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#21 acf321

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Posted 24 May 2009 - 07:49 AM

Thanks Mike ... appreciate the feedback. Yes Nat did make a mention about seam sealer and the lack of it in the Datsun. He said he'd be re-doing all this throughout the process, with some pretty detailed rust proofing once complete, which I think will include fish oil and then some wax type products.

Not all that confident on the dog legs ... the magnet only really sticks to one side.

Only other part I will likely need is the rear lower panel (being the one that the tail pipe protrudes from). Anybody know if this is avail in Australia?

Added a few more photos, showing car and rusted parts we've so far removed / replaced so far.


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Posted 25 May 2009 - 06:56 AM

wow. Those pics will be really useful. I always wondered how to repair rust in the windscreen plenum. What a pain. Nice job though. Keep up the good work.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 03:41 PM

Week 3 !!!

The plot has really thickened ... popped by thismorning to give Nat some more money and enjoy another cup of coffee while Nat showed me what he's been up to this last week. As expected, the situation has become more complex, however as I've read on this forum too many times, its necessary at this point to keep a stiff upper lip and soldier on... whatever the cost!!

I will show you some photos and ask some questions. The main question I have is can anybody post or send me a photo of the front cross panel of the car, being the one that the hood support arm is screwed to. It is also the same panel that the bottom of the front grill bolts to, and also the one that the plastic corrugated air tubes that bring cold air into the cabin screw to. Reason I ask, mine looks a little bent and we are trying to determine if this is actually the case, or is it just a dodgy looking moulding in the case of my car.

Back to the repairs for this week, Nat has replaced the following; 1) metal under and around battery tray, including firewall sections, 2) front of sills on both sides (craftmanship here is frankly amazing, and all done by hand), 3) floor sections - removed on passenger side, and to go on drivers side soon, 4) drivers side foot well section, 5) box sections at front of chassis rails (these are very cool), 5) chassis rails (to be welded onto new floors), and 5) rear passenger side dog-leg (which has been ground back to reveal a big fat metal plate shoddily welded over a porous rusty mess). Nat is yet to remove this panel, however its on this week's to do list.

Interestingly, the floor panels had already ben repaired several times and had new stainless plates welded and tar coated. The gauge of the steel was extremely thick, with BBQ plate being the only thing to even closely resemble the floors. I think we've possibly saved ~15kg a side at least ... I struggled to pick the thing up! Also noted that the welding of these plates was done with only a few spots .. so structural integrity was really flawed.... not any more!!!

So... in thinking about what next; 1) pass dog leg is in need of replacement, with drivers side also likely, 2) beaver panel will be re-made by hand, 3) drivers side rear of rain gutter will be removed to remove small rust section in roof (see photo), with pass side also removed to check, 4) pass side chassis rail box section, 5) pass side rear wheel arch rust (minor), and 6) sills (which actually look OK in the light). Nat will be placing the car on some form of 'jig' to them measure all dimensions and ensure twist or other is not an issue. We need to have a look at this front panel I mentioned above, to see what repairs / changes need to be made also.

All of the panels went off to the blaster last week with the GTS Monaro, so I expect a few minor surprises here, albeit the doors looked very good before going, and rear tail was an as new item....

Once these things are completed, she'll be headed off to the blaster to be totally stripped. This will identify anything we've missed at this stage, however as I said to Nat thismorning, the Hornet is going to be a 2010 model before he's finished as just about everything is being replaced. Again, if you're reading this and thinking 'what an old load of crap this thing is', remember, the chassis has no evidence of accident damage, and the roof and all structural areas are very sound. It is frankly all the usual place that we're repairing.

The good news from this today was that Nat said a few blokes wandered in this week to 'check out the 260 in the corner'.... when Nat told then it was not a 260, but infact 240, they went beserk and started telling him how 'awsome these things are!!" ... Lucky for that ... I must say a compliment or two goes a long way when you get to this stage !!!!!

Any suggestions on colour greatly appreciated at this stage ... still really struggling with this !!

Enjoy !

   



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Posted 30 May 2009 - 03:43 PM

More photos !

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 03:46 PM

Last lot for today.

be sure to post some close ups of that front panel (black in my case) especially on the drivers side around the holes .... I need a good look at one that is not damaged.

Cheers
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 04:09 PM

Jeeze it was a rusty shell!
Keep going mate - at least your saving another one!

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 05:38 PM

Tin worm in there alright - have Nat check the A piller also - I have seen rust on this sort on zeds with that much rust elsewhere.

As you well know - you will have rust free shell at the end and it will last another 30-40+ years and if well looked after (which I am sure it will be) it could be handed down to grand child via your own child :)

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 01:47 AM

Tin Worm really did take a bite out of your lunch there. As funny as this may sound I was going through the same process about 5-6 years ago.
http://www.viczcar.c...s.php?album=199

My biggest single regret was not seeing the project through. I sold the shell on to a mate who still has it. He has been too busy to finish it as he already has another 240z he is working on.

I want to offer to buy it back off him. He already said he wants to hang onto it for now though :(.

Really looked forward to more progress on this car though. Should be aweome!!!!!

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 09:08 AM

Thanks Gav ... appreciate the feedback and will be pasting up the new shots weekly.

Nat is having the new floors delivered on Monday and they'll be featured in next weeks downloads. Suspect he'll be working on the dog legs also and will remove both side rain gutters as a precaution to ensure no rust in there.

As for your old car, I sold a 504 peugeot and regretted it, and more recently sold my 930 porsche ... which is still hurting big time !! Having said that, why not tell your mate that you will pay him back what he paid you, then you complete the car and offer him the first option to buy the car back in the event you sell ... that way the car actually is completed and driven. At the mo its just a piece of scrap in someone's shed right !!

All the best.

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 09:51 PM

:D You've got me hooked on this thread now!

I like your perserverance fella.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 10:51 AM

Thanks Mick ...

You're now the 3rd guy to now congratulate my perserverance !!! This is starting to be a little alarming ... I mean does this Z look THAT bad that I've got a bulk of the guys on the club telling me i'm a nutter for carrying through with it??? All I know from speaking to Nat is that we're getting there and the body will be perfect once I complete it. (I HOPE!!)

What I paid for the car I think reflected the fact that it needed work ... I'm not sure what my options are now, as in I'd be mad to pull out now ... so my only real option is to soldier on !!!

Spoke to Nat yest ... he got the new floors from Warren and then discovered they are 3 inches too narrow and too short for the appertures that now exist in the body. Nat was stitching a 3" rim right the way around Warren's panels and then will install them!!! As I said, it'll be a 2010 model before I'm finished.

I'm still clinging onto the fact that the motor looks hot (with lots of quick bits on it) and the suspension appears to be Koni and King Springs... I think as NZeder said, be content that it will cost me some dosh, but should theoretically be one of the better bodies out there once finished. One thing I do know is I've totally lucked out finding Nat to do the work ... he is very passionate about the project and knows his stuff. (in hindsight he's probably grinning knowing he'll be leaving for a month in Aspen once finished this car ... funded by yours truly  :-[)

More photos this weekend !!!



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Posted 02 June 2009 - 12:43 PM

Spoke to Nat yest ... he got the new floors from Warren and then discovered they are 3 inches too narrow and too short for the appertures that now exist in the body. Nat was stitching a 3" rim right the way around Warren's panels and then will install them!!! As I said, it'll be a 2010 model before I'm finished.


That's odd...
FWIW I just fitted a new PS floor to Bruce's 240, that was from Rare Spares.
They fitted fine; the pressings were in the right spot & the inside edges were just a little oversize which allowed me to trim them back as required...

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 12:59 PM


Spoke to Nat yest ... he got the new floors from Warren and then discovered they are 3 inches too narrow and too short for the appertures that now exist in the body. Nat was stitching a 3" rim right the way around Warren's panels and then will install them!!! As I said, it'll be a 2010 model before I'm finished.


Do you know what the exact length and width sizes were, I'll check the measurements from my pans to see if they will fit my z.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 02:09 PM

Thanks Mick ...

You're now the 3rd guy to now congratulate my perserverance !!! This is starting to be a little alarming ... I mean does this Z look THAT bad that I've got a bulk of the guys on the club telling me i'm a nutter for carrying through with it???


Nah I don't think your mad. I would do it if I lived closer to the z gurus. As others have said it's great you're bringing another 240 back to life. It's the kind of car you keep forever once it's finished anyhow... so who cares what it takes!  :D

I chose the zedx because it was close by, had no rust, and it was a roller. If I were back in Sydney again and had a great big f'ing garage.... I'd have an s30 in a flash, regardless of condition!



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Posted 02 June 2009 - 08:09 PM

i also had a bad experience with rare spares floor pan. The out side flange was not folded in the right spot

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 02:03 PM

Week 4.

Arrived extra early this morning as last week I was late and Nat got very busy ... needed as much time as possible to ensure we covered off on all the things Nat's done .... and NEEDS doing! Bottom line, Nat's been chewing up more grinding disks this week... on my 240 !!.

When he was telling me about the Muira's and Countach's he once used to restore, between slipping in the bit about how he helped build two D-Type replicas, he did admit this was the worst car he's dealt with from a rust / fabrication perspective. There you have it ... I'm man enough to admit i've bought a complete piece of steaming poo.

We decided that at least we've identified all the problems and are a large part of the way through it. Nat was surprised by the quantum of 'dodgy work' that had been done to this car, again largely as a result of this leaky battery. The front left side frame rails, box section, floor, fire wall, and plenum chamber have all in some way been affected. The only good thing to say about it all is that we're progressively replacing everything. The issue with Warrens floors was not the panels themselves, but the fact that we had to remove an area larger than the panel's dimensions ... see in the photo at the right and top ... shiny stuff is the extras.

During the preview, we headed into the office to have a look at Gaijin's car ... to try to make myself feel more normal ... As I said to Nat ,, if you think my job is complex, have a look at this bloke!! even showed him the photo of the owner with all the tubes hanging out of him !! (don't think its as a result of the car tho ... and I hope you're making a fast and full recovery!).

Spent a good hour looking at colours and had a look at Milennium Jade, olive, green, blue and red ... still no decisions though.

Hope you're enjoying this !!!

Cheers

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 02:05 PM

photos !

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 11:06 PM

Could only take four today !! I had to run out and vomit like they do in the movies after seeing all the damage !!! ... just kidding, the battery went dead after only four shots.

Nat is keen to get the engine started ... We might have a crack at that next weekend or abouts on the bench. He said he used to run the Lambo engines out of the cars as it was the best way to check proper running and made it easy to rectify the issues ... Sounds like a plan .. least then we'll be able to see what we have in this motor before finishing the body.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 09:32 AM

This 240z that recently sold here in NZ for around $35K was found to be rusty so goes to show to can spend a lot and expect to get a good car and infact it can be in need of repair also.

I have been told this car has quite a bit of rust in it - does not look like it from these photos (I have more of this car).

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 10:08 AM

Thats the scary thing NZeder, you car buy a car that looks mint but you have no idea what the PO has done to the car, I'd rather buy a average car and have the rust cutout myself, anyway looking good Adam keep the pics coming.




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