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#21 74zzz

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 08:55 PM

Im with decoy anything less than 20 you are short changing yourself.... Not sure where the other bloke is getting his figures from :)  25-30 is more like it particularly if it's not full of filler..... Did the wheels for period ones.... The conversion alone is 6+ grand

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 09:32 PM

Please email me if you'd like more photos or specific areas. Due to the lighting and my samsung, the floor pans + rust bubbles will be taken first chance this weekend.

Thank you to those that kindly took the time to email me and give me advice and those that called. As i've received so many calls, text and emails. My apologies if i dont get back to you right away but ill endeavor to respond at least within a day.

Disclaimer: no i do not wash her at a car wash, merely due to poor lighting at my residence it was the closest.

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 10:28 PM

Unfortunately i cannot post anymore pics


Are you having a technical issue with the website or just can't at the moment?

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 11:44 AM

Im with decoy anything less than 20 you are short changing yourself.... Not sure where the other bloke is getting his figures from :)  25-30 is more like it particularly if it's not full of filler..... Did the wheels for period ones.... The conversion alone is 6+ grand


My estimate was based on what I thought it would sell on e-bay on todays market with what was provided at the time and only 2 photos.
Is it fair to say a car is only worth what somebody is willing to pay.
I looked at a very nice 95 Nissan skyline GTR factory low ks with log books, sold no reserve for 15k,GTS selling for as low as 5k, Club sports and Senators with low ks having trouble getting 8k, SLK230 low ks sports convertible having trouble getting 8k, not sure if you have been following the market, but no one has any money.

This car had no mention of Mode plates, and was wanting a estimate selling as is with all known problems.no rego or WRC,  I also stated if the car was fixed up it could go for 25k-45k depending condition and finding the right buyer, How long will that take.?, If you are forced to sell as is expect the worst, most of you are offering a price of what you feel it is worth
Bad points about the car,
sold as an unfinished project, (no idea what it will cost to finish)
It was stated the diff needed replacing, ( has the car been thrashed )
The floor as been coated in tar,(is that to hide the rusted floors) Photos needed of under carpets.
It had a paint job in 1999 and has rust bubbles coming though the back, (how well was the rebuild, are you sitting on a time bomb) photos of rebuild will show what is under the paint
Has only owned the car for 4 months, (why is he selling it, has he found it is full of rust or huge problems with drive line) photos of rebuild and rego and on the road will help ease these concerns.

So there are just a few concerns that buyers would want to know, that will reflect what a bidding price some one will go to on a unknown car of what will it cost to get this car back on the road,
If the car is good it would be well worth your while to get it fixed and on the road with all photos and cert.
How many saying it is worth over 25k as is with known problems actually have the money and have offered to buy it now.


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Posted 21 May 2015 - 01:54 PM

My estimate was based on what I thought it would sell on e-bay on todays market with what was provided at the time and only 2 photos.
Is it fair to say a car is only worth what somebody is willing to pay.
I looked at a very nice 95 Nissan skyline GTR factory low ks with log books, sold no reserve for 15k,GTS selling for as low as 5k, Club sports and Senators with low ks having trouble getting 8k, SLK230 low ks sports convertible having trouble getting 8k, not sure if you have been following the market, but no one has any money.

This car had no mention of Mode plates, and was wanting a estimate selling as is with all known problems.no rego or WRC,  I also stated if the car was fixed up it could go for 25k-45k depending condition and finding the right buyer, How long will that take.?, If you are forced to sell as is expect the worst, most of you are offering a price of what you feel it is worth
Bad points about the car,
sold as an unfinished project, (no idea what it will cost to finish)
It was stated the diff needed replacing, ( has the car been thrashed )
The floor as been coated in tar,(is that to hide the rusted floors) Photos needed of under carpets.
It had a paint job in 1999 and has rust bubbles coming though the back, (how well was the rebuild, are you sitting on a time bomb) photos of rebuild will show what is under the paint
Has only owned the car for 4 months, (why is he selling it, has he found it is full of rust or huge problems with drive line) photos of rebuild and rego and on the road will help ease these concerns.

So there are just a few concerns that buyers would want to know, that will reflect what a bidding price some one will go to on a unknown car of what will it cost to get this car back on the road,
If the car is good it would be well worth your while to get it fixed and on the road with all photos and cert.
How many saying it is worth over 25k as is with known problems actually have the money and have offered to buy it now.


@Patch, im not sure his response was aimed at your post (more for bottom of page one). While i do appreciate the feedback, as people's opinions is what i asked for. I mentioned and wrote in the original post that it is fully engineered, and reflected on the registration papers FOR NSW (NSW does not require mod plates or rwc) if not registered, it will need a blueslip . It was never stated as an unfinished project.

While you did raise valid concerns that people would have, whether my reasoning or integrity is up for debate is another question. I am in no way shape of form a Z veteran hence and would advise any potential buyers to bring there mechanic etc and happy to take it to a workshop/hoist for them. Ive removed the information stated that i dont have paper work for so there isnt any confusion.

lastly, the under body (exterior is coated in tar - rust prevention), floor pan shots to be taken over the weekend.


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Posted 21 May 2015 - 01:56 PM

fair call but as you will see with the lads that are buying these things now most arnt cash strapped 20 year olds and are looking/expecting to restore......comparing  240zs to slks and crumbydores is chalk and cheese and not even in the same class modern/classic or in the senators case a commodore with a V8 and plastic panels.....the types that go for those cars are not the same market looking for a z.  hence z prices have almost doubled in 5/6 years....... when I first started looking in 2005 could have bought a reasonable 240 for 6 grand now id be paying 15+ for the same thing. any imported gtr that has logbooks and low kms selling for 15k should read hi on the BS meter the lengths that some dealers/exporters/importers go to (ahem Phil) to sell genuine vehicles is astonishing. 

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 02:35 PM

I think there is 3 types of z buyers........1)looking for original or restoring to original and willing to pay through the nose for it, looking for highly modified and willing to pay for it and dreamers that want either option one or two and are looking to spend 15 grand

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 02:38 PM

The reason for mentioning those cars, was I was amazed at how much the market has come down on performance cars, they would have been double that a year ago, this car presents well and has all the makings of archiving a high price 35-45k if finished, but when you look at the price the 2+2  on e-bay with the rb in which still hasn't sold of 7k, and the price of Tim's LS 240 only getting well under 20k over a year ago, after looking at all the photos and comments, I would still be surprised if it goes over 18k sold as is not on the road. 

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 03:11 PM

yep agreed but even with highly modified transplants few would want an LS z, just doesn't 'seem' right and wouldnt be one for most on this forum who are purists (generalising)......rbs are more accepted and desired in the z world as its still manufacturer specific and 6 cylinders....... v8 guys wouldnt normally consider a z as a project car therefore would most probably over look it or not want to decent money for it... i could be wrong though and lets face it......i hear the snarls already.... but a bus with an rb is not money well spent for looks or desirability :)

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 03:32 PM

The reason for mentioning those cars, was I was amazed at how much the market has come down on performance cars, they would have been double that a year ago, this car presents well and has all the makings of archiving a high price 35-45k if finished, but when you look at the price the 2+2  on e-bay with the rb in which still hasn't sold of 7k, and the price of Tim's LS 240 only getting well under 20k over a year ago, after looking at all the photos and comments, I would still be surprised if it goes over 18k sold as is not on the road.


Hi Patch,

I offered $20,000.00 for the car and the offer was declined so that will give you an indication for what money he is looking for.
I would not say that he is trying to mislead in any way, he has been upfront about it.
However from the Zeds i have seen it is hard to find a decent one.
This car has Tail shaved but from the rust bubbles I suspect some savings were made there.
If it is a filler job then it is a clear sign that corners were cut during the restoration, I spoke to the z shop here locally and it is a common way to shave the back without welding.

On the other hand it is a 40 year old car so it won't be perfect.
To me 20k is a risk and anything above it is too big of a risk.

My mind boggles when it comes to prices of the 240s and 260s, I think a lot of people see the 50k and 60k cars and don't realise that more than the asking price was spent on restoration and it is finished car.
Like the white one for 7k or the red rust bucket where the asking price was 6k

I know of one in NZ that has over 120k spend with receipts and asking price is 50k NZ

Ps I recently found two matching number 240z "barn finds" and looking at another two this weekend - there are good base vehicles out there still.
Will post a thread on barn finds in QLD soon if anyone's intrested.

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 03:41 PM

Quick question.

How much is the RB conversion worth? $6,500.00?

If we take that number and subract from the asking price it leaves around $18,000.00 for non running and non original vehicle. That is another way of looking at it.

I Think he would be better off finishing it and sit on it until he gets what he wants for it plus the costs of finishing.
Fix the diff, repair the paint, repair the interior, add some decent looking wheels, headlight covers and flares optional and its finished - ish.

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 03:48 PM

i hadnt seen the new pics........that interior needs some work...... new seats and retrim........hmmmm....reminds me of mine when i first got it with blood red inserts and dodgy monza race seats (page 11 of the members gallery):)

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 06:33 PM

74zzz how could you not like a V8 zed ...... awesome bit of gear to drive lol

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 07:47 PM

Quick question.

How much is the RB conversion worth? $6,500.00?

If we take that number and subract from the asking price it leaves around $18,000.00 for non running and non original vehicle. That is another way of looking at it.

I Think he would be better off finishing it and sit on it until he gets what he wants for it plus the costs of finishing.
Fix the diff, repair the paint, repair the interior, add some decent looking wheels, headlight covers and flares optional and its finished - ish.



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Posted 21 May 2015 - 08:16 PM

haha Im sure it is but for those that want a v8, a zed would not be on the radar for a vast majority.........most 'classic' V8 enthusiasts i know only care about straight line speeds, not throwing one in a 1000kg car and taking on twisty mountain roads:) you ever see a classic muscle car being tossed around corners?:) besides a race prepped one:) Also, i dont want to drive a zed that sounds like every other v8 falcon or como on the road :) haha give me the scream of an angry triple carbed l28 any day:)

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 10:33 PM

RB25neo in and running and mod plated for $6500... oh yeah...

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 08:04 AM

RB25neo in and running and mod plated for $6500... oh yeah...


Hi Decoy,

To be honest I do not know what much an RB conversion is worth hence the question, it would assist Ash in figuring out how much the vechicle is worth.

Plus I would like to know as well.

Anyone have an estimate?

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 08:18 AM

Last time I priced installing a neo into a s30 I got to 12k building the car myself.

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

Hi Decoy,

To be honest I do not know what much an RB conversion is worth hence the question, it would assist Ash in figuring out how much the vechicle is worth.



Sorry misinterpreted your question, thought it was more of a statement. 44014 is on the money, i worked it out with him.

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 09:39 AM

Yep that sounds like a lot more reasonable price for the RB conversion to me. I see people thinking they can swap an LSX motor in an FD RX7 for $12k. But the reality is it costs more like 20K to do the conversion right. People just have a habit of adding up the costs of the main items and assuming it will all come together for that price. The hidden costs is what stings most people, plus engineering, plus time, plus the cost of little fittings, hoses and components - they all add up quickly.

Hence engine conversions are expensive endeavors and it makes more financial sense to buy an already converted car like this.

I'm going to say that I believe this car is worth about $22k in it's current form provided the diff is fixed and the car is in road worthy shape. It won't appeal to a purist in it's current form but will appeal to someone who is looking at doing the conversion on their own. They can view it as a rolling restoration, something they can enjoy and complete on their own time.








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