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#21 74zzz

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 11:28 AM

would this have been sold around 8/9 years ago.........out near samford? I was very keen to have a look but had a a mssive repair bill on my daily driver at the time :)

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 11:28 AM

Thanks updated first post, it's becoming clear I really need some sort of database for these cars. A car can have multiple photos and owners (past and present) so will need to devise something in the future.

Still I've surprised myself as to how many can be accounted for so far...or at least others have claimed to have seen or there is some record of them..

@Alan - Do you know of many early/low numbered HS30 prefixed cars in the UK? So far it seems we in Australia got a lot of sequentially numbered early cars. We have discussed in the past that HS30 prefixed cars were sold in UK, Australia, Japan (71 onward?) and New Zealand and possibly South Africa (in very small numbers).

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 01:05 PM

HS30 00183 (QLD - WA Z Register)
Me Confirmed  :) Qld
Always preferred the term Zenki rather than early girl, originally Kalahari Tan/New sight orange 918 now Guards Red with L28 all by previous owner

Also HS30 00409
Known Brisbane will be full restored one day

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 07:49 PM

@Alan - Do you know of many early/low numbered HS30 prefixed cars in the UK? So far it seems we in Australia got a lot of sequentially numbered early cars. We have discussed in the past that HS30 prefixed cars were sold in UK, Australia, Japan (71 onward?) and New Zealand and possibly South Africa (in very small numbers).


First two HS30s officially imported into UK were 'HS30-00034' (registered 'UAR 609J') and 'HS30-00035' (registered 'MBP 72J' and much seen in the contemporary UK motoring press). Both cars still exist, '34' as a race car (which spent some time travelling in the Antipodes with its owner in the 2000s) and '35' as a restored showpiece.

As you know, 'HS30-00024', 'HS30-00025', 'HS30-00026' and 'HS30-00027' were Works rally cars, built to take part in the 1970 RAC Rally. They account for early 'HS30' prefixed chassis numbers, but their bodyshells were made from super lightweight 'PZR' Fairlady Z432-R pressings put together at Hiratsuka and then transported to the Works competition shops at Oppama to be built into Works rally cars.

The Works cars built for the 1971 RAC Rally had chassis numbers in the HS30-008** range. Don't know if you want to class that as 'early', as their bodies were put together in mid 1971 - again from PZR pressings.

Only other 'low' chassis serial numbered HS30s I know of in the UK currently have actually come here via Australia and NZ.



One of the problems with counting/accounting for the 'HS30' prefixed bodies is that people expect them to be in some sort of constant and linear progression, which wasn't the case. There were gaps both in production and numbering. Nissan Shatai was under great pressure, operating over reasonable capacity, and so was Nissan's whole supply and transport system. Datsun UK (a concessionaire at the time, remember) was reluctant to sell sports cars, as it didn't see them as its bread and butter (they'd have preferred to sell three Sunnies than one 240Z...) and Nissan fell foul of both import taxes and new lighting laws, necessitating a re-design of the front sidelights and indicators. All of this delayed official imports and meant that some capacity initially allocated to the UK was apparently re-assigned to Aus./NZ. 

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:04 PM

here is poor old #12

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:12 PM

here is poor old #12

Ummm
know & I have seen this car previously...did Alex M sell it?
???

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:31 PM

here is poor old #12


I have seen cars in a poorer state come back to life. Is the original motor around ?

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 08:57 PM

Jesus ::)


Just in case I haven't explained why I go on so long and hard about zhome.com and all that "An American Car, Made in Japan" stuff:

The first time I came into contact with that 'USA uber alles' type thinking was in the old pre-forum mailing list days. Carl Beck and his followers were under the misapprehension that the concept, design, engineering and productionisation of the "240" (other models didn't exist...) was ALL about the USA.

How does this relate to 'our' HS30-prefixed cars? Well, Mr Beck and his friends were convinced that no HS30-prefixed cars had been made in 1969, and that - therefore - they were obviously some kind of afterthought. That line of thinking extended to the concept, design, engineering and productionisation of the "240Z" - the mistaken belief being that RHD "240Zs" didn't figure in any of that. Which is - of course - a complete and utter travesty, and could not be further from the truth. When the protoype, pre-production and 1969 total production figures were released by the ex-Nissan Shatai guys, the numbers seemed to be something of a surprise to the USA hardliners. 

That's what I've been trying to get across. It sometimes falls on deaf ears, but if it causes just one person in a hundred to re-examine what they've been told ("240Z designed for the USA", "L-series engine designed for the USA", "Yutaka Katayama conceived/designed the 240Z" etc etc ) I think it's worth it.

Sorry if you don't agree.     

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Posted 05 August 2015 - 09:17 PM

Alan, can you elaborate further on Mr. Katayama's involvement (and lack thereof) with S30 development?
I've heard comments made he was 'banished' to the US...?

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 08:15 AM

Yeah having a look at george's this one seems to be less  swiss cheese than his:) but then again I know how these things hide cancer :)

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 09:49 AM

Ummm
know & I have seen this car previously...did Alex M sell it?
???



No he still has it, I went and had a look with intentions of buying it.


I have seen cars in a poorer state come back to life. Is the original motor around ?



I don't think it is.


Yeah having a look at george's this one seems to be less  swiss cheese than his:) but then again I know how these things hide cancer :)



Lets just say what it makes up for in lack of rust it, gives away to crash damage. With modern re-pro parts available you could definitely fix it, just wasn't right for me with the ZG half done in the garage.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 09:59 AM

Sorry but the term 'early girl' is full of gayness and misrepresents the awesomeness of the Zed :o Carry on, my good deed for the day is done ;D

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 10:48 AM

Sorry but the term 'early girl' is full of gayness and misrepresents the awesomeness of the Zed :o Carry on, my good deed for the day is done ;D


Fairlady Z and Early Girl are synonymous with "gayness" in many people's minds it would seem. Personally I don't see the big deal when you have cars like Ford "Escort" or Mitsubishi "Pajero".

http://www.urbandict...php?term=Pajero

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 10:57 AM

Lets just say what it makes up for in lack of rust it, gives away to crash damage. With modern re-pro parts available you could definitely fix it, just wasn't right for me with the ZG half done in the garage.


So the original matching numbers engine is definitely no longer around? How original is it in terms of original bits and pieces? Assume they are stored elsewhere?

I only know of the damage to the rear 1/4 panel, but is it bent in other ways also?

It's definitely worth restoring, even without the original engine in my opinion. In some markets the engine number wasn't stamped on the ID plate.

It is a significant car in my opinion.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 01:25 PM

would this have been sold around 8/9 years ago.........out near samford? I was very keen to have a look but had a a mssive repair bill on my daily driver at the time :)


I had it for sale near rockhamton probably about 12 years ago then Jake  (D3c0y) bought it off me and it sold on the Gold Coast a out 10 years ago.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 01:57 PM

So the original matching numbers engine is definitely no longer around? How original is it in terms of original bits and pieces? Assume they are stored elsewhere?

I only know of the damage to the rear 1/4 panel, but is it bent in other ways also?

It's definitely worth restoring, even without the original engine in my opinion. In some markets the engine number wasn't stamped on the ID plate.

It is a significant car in my opinion.



Some of the parts are still with it, there is quite a bit inside the car. It crashed at lakeside and hit backwards and someone has had a go at repairing some of it. So it needs rear quarters, back end valance panel etc.
It was imported from PNG which is an interesting point.

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 02:22 PM

i remember seeing it.......only thing i can remember the ad saying was light weight racing wheels........havnt seen wheels like it since.....so just assumed it may be it......i could be wrong with samford :) the sale pics of were it sitting on a road with a bush back drop:)

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 02:41 PM

Sorry but the term 'early girl' is full of gayness and misrepresents the awesomeness of the Zed :o Carry on, my good deed for the day is done ;D


always preferred the term Zenki rather than early girl,



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Posted 06 August 2015 - 02:56 PM

It was imported from PNG which is an interesting point.


PNG = Papua New Guinea I assume?

Yeah I do wonder if Nissan officially exported some cars to pacific island nations? I just found these posts which sees to suggest Nissan may have been active in that part of the world.

http://www.classiczc...510-zs-in-fiji/
http://www.classiczc...i-qld/?p=202243

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Posted 06 August 2015 - 06:18 PM

Many years ago when I lived in Auckland & regularly attended car shows I met an owner of a Z which was originally sold new in the Philippines, & another guy was the 2nd owner of a Z that had been sold new in Hong Kong. I'll have photos buried away somewhere as they were different in detail from the NZ, Aus & UK-new cars.
I suspect anywhere in the world where there was a Nissan dealer there's a good chance that a Zed or three were sold.




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