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#21 Michael

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 10:49 AM

Hey mate, Just thought id throw my 2c in aswell :P
Like most people have said, The L Series are an Extreamly tough engine, And theres no real need to replace it, I mean, I have a Mildly worked L28 And i have fun beating the odd v8 commodore down the road hehe ^^

just remember the 240z's only weigh about 1000kg so you really dont need a massive amount of power to get them moving

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 11:21 AM

blue interior is very unsuall , it appears the rust is  only surface and has settled on top of everything not underneath , whats the hesitation for about purchasing it , looks fantastic to me , remember the less rust the lower the resto cost the fact is its a genuine unmolested car 5k  is not an unresonable price to pay, so if you have to think about it maybe you cant afford it in the fist place, just go for it you cant loose

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 02:45 PM

Just another detail if you do decide to buy this car and do an engine swap...One good piece of advice is to keep the original L24 if you have the room, install an RB25 but with carbs instead of EFI. I built my own manifold for the RB25 to fit 3 Weber style throttle bodies but can easily fit 3 Weber or Dellorto and Mikuni carbies. You just need to add a MSD ignition system to run the spark side of things. The manifold cost around $300; cheaper than a store bought one! (can't really buy these anyway). By keeping the L24, if you ever decide to sell the car, replace the engine and then you can sell a "matching numbers" car for more $$$. I'm sure if you don't want to buy this zed, many others here would love to get this car!! (myself included!!  ;D)


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Posted 29 November 2008 - 04:23 PM

Are you kidding me?? Or are you his grandson hoping to get a bigger inheritance hahaha  :P

Mate it shits me to tears at the moment how many people are trying to cash in on cars they previously would have had to pay someone to remove from there property. There is a guy on ebay trying to sell an XB coupe pile of rust for a few grand, as I said trying as it's been on their for a few months and not one bid that I have ever seen, the best one I ever saw was a left quarter section from an early Monaro that couldn't be used it was that rusty but he was asking $5000 for it.

This car has sat their most likely because he might have needed parts from it at some stage for his tractor, if people were serious about getting good dollars for there old cars they would have garaged them long ago and kept them as rust free as possible.

Just offer him $500 tell him that you might turn it into a demo derby or dirt rally car and that's why you don't want to spend too much money. ;)


Previously, what like in 1990?  Times change, inflation, cars get rarer, more people are wanting them. It's just the way it is. Supply and demand.  I recently saw a HG Monaro sell for 45 grand, and no its wasn't a genuine V8 just a 6 cyl GTS that has has a V8 transplant. Needed a complete repaint and hadn't turned the engine over in years. I remember when you could buy an XB GT coupe for around $12,000. Now everyone wants $45 grand. You get people thinking "I remember how much they used to sell for 15 years ago, so i'm not gonna pay todays values".  Yeah, years ago you could pick up an old in need of restoration, Datsun or Ford or whatever for $500, but its 2008, not 1988.

A couple of grand for a rare-ish car that needs a full rebuild in this day and age isn't too much to ask. 

If you can get it for $500 good luck to you. You could probably slap it straight on ebay and get 4 grand for it and go looking for one in better condition.

If you keep it original and restore it, it will be worth more than if you do an engine swap, mods, etc. It's just the way it is with classic cars. It's like finding a GT-HO phase three and stripping it, throwing out the engine and replacing it with a new V8, new seats, etc.....just on a smaller scale.

What shits me is people trying to cash in on house prices, old houses that haven't been renovated since they were built are worth three, maybe four times what they were worth when they were built.  Previously they were only worth 350 grand, now people are trying to get half a mil for them.  ;D



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Posted 29 November 2008 - 05:58 PM

Just another detail if you do decide to buy this car and do an engine swap...One good piece of advice is to keep the original L24 if you have the room, install an RB25 but with carbs instead of EFI. I built my own manifold for the RB25 to fit 3 Weber style throttle bodies but can easily fit 3 Weber or Dellorto and Mikuni carbies. You just need to add a MSD ignition system to run the spark side of things. The manifold cost around $300; cheaper than a store bought one! (can't really buy these anyway). By keeping the L24, if you ever decide to sell the car, replace the engine and then you can sell a "matching numbers" car for more $$$. I'm sure if you don't want to buy this zed, many others here would love to get this car!! (myself included!!  ;D)

carbs make the later engine sway easier and if I did not have the EFI ECU, Throttle bodies (was going to use these on my L30 engine when I build that) this would be a simple RB25DE install with a custom manifold like Zedman240 has made. Never know might just install carbs on my RB to begin with so I am getting low on the coin and carbs will be easier to install no fuel system mods, ie surge tank, wiring changes (reads EFI wiring), dyno time to get the ECU turned correctly (I know I should do the dyno for the Carbs too but I have had 2 zeds with triples carbs in the parts and my turning was not to bad vs the dyno turning).....hmm might have to think about that one when I get the body back.

Back to topic at hand - good on you for going for it - I think if the car only has the superficial surface rust then upto $5000 sounds like a good purchase - not sure about the oz market as I have not lived there for 5 years now but a car like that would be $8,000 here in NZ if the rego was on hold (we can put the registration on hold while we restore/rebuild our cars or not use them on the road for a period of time, mine has been like that for 10 years - and if I did no engine/brake/suspension mods it is just a matter of one check and paper work to get it back on the road. Now as I have modified lots - now I have to cert all the mods as things have changed since I took the car off the road :( )

Anyway I think from the photo's seen so far it should be a good purchase long term. The blue interior is not common and for an early car (under HS30-01000 which by look it is) let along a standard 240z - I think the blue was only available with white on the outside much like the red interior (also rare)

Keep us updated on the potential project :) and don't give up - infact visit one of the meetings that guys arrange and see if someone can take you for a drive in there 240z with a mild L28 to 1. So you know what they are like while you are working on this project, 2. Know what the good old and strong L6 is like (I am sure I will miss the L6 and the RB will be different better? who know different yes - I would also talk to BenZed on this site has he build a toyota 6 cylinder powered 240z but now has a modified L28 so he can give his views on different engines. But I can tell you that the L28 power race cars that I have either owned, driven or been driven in you can get a lot of old school power from these engines. My last 240z was powered by a L28 bore and stroked (using the LD28 crank) to almost 3200cc and it made 230HP at the wheels on pump gas with 10.5:1 and a lot more on race gas with my other head and 13:1 - all NA no turbo's involved at all. Hell I am sure there are guys here that have put a turbo on the L28 and can tell you the power you can get from these too - 450+ (I recall a very worked engine in Japan, drag car, making 1000HP out of a turbo'ed L28)

Anyway enough from me. Back to you let us know how you discussion go with the current owner lets hope it does at least get into someone (maybe yours) hands who will return it to the road - another zed back on the road has to be a good thing :) 

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 06:54 PM

geeeez, stop agonizing and fart arsing around.
rule no 1...Aquisition !! then start the planning.
make him an offer ...before I track him down  ;)

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Posted 29 November 2008 - 10:24 PM

Previously, what like in 1990?  Times change, inflation, cars get rarer, more people are wanting them. It's just the way it is. Supply and demand.  I recently saw a HG Monaro sell for 45 grand, and no its wasn't a genuine V8 just a 6 cyl GTS that has has a V8 transplant. Needed a complete repaint and hadn't turned the engine over in years. I remember when you could buy an XB GT coupe for around $12,000. Now everyone wants $45 grand. You get people thinking "I remember how much they used to sell for 15 years ago, so i'm not gonna pay todays values".  Yeah, years ago you could pick up an old in need of restoration, Datsun or Ford or whatever for $500, but its 2008, not 1988.




That's right and that's a piece of Australina history, a Z isn't to most, why do people, yourself obviously included, think that they have to pay market price. The guy has asked for an offer he hasn't put down a price so why offer him close to your top dollar, it seems that many on here don't know very much about buying but you all know quite alot about price speculation.

It amazes me how so many cry about the prices but when you have the chance to get something for a reasonable price you automatically go to an average market value rather than try your luck.

And yes it is 2008 but we are also at the beginning of bad times financially, he may need the money so would take most any offer, on the flip side the buyer might be ok today but what about tomorrow.

Also with regard to current pricing you may want to take a good look at where pricing is at the moment, many have dropped by close to half since the downturn in particular, but mostly because people are realising the car market was a little over inflated so prices are starting to normalize back to a more realistic level. Many GT HO and Bathurst Monaro owners that bought the $500k+ and $350K+ respectively cars that are now worth around 30% less would now be telling you to be careful and not over estimate potential value.



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Posted 30 November 2008 - 02:52 AM


That's right and that's a piece of Australina history, a Z isn't to most, why do people, yourself obviously included, think that they have to pay market price. The guy has asked for an offer he hasn't put down a price so why offer him close to your top dollar, it seems that many on here don't know very much about buying but you all know quite alot about price speculation.

It amazes me how so many cry about the prices but when you have the chance to get something for a reasonable price you automatically go to an average market value rather than try your luck.

And yes it is 2008 but we are also at the beginning of bad times financially, he may need the money so would take most any offer, on the flip side the buyer might be ok today but what about tomorrow.

Also with regard to current pricing you may want to take a good look at where pricing is at the moment, many have dropped by close to half since the downturn in particular, but mostly because people are realising the car market was a little over inflated so prices are starting to normalize back to a more realistic level. Many GT HO and Bathurst Monaro owners that bought the $500k+ and $350K+ respectively cars that are now worth around 30% less would now be telling you to be careful and not over estimate potential value.


I tend to agree with everything you said there, I've seen alot of people selling their toys with the current economic climate. Unfortunately the 240z - 260z to many is just another Japanese car, regardless of its classic status, it doesn't have the same pull as the early Aussie muscle cars.

The early rotaries have found their niche though and I think that comes down to the fact that cars like the RX3 did relatively well at Bathurst, but the 260z 2+2 made 1 appearance in 1975 from memory and so did the 240k coupe. They were not that successful, I guess Nissan just didn't put much into the Australian market, they seemed to be more focused on the US market at the time.

If you can get a car at a lower price, all the better. If the seller is ignorant that's his fault, at the same time he may just want someone to take it and get rid of it for him. Rather than hang onto it for a few more months waiting for someone to cough up 3-4k for what is obviously a project car.

Regardless the car in question is going to need a few grand thrown into it before it can be even put on the road again. Offer $500 work your way up from there I say. If he wants alot more he can always try his luck on ebay or carsales.com.au or whatever.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 07:42 AM

man if i could track this car down. without hesitation ill give him 2k.  8) but will try $500 first  :P

that looks like a real good base car.

as for engine swaps if orginal keep it. dont sell any parts from the car. if u like me and like improving things do it in such a way that can be returned to original afterwards.

if the car was mine and original number engine ill just bring it back to original with few period mods.
if u not a carby fan like me the original motor can be efi quite easily. later model 280zx and skyline stuff pretty much bolt on.

just look at the pics in galleries. lot better looking car than a Sillycar  :P sell the celica and invest in the Z u wont be sorry.



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Posted 05 December 2008 - 04:26 PM

LOL  ;D

at above. i love conversions for me they are simple and very cheap and cost effective. but not everyone is the same or can do the job themselves.
i also hate carby fuel setup and love turbos. LOL hence i did my car they way i want it.

some guys spend as much as on their tripples as much as i spend on the whole conversion.but not everyone is the same.

but also respect the originality (sometimes  :P) ie i dont like bog stock but keeping the key aspect original is good. mods are good if u can return it back to original expecialy if the car from start was in good original condition. for a bucket yeah y not change everything LOL

anyway

so what happend to the car did you end up getting it? did anyone else pounce on this?





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Posted 07 December 2008 - 02:33 PM

Man, this thread has come a long way. Did you end up buying mate? If not I'd like to buy it, maybe I can snap it up for $300 or $400!?

Just a side thought on the pricing of early Z cars. I've heard that alot of Aussie muscle car prices went up due to cashed up tradies wanting to buy their dream car from childhood memories which is cool. I've also heard alot of the older Japanese guys buy restored Z's at top dollar that that they could'nt afford when they were younger and Japan was poorer.
So does this mean that today's generation of kids are gonna be paying top dollar for old Skylines, Supra's and RX'7s when most have gone to the tip for scrap!? Maybe the Z will even have a significant place in the market for that demographic!

Cheers,
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Oh and where can I find that car?

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 09:36 AM

i think you right Sulio,

it seems to have that effect. also ive noticed even younger generations are turning to older jap classics to be different than the norm of imported skylines, silvias, supras, wrx etc.....which knew nothing of the early Z or celicas RX etc....

thankfuly not many young kids but at lest one with bit more brains. the ones that are not into wavey cheap body kits with skiny tyres and dodgy paint jobs.

if u cant afford to do it properly dont do it at all. do the safe mods that actualy look good and not make the car look like it came out of some US movie with extreem mods that look like crap.

back to this car anyone found it yet?

Sulio be good if u get it and give it what it deserves.

im chokers now got no room for any more cars. got to fix and sell few of them. :'(




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Posted 08 December 2008 - 11:31 AM


That's right and that's a piece of Australina history, a Z isn't to most, why do people, yourself obviously included, think that they have to pay market price. The guy has asked for an offer he hasn't put down a price so why offer him close to your top dollar, it seems that many on here don't know very much about buying but you all know quite alot about price speculation.

It amazes me how so many cry about the prices but when you have the chance to get something for a reasonable price you automatically go to an average market value rather than try your luck.

And yes it is 2008 but we are also at the beginning of bad times financially, he may need the money so would take most any offer, on the flip side the buyer might be ok today but what about tomorrow.

Also with regard to current pricing you may want to take a good look at where pricing is at the moment, many have dropped by close to half since the downturn in particular, but mostly because people are realising the car market was a little over inflated so prices are starting to normalize back to a more realistic level. Many GT HO and Bathurst Monaro owners that bought the $500k+ and $350K+ respectively cars that are now worth around 30% less would now be telling you to be careful and not over estimate potential value.



I agree with this completely Steff... Where is this car? I want it! LOL.


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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:19 PM

Dimitri,
What fine tuning did you need to do?
Trap for others looking at an RB conversion?
PM me if you prefer.

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 01:33 PM

Offending posts removed.

No more verbal abuse guys!!!

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Posted 08 December 2008 - 02:50 PM


Trap for others looking at an RB conversion?


RB20/25 RB30 is bit taller so prob need to drop the engine bit lower.

u need a oil pik up from z31 fairlady Z 200zr approx $70 new from nissan
sump from the same above car. approx $580 Option2: cut the original one and swap it around reweld.

some ppl use custom or aftermarket mounts. i just used R32 skyline ones slotted the cross member to suit.

if leaving engine and gbox in same position the transmission bracket aligns up. but there is room to go more backwards. than custom tranny mount, tailshaft and some moding to engine brackets.

if not i believe that even the stock tailshaft will fit. but have to check it at worse u prob need tailshaft cause 1. be too long or two too weak.

than wiring etc... if going efi and intercooler piping if turbo. new exhaust at least the front half.

also i belive there are kits from US for RB engine conversion but realy it is not necessary once sump is sorted the rest of it is quite easy.

than fuel pump need to be looked at depending on the engine. ie efi and turbo.
early model 240z the fuel lines are smaller diameter so that may be necessary to borrow from the 260z as they are same as the donor car.

if using wiring from donour car. dont know y people dont do this more often its quite simple. unplug the complete wiring including sensors etc.... from donour car.

everything plugs back in except the 6way main connector. which is same as on the 260z.the pins need to be rearanged or tapped into the Z ignition wiring. pretty much 5 wires and the engine should turn over and run (once fuel, starter and other stuff is connected in engine bay.)

there are plenty of reprogrammers re chipping the RB ecu very cheap.

other than that depending on ur budget etc.. u need to look at stronger diff ie R200 and or LSD,

Brakes prob need a good upgrade. as the stock anchors may cook.

i thin i can drop an RB in over a weekend if i have all the above bits.

things that are optional but safe. ie replace the timing belt and water pump. they not that expensive for piece of mind and lot easier when engine outside

TIP: do not overtighten the belt or u will kill the cam read the service manual.

if engine looks bit shabby have a look at oil pump as well. but this is bit more pricey.

also prob clutch be a good time to replace since most of its appart.

without the intercooler i can drop an RB in over a weekend and have it running if i have all the above bits.(thats if i had time to do it in first place)




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Posted 08 December 2008 - 03:01 PM

Jeez, thanks Johnny. Maybe you should do a tutorial thread.
Sorry for the hijack everyone.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 01:24 PM

Well guys I've been to uni, got myself a good job and now I'm going to make him an offer for it at Xmas. I've still got my 82 Celica fully restored it etc and I've got a fully enclosed garage to work on the car. I'm not going to change the engine; will keep it original.

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 01:41 PM

I would buy this in a heartbeat mate I can't believe he still has it.

Just looking at it again, please find out what the chassis no. is. I suspect she's a 1970 240z based on the Hitachi Radio TM-1081ZA (with the antenna switch on the right side see George's Radio here: ) and the arrow tip antenna. I think it's had a replacement hatch at some point, I think it would have probably have had the vents in the rear hatch. If not it could be a car in the 400+ number range and perhaps right after the change over to 71 model year.

The blue interior and white exterior combo is very rare and looks amazing in my opinion. It looks like the Gearknob, Ash-Tray and Console are all in good condition. These along with the radio are all difficult to obtain and expensive now!

This car deserves to be restored to original condition condition and will be worth good money when and if done correctly. Please do let us know how you get on with it.



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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:40 PM

Just another thing worth pointing out.

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Note: The SQUARE fender mirrors!




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