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#1 Brabham

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 07:35 PM

Hi,
  What was the tallest ratio that Datsun put out in a stock R200 diff for a 240 or 260? My 2+2 is a 3.7 pretty sure but I want to go taller. I believe that 2 seater 260's had a 3.364 and I will at least go to this. Is there anything taller than this? What kind of top speed gain would I see by going from the 3.7 to the 3.364 and what is the tallest a stock L26 could turn over at about 5000 revs. Thanks for any info.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 10:40 PM

I don't think you will gain much by installing a high ratio like a 3.3 in the zed, you might be going backwards. The engine will never reach peak rpm's. I would stick to the 3.7 or even better 3.9 ratio. Unless you have a V8 with 1000ftlb of torque don't bother. Or are you planning on going to the S.A. salt flats for a land speed record attempt in a zed...

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 11:20 PM

Maybe not a land speed record, just a zed speed record... :D :P

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:32 AM

Nissan had the following ratios available for the R200 (some are very rare and hard to find these days but this is the complete list as I know it)

First is the ratio next is the teeth count on the crown/pinion

3.154 41/13 (special ratio hard to find)
3.364 37/11
3.545 39/11
3.700 37/10
3.900 39/10
4.111 37/9
4.375 35/8
4.625 37/8
4.875 39/9 (special ratio hard to find)
5.143 36/7 (special ratio hard to find)

The common ones (ie ones I have and can find here in NZ are)
3.364, 3.545 (from 300zx Z31 mainly), 3.700 (300zx Z31), 3.900 (depends Laural L20ET Auto's are a good source), 4.111 (R30/R31 Skylines)

I try to get from the later cars so I get the 12mm not 10mm versions, however if it is the ratio I want I don't care. I have a 3.700 and 3.900 that I might part with in the next few months however shipping to OZ is always going to kill any deal.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 03:08 PM

Hi,
  Did 260's ever come with the 3.154 or was it an option or something? Cheers

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 07:25 PM

Hi,
  Did 260's ever come with the 3.154 or was it an option or something? Cheers

That is why I said Special ie not standard like some of the others.

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 08:20 PM

Hi,
  Does anyone know where I could find the 3.154 or taller in Aus? What car did this come out in? Would like to find around a 3:1 or even 2.75 or 2.5. Thanks. :)

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 11:11 PM

By Special in my above post = custom made aka Kameari units - talk to BenZed see this post in his thread http://www.viczcar.c...7.html#msg20057

I don't think you will get taller than 3.154. I believe 3.3 were in some auto's these should be easier to find.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 07:24 AM

Why do you need such a tall ratio? Are you building a land speed record breaking Zed? ???
You can take what NZeder has said as gospel - no other factory ratio's taller than 3.1 were made. 

If you’re so desperate for a taller than factory ratio, you could always get a CW&P made.
There are suitable machine shops in Australia that can do this for you.


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Posted 14 July 2008 - 08:42 AM

Yep I agree with Lurch why would you need a taller diff than 3.36? I actually have a 3.36 LSD sitting at home but I do plan on going to the Salt Lakes in SA in a couple of years and go for a Zed top speed. With this ration and engine combination I would be looking for more than 300klms maybe to 330 if I was extremely lucky. Can you explain why you would want to go that fast or faster? You certainly can't do it anywhere on the road or on any race track. Especially if you only have 6 cylinders as it simply wouldn't happen. Dimitri was dead right with his initial comments.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 12:23 PM

hmmm.

i remember when i got my 4.4 LSd for my zed the guy had a 2:75 lsd in stock too. The place was called Adelaide Jap Parts they also have a website http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/ . now not sure if he still has it i bought mine about a year ago. but worth a try he may have some more stock.

Craig a 6 potter with a turbo will get to pretty good top speed. dont need a V8  ;D but to run a higher diff ratio that Brabham is after that 6 better have some decent turbo on it with decent amount of lag.

im thinking going 3.7 from 4.4. just feels that im doing too many gear changes in short period of time. but all my speedo gauges and  sensors are working quite well for a 4.4 with 16" rims so bit reluctant to change it now.

i just hope i can install my open wheeler 3.7 for a test. i think the tailshaft flange has a lip which i dont think is compatible on the original 260z diff. the 4.4 is from an import and the flange has a larger diameter lip than the stock one.




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Posted 14 July 2008 - 12:36 PM

Ha yeah RBZ I wasn't thinking Turbo. I put a 3.9 in my car and I must say the ration feels perfect to me. The 3.36 was high and held me back a bit on the track and was always driving around in a gear below normal. But I do want to make the Salt Flats one day. Got a few people keen to go over with me. The G-nose should help me get up there as well. Ahh one day.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 12:45 PM

Nissan had the following ratios available for the R200 (some are very rare and hard to find these days but this is the complete list as I know it)

First is the ratio next is the teeth count on the crown/pinion

3.154 41/13 (special ratio hard to find)
3.364 37/11
3.545 39/11
3.700 37/10
3.900 39/10
4.111 37/9
4.375 35/8
4.625 37/8
4.875 39/9 (special ratio hard to find)
5.143 36/7 (special ratio hard to find)

The common ones (ie ones I have and can find here in NZ are)
3.364, 3.545 (from 300zx Z31 mainly), 3.700 (300zx Z31), 3.900 (depends Laural L20ET Auto's are a good source), 4.111 (R30/R31 Skylines)

I try to get from the later cars so I get the 12mm not 10mm versions, however if it is the ratio I want I don't care. I have a 3.700 and 3.900 that I might part with in the next few months however shipping to OZ is always going to kill any deal.


If you do decide to sell the 3.9, let me know, im keen fr one, but i only really want gears, I cant justify the $1000 odd dollars they want for them at parts places.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 06:43 PM

I could imagine taking off from a set of lights with a 3.1 diff; while the engine is struggling at 2500 rpm in first, and while everyone else has accelerated away and left you alone, you will probably spend the next 15-20 seconds slowly gaining speed and reach around 60+kph then you go for second, another low rumble from the engine struggling to get more speed and so on. Then you get to the next set of lights...Might as well get a commodore...

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:24 AM

hahaha good call

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 12:25 PM

what is the tallest a stock L26 could turn over at about 5000 revs. Thanks for any info.


On flat ground in top gear?  Probably the 3.7 it came with!

haha, nice Zedman240

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 09:23 PM

Am going for top speed maybe salt flats. Hahahaha pretty funny quote Zedman. Yes I am just after top speed and the acceleration does not bother me too much. If I find a reasonably priced 3.1 or 2.75 then I will most likely buy it. Salt flats here we come... :P


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Posted 15 July 2008 - 09:53 PM

If anyone wants to sell their 3.3 or taller for a good price then let me know. Thanks

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 09:05 AM

Ahh Brabham I don't think you are comprehending what people are trying to tell you. The thing you need to tell us is how much power does your car have and what does it rev to? I had a 3.36 diff in my car and I would do 200kmh or more at 4000rpm. My car rev's over 7,000 rpm that equates to a car capable of well over 300kmh, if and I say only if the car will rev over 6K in top gear.
How fast do you want to go? If the above is the case then why would you want a 3.1 or 2.75 diff??? Unless you are looking to go 400kmh. But I am guessing if your car is a normally aspirated 6 cyl then you don't have a hope in hell of getting anywhere near 300klm no matter what bloody diff you have.
Sorry to spoil the dream but I thought I might need to put a dose of reality into this thread.
For those who don't know there is an annual event at the SA Salt Flats where 100's of cars gather to see what top speed they can do complete with timing devises, wind guages etc. Massive event with some awesome cars.

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 09:50 AM

im with craig. if you want ot go real fast top speed wise (dont want to go all scientific and put all to sleep) you need some serious engine and serious aerodynamics. past certain speed power required to gain extra km/h doesnt increase linearly but exponentialy. (oops)

anyway to keep it simple an example

if u need 50hp to get to 100kmh than if linear you need 100hp to get to 200 without looking at aerodynamics change at different speed. in reality its more like you need 300+ hp to get to 200km/h due to air resistance.
if you car is designed like a brick ie xd- xf falcon. you prob need 400hp.
(these are just figures pulled out of the hat for matter of explaining how it works dont have time calculating it all out. )

now early zeds are not much better than that xd falcon unless the Gnose has been installed which reduces drag. even with that its not that aerodynamic. so overcome that a bit more you need serious HP but than again the laws of physics will still prevail inculding high speed stability and the cars structure holding together.

just look at buggati veyron. very aerodynamic and huge 1000HP engine max speed over 440km/h.

i remember years ago when one chap was obssesed with gear ratios thinking his VN commmodore V6 NA will do 7sec down the 400m if geared right. hmmm i wonder y some hiped up drag cars need big tyres big HP engine and extra light weight bodies with aerodynamic improvemnt to do those times. they should just copy this commodore guy. LOL.

anyway hope it i explained it bit better.

we all could be wrong maybe this zed is designed for salt lake max speed but hes keeping it a secret.




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