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#1 gav240z

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 05:05 PM

Hi Everyone,

I want to start a thread on 260z door trims for 74/75 models as these appear to be different to later style door cards fitted on 76/77 models. This seems to be a massive point of confusion for many owners - including me - although I'm sans 260z at this stage.

Let's start with the main difference that have been documented already.
http://www.viczcar.c...ic,13542.0.html
http://www.viczcar.c...ic,16266.0.html


1. The lock position. Early style appear to be 15 cm from the rear of door card.
2. Now talking to a supplier in Japan he informs me that there could be other differences depending on market in relation to arm rest position. But this seems to be market dependent. At a guess I'd say that maybe 280z's sold in the US were a little different again to 260z's.

So for those of you with 260z 2 seaters (early or late) would you be able to measure the following datum points?

a. Door lock position*
b. Door handle position.
c. Arm rest positions.

* The supplier has informed me that the door lock position could probably be moved from 25 cm to 15 cm and you wouldn't be able to notice. So this may be a workaround to our problem with only being able to obtain later door trims. However if the arm rest positions are also different that's not going to go well....

If anyone has the part no's for 260z door trims on a 74 model AU market 260z please let me know?

When I get home I'll measure up the set I have and provide photos for reference, I suspect our market only had the 1 arm rest position but certainly can't hurt to double-check.

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Posted 31 July 2015 - 05:23 PM

To further add to this theory that maybe later 280z ones are different.
http://jdm-car-parts...r-panel-set-nos

> Genuine Nissan NOS door panel set for 1977-78 Datsun 280Z coupe
> It does not fit 1974 260Z or 1975-76 280Z model

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Posted 02 August 2015 - 12:51 AM

Ok so here is some reference measurements and photos. Not an exact science since there are various curved edges which makes an absolute *fixed* point of reference difficult but you hopefully get the idea and can compare with what you already have.

Rear most (relative to door) arm rest hole. (14 cm from rear of card to center of hole).
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Rear most arm rest hole to bottom of door card (20.5 cm)
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As you can see the first and second hole are not on the same fixed y-axis in terms of position, the second hole is slightly higher than the first.
The second hole is about (34.5 cm) from rear of door card.
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Bottom of door card to center of second hole is (21.5 cm)

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Inner Door handle (square area) is (5 cm from bottom of door trim).
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and (34.5cm to front of door trim).
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Window Crank hole. (~ 25cm from center of hole to bottom of door trim)
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Approx (~ 28cm to front of door trim) window crank hole.
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Arm rest upper hole / fixture point. (~38.5 cm from bottom of door trim)
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and (13.5 cm from top of door trim)
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and (34.5 cm to front of door trim)
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and the door lock hole. (~ 22.5cm from rear of door trim)
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A couple of people asked about the chrome. These photos didn't turn out as well as I had hoped...
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There is no flaking on either door trim, if I was to be really really picky on 1 side there is very minor ripple which I don't think anything could be done about in all honesty and it's only in a small part of the strip, not something you would notice unless really looking very close. But the chrome is not peeling or flaking anywhere at all. It's as good as you'll get.

Hopefully this gives you a good reference for your own door trims to compare against. I suspect the main difference on AU delivered '260z's' is the lock position only.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 12:24 AM

Hi Everyone,

 

I just wanted to gauge interest in early 260z 2 seater door trims? I've had a couple of members contact me about this and I'm still working with a supplier in Japan to try and get these made with the correct lock position and possibly arm rest position (as these might be a few mm different between years).

 

The other thing I wanted to gauge was interest in "white" trims. Since black ones are the most common and only ones currently available. I have a sample of the original colour with the supplier at the moment but the economics of scale means it's going to be expensive to get a single set produced. So I was wondering how many others could potentially be interested?

 

Unfortunately given how rare they are prices are not cheap. So we are looking at over $1,500 AU and possibly up to $2,000 (sorry can't be more precise yet) at this stage, but depending on how many were interested these costs could come down? So just looking for numbers to see how many are interested?

 

Also considering options locally if we can find a suitable trimmer as this might work out better with current $AUD vs JPY and USD.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 08:30 AM

Hey Gav , I have a a new drivers side card and a kind of ok set if you want borrow to see if trimmers could do something here !. I'm pretty keen to get a complete set in as new condition . thanks, Will



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 01:15 PM

In terms of local suppliers, Protrim list that they do door cards for 260's (although no year designation).  They could be worth discussing with:

 

http://www.prostitch...tion Door Trims

 

$1580 a pair not bad for what looks like a fairly reasonable reproduction to me, although the do say to contact them for options and pricing



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Posted 23 October 2015 - 04:42 AM

Photos of early 260z 2 seater trims are here:

 

http://www.viczcar.c...-2-seater-sold/

 

You can see lock position is different.



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Posted 29 October 2015 - 01:55 AM

Hi everyone,
I managed to find a supplier in the US which has early 260z door trims only problem is shipping is 300 USD a piece and shipping 3 in bulk only saves me about 100 USD (1100 USD in shipping alone).

So we are looking at shipping by sea to see how cheap we can get it. However that will obviously take a lot longer.

I just wanted to see how much interest there is in these door trims as I might import a few depending on demand.

Cost would be around $1,500 AU a pair.

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Posted 01 November 2015 - 03:07 PM

Here is the 260z 2 seater door trim lock position for comparison.

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 08:16 PM

I did some more research into this and found that early 260z door trims use these part no.s

 

80900-N3600 (Black) Right Hand Side. (up to 07/76)
80900-N3601 (Brown) Right Hand Side. (up to 08/74)
80900-N3603 (Beige) Right Hand Side. (up to 07/76)
80900-N3604 (Dark Brown) Right Hand Side (up to 07/76)
 
80901-N3600 (Black) Left Hand Side. (up to 07/76)
80901-N3601 (Brown) Left Hand Side. (up to 08/74)
80901-N3603 (Beige) Left Hand Side. (up to 07/76)
80901-N3604 (Dark Brown) Left Hand Side (up to 07/76)
 
It looks like brown was only available for 1 year (1974).

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Posted 24 March 2016 - 08:33 PM

Hi everyone,
I managed to find a supplier in the US which has early 260z door trims only problem is shipping is 300 USD a piece and shipping 3 in bulk only saves me about 100 USD (1100 USD in shipping alone).

So we are looking at shipping by sea to see how cheap we can get it. However that will obviously take a lot longer.

I just wanted to see how much interest there is in these door trims as I might import a few depending on demand.

Cost would be around $1,500 AU a pair.

What is the cost of shipping inside the 52 states?

 

A few years ago i purchased 7 sets of wheels that was going cost $450 per set landed. In the end I got them shipped to an american muscle car importer who had a warehouse in LA who then back filled the container with my rims. It ended up costing $150 per set landed. In total it took around 2 months to have them at my door. 

 

Just a thought.


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Posted 25 March 2016 - 01:26 AM

So the reproduction trims for 74/75 model 260z's ended up not being such a great fit. I believe this is because they were really just later style trims that were modified with an assumption that the only difference between early and late was the lock position. However as I found out the earlier trims also have slightly different locating pin positions on the rear of the trim to the later ones. I don't believe that there is any issue fitting the reproduction trims to later 260z's.

 

I've attached some photos that compare the original OEM door trim with the reproduction trim.

 

You can see the door trim is a bit smaller on the leading edge than the original.

comparission 1.JPG

 

another angle.

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comparisson 3.JPG

 

I believe the door handle position is also slightly different between early and later cars. Which is another reason that simply drilling a hole 15 cm from the rear of the door card won't allow these trims to fit an earlier 260z.

new door card covered central holes.JPG

 

You can see the depression in the upper door trim bracket where the hole was designed to be for this door trim. So we can only assume the reproduction items were based on a later 260z style template.

new door card door pin location.JPG

 

On the OEM trims you can see the depression is exactly where the hole is for the door lock pin.

old door card door pin location.JPG

 

In this photo compare the position of the locating pins on the rear of the door trim. You'll see they are quite different between the 2. Again another reason why I feel these were designed for later cars only and modified to suit earlier cars without realising there was additional differences.

door cards side by side.JPG

 

In this particular case since the doors were re-dyed from black to white (before test fitting) we couldn't return them to the supplier. In the end I helped the owner source OEM door trims which cost more, but for the quality of the build it was necessary to go OEM. The reproductions could have been made to work with some modifications etc.. and may have been ok on a less than perfect rebuild, but the build I supplied the OEM parts for was a concourse restoration of a 260z hence it needed to be spot on.

 

As a side note: I've noticed quite a few reproduction parts have not been up to spec of the original OEM items lately. So I'm now much more cautious when asking questions about reproductions. In 1 case I ordered a 5 speed gear knob that was advertised as a reproduction only to receive it and find the button was a RED R instead of an all white 1-2-3-4-5-R. To say I was a bit annoyed is an understatement, since the photo on eBay was the correct OEM look. Still working with the vendor on that 1.






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