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#1 aircobra

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 11:28 AM

symptom is - sudden throttle movements cause clunking from somewhere in the rear.

going over bumps DOES not cause clunking

gradual application of throttle is fine

1. all rubbers and mounts are brand new

2. u joins have been replaced and all free of slop

3. checked all the bolts

4. diff strap is in place

5. rotated the wheels with car on stands and a bit of slop in the differential, but nothing out of the ordinary

6. exhaust and exhaust mounts all new

what the hell could it be?



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 12:56 PM

Always hard to diagnose over a forum, but i'd be very confident its the diff.
What are the mustache bar mounts like? If they are worn or soft they could be allowing the mustache bar to move up or down on the big rubber chassis mounts under load.
You should be able to put a jack under the diff (while its on stands) and lift the weight up to see how the bushes move under chassis weight and free hanging, should give you an idea of how soft they are and roughly how far they'll compress under load (about half as much as when they droop)
you say the diff strap is in place, but is there room for the nose of the diff to move under sudden load? (quick acceleration)
Id imagine that when you give it a boot it's loading the diff nose upwards and stretching the strap, then when it unloads it comes down with a clunk.
Maybe you could temporarily secure it with a ratchet strap or something jammed betwwen the nose and mount to take up freeplay just to diagnose the noise.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 01:14 PM

Maybe its something inside the car??

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:02 PM

Maybe its something inside the car??

 

A forgotten 'girl friend'?



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:10 PM

Could be Diff Backlash



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:28 PM

I got the same problem. I think that it is Diff backlash. The best way I been told to fix it is with a new diff mount SWS in Sydney.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:40 PM

Sounds like diff backlash, from my own experience. Internal clearances, not external.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:44 PM

1. diff mount + moustache rubbers are all new

2.have jacked up car by the diff front nose and no movement (shdn;t really do that probably),

3. married to the girlfriend, so figured she's not under the spare tire

 i can try the strap trick just to be sure

other then mounting a go pro underneath ,



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:46 PM

1. diff mount + moustache rubbers are all new

2.have jacked up car by the diff front nose and no movement (shdn;t really do that probably),

3. married to the girlfriend, so figured she's not under the spare tire

 i can try the strap trick just to be sure

other then mounting a go pro underneath ,



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:18 PM

I have the same issue and my assumption is the front diff strap is cactus. I'm moving to an RT style top mounted bumpstop and also replacing the moustache bar bushes for good measure.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:45 PM

although the strap is pretty crap idea, i reckon the Nissan diff mount will serve me for 5+ years with a stock L24



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 06:28 PM

 What rear brakes are you running and do you get a pulsing through the brake pedal corresponding to the noise?



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:16 PM

Stock rear drums and no brake pulsing, I only get it when I nail the throttle, lift after heavy acceleration or over *some* bumps



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 07:40 PM

I got it too. Have spent hours diagnosing with no definitive answer.
Please let me know when you find it.
Go Pro is prolly my next step.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:10 PM

I know my car's rear end is a bit non-standard and I have the Wilwood brakes, etc, but I chased a similar sound for months - even swapped the diff.

 

I simply never considered the brakes as it occurred after hard acceleration without touching the pedal. As Cozza knows, I now believe it to have been an issue with the brake calliper/pistons/pads - probably not bedded-in in some fashion. After removing the rear wheels and sitting the LCAs on Cossa's hoist, engaging second gear and gently applying the brakes for 10 minutes, the problem went away

 

Try hard acceleration while applying light pressure on the brake pedal and see what happens.

 

I know this sound completely absurd but I hate to see folks going through the mental anguish I went through, so just give it a try.  


Edited by PeterAllen, 20 September 2017 - 09:10 PM.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:05 AM

my other theory is the exhaust pipe banging on the cross member where there's the circulat cutout cutout?

http://whiteheadperf...iff-Xmember.jpg( not my car)

how much clearance do people have between the pipe and the cross member?

is it meant be handing pretty low or right up against the



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:41 AM

Temporarily clamp/ziptie a bit of rubber sheet piece, to crossmember, to insulate.
Go for drive, if noise has changed,/gone, then yes its exhaust hitting crossmember,

Do one test at a time, or you wont know which it is.

Jack up rear of car, release handbrake, put car in gear.
Rotate one tyre, back/forth. Clunking? Excess CW&P backlash.
Remove diff, send it to a diff/box shop to have backlash adjusted out.
You still need some, to allow for growth under heat, talking a few thou's

No, you cant do that at home, you need dial guage, and possibly a new pinion crush tube. They may also report it needs re-lapping, if teeth wear is bad.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:24 AM

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Jack up rear of car, release handbrake, put car in gear.
Rotate one tyre, back/forth. Clunking? Excess CW&P backlash.
Remove diff, send it to a diff/box shop to have backlash adjusted out.
You still need some, to allow for growth under heat, talking a few thou's

No, you cant do that at home, you need dial guage, and possibly a new pinion crush tube. They may also report it needs re-lapping, if teeth wear is bad.

 

Be careful here. You would be assessing 'play' from the clutch through to the wheel bearing using this technique.

 

To check the diff, grab the pinion input flange with one hand and output flange with your other hand, and rock back and forth. You need to check individual components not the system. 


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 04:36 PM

I'm on the diff backlash bandwagon. I have the same issue, and have new bushes throughout, new uni joints in the driveshafts and tailshaft, and the RT diff mount.

 

Noise became a fair bit worse with the increased NVH from the poly bushes, and I can see/feel play when I perform the same test described by dat2kman. If you move the wheel back and forth and watch what play you have before the input pinion moves it gives you a fair idea of what play there is in the diff.



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:06 PM

thank to everyone for the suggestions, hopefully its knowledge for all

1. followed the suggestion ( kato's?) to place a some rubber on the exhaust pipe where it meets the cross member. no difference, other than numbnuts did not remove at the end of the experiment and was then driving around with a burnt rubber smell. so dead end there 

2. so took the car for the RWC and the guy found it.

ready?

ok,

1. here's the diff mount i got from zcardepot

https://zcardepot.co...80z-71-78.html/

standard nissan issue

2. its not damaged in the car, just like i said

3. however, instead of sitting symmetrical on the cross member like this

http://woodworkerb.c...Figure-RA-3.png

its stretched tight on the front and compressed at the back to the point that the mount lips hits the cross member when the diff moves

4. i have the straight rear cross member like this

https://c1.staticfli...45221a6b8_o.jpg

5. stewart wilkins ( god bless that guy) from sw motorsports tells me that i need an EARLIER version of the mount - that no one makes anymore - so that the diff sits more forward

6. i think this is right because lots of the suppliers list a 72-78 mount and not 70-71

55415-E4102 - this is the early mount

55415-N4300/4301 - this is generic 280z one that i have

7. from what i can see, the difference seems to around 5mm between the two in regard to the bolt centres

 

so ........ question is:

 

A. have i got the right end of the stick

B. surely someone has done this before - is it a matter of ovaling the holes on the mount or just turning it around?






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