinch of salt anyway....

For the record, I've never seen an original factory document that specifically states any mounting point dimensions for these mirrors. 





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Posted 04 October 2010 - 09:38 PM

For the record, Just use your eyedomiter, as if anyone is gonna know anyhow!
Rev.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 09:48 PM

Eggzackly.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 06:01 PM

Ok I have asked the current owner of my old 240z (the red one that Adam likes so much ;)) to get some measurements. The fender mirrors were factory installed, the car is 71 build around 1200ish and NZ New and all NZ New 240z/260z had fender mirrors as we did not have legal issues with this location. I am waiting for the measurements based on the diagram in post #2 but the current owner (another Mike) does recall that there was approx 20mm different between LH and RH sides and they holes looked very factory.

More details to follow later ;)

Cheers
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Posted 14 October 2010 - 07:11 PM

Ok this is the reply I just got from the owner of my old 240z with fender mirrors. This does tie with the offset installation as recommend by Factory Nissan ILLUSTRATION posted in post #2. These numbers were taken as stated by HS30-H from the plastic mounting gaskets and using the ILLUSTRATION as - well go figure an ILLUSTRATION to take the measurements from :)

Anyway here is the reply

A= 173mm

B= 238mm

C= 172mm

D= 260mm



Measurements taken to the edge of the plastic gasket thing that the mirror sits in.



I could get a measurement for the actual holes in the guard at the weekend if needed.



Even (the wife) hadn’t noticed the different offsets on the mirrors until we just measured them.



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Posted 27 October 2010 - 09:58 AM

Any idea on where to get the plastic mounting gaskets? My mirrors didnt come with any  :-\

NZeder do you have any photos of where teh mirrors are mounted on your old car?

HS30-H: i'd tend to have to dissagree with you in that it doesnt matter if they are a bit forward or back. In my opinion you can plainly see that mirrors mounted with this diagram generally look different to japanese cars. I guess it depends how picky you are on stuff like this, which i am.






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