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#41 260DET

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 06:57 PM

Whatever it is that is going to make a S30 Sc go better requires some determined and well directed effort, when is that going to happen? Class racing only makes sense to me when you have a car that has the potential to win if you the driver get it absolutely right on the day. Otherwise you have in effect given up before starting, bugger that, may as well do sprints with a car that potentially can do a better time than most

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 07:39 PM

Whatever it is that is going to make a S30 Sc go better requires some determined and well directed effort, when is that going to happen? Class racing only makes sense to me when you have a car that has the potential to win if you the driver get it absolutely right on the day. Otherwise you have in effect given up before starting, bugger that, may as well do sprints with a car that potentially can do a better time than most

Your logic is contradictory, so if you go to a sprint and someone turn up with a GTR R35, you should just give up?

Everyone race for different reasons, otherwise the whole grids would just be Panteras. Not to mention in group Sc you also have sub-classes and the 240-260 Z are competing against 2.2,2.4 911, Alfa Montreal anything 2001-2600 cc.

I've done a whole lot of sprints before racing in Sc and I can tell you there is a whole world of difference between sprinting and racing. There's nothing quite like sitting on the grid with 50 other cars waiting for the light to go out.



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 08:27 PM

Agree!
Where is the "like" button.
Rints/lapdash comes down to wjo has the biggest chequebook, etc.
HMD explains it re the sub classes with Group S
Also it happens often, that too many S cars enter a race meet, and organisers will run two fields, ie a Sa & Sb, and a seperate Sc grid, or Sb&Sc together, and Sa runs with JKL cars( another category f Historic car)

But yes, when you get a full grid of 50 cars at say Phillip Island, Bathurst or Eastern Creek, it is a whole dirrent thing, and very mch enjoyable to participate in!

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 09:25 AM

:) Basically I'm just trying to gee some people up to do something and not sit back with a 'that's the way it is' attitude concerning the Sc S30. So my means justify the end IMHO.

I'm quite sure that real racing can be exciting having done a bit with other cars in sprints where it's not all follow the leader but I bet that after a bit of real racing the participants start thinking about winning. Jason certainly does  :P

The fun in sprints can be many and varied, beating big dollar cars, beating young blokes, beating P cars............

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 09:50 AM

The fun in sprints can be many and varied, beating big dollar cars, beating young blokes, beating P cars............


Agree, same with group S. It's like seeing James Flett 260z giving it to Rusty French De Tomaso and the P cars.
Or a 1300cc midget giving it to the big block Corvettes in Sb watch this clip of him at PI.



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Posted 24 April 2015 - 10:38 AM

Pr a 1968 Datsun 2000 drive around the outside of a Detomaso Pantera around Turn 1 at Phillip Island, then dissappear into the distance,,, in Sc category,,,,,

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 05:02 PM

Yes Jason, but you were not driving a S30. If you were then you would be a hero :D

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Posted 24 April 2015 - 07:59 PM

In 2008, 2009, and 2012 it was the S30, and yes, in Sc, and yes, in front of Pantereas, and all nar four, on a few occaisions.
In2010, it was the other car, and I took out all four races, incl the Vistorian Tourist Trophy for Historic Sports cars, an event that clebrates the originals, my thing was the only genuine Historic car in the field, not a replica.
Ran it again in 2011, the organsers were to
D to place me in with the later Sc cars, top 5 finisher there too.
Great fun

Now who wants a ready to race lap record holding Datsun Z car to go have fun with, up the pointy end, following James Flett around?

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:30 AM

As far as starting the process of contacting the right person at Nissan, Japan, a chap from Nissan Australia was involved in NDN15. He even attended the dinner and spoke there. There was an opportunity lost, he is keen and seems like the right person who could start the process.

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Posted 11 May 2015 - 10:58 AM

Reading up on the S30 racing years, interesting to see comments by the US drivers who went to the S30 after racing the Fairlady sports and how much better the S30 drove and handled than the sporty. Crude suspension performance and general handling saved by a powerful engine which was used to drive the car dirt track style.

Win Percy also drove a S30, one of the best handling cars around according to him. So properly setup and tuned suspension seems to be another potential advantage that the Zed has, compared with it's rivals. HTH :)

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 12:44 PM

Win Percy, who we know as a top pro driver, compared the handling of the S30 he drove with that of the Porsche factory 944 which itself was a superb handling car. Praise indeed. Of course it all depends on the individual S30's setup and tuning but we know that the potential is there ready to be used.

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 09:09 PM

Well here in NZ we can use period parts however we also have issues where others have used the rules that allow for mods to take it way to far too. example is there is FIA papers that show a 16valve head fitted to a Ford pinto block. Known as a holbay so today people are passing off a fully alloy block/head based on a YB cosworth as one of these and that is so out of spec it is not funny aka 2.5l dohc escort making 300hp......

Then we have the in period here in NZ - only saloons where raced and a zed is not a saloon. But said German cars had a token back seat so are OK.

All of this stuff has (and a new job that means I will not get my track car finished) made me sell my track car project (still keeping the flared zed) and purchase this.

1. They were raced in period here in NZ
2. It is a saloon
3. parts are readily available and still period correct and cheaper than zed stuff.
4. These parts where factory fitted. But not vented rotors etc. But then car is small and light so these still work OK.
5. I won't get the they did not race here in NZ in period like you do with a zed (the anti Japanese bit I feel is why this is pulled out of the hat)

So this is the new track car....

A 1970 Morris Cooper S 1275. OK a replica but using genuine 1275 cooper s engine, brakes and badges aka it is a reshell using a mini k body due to rusty cooper s body. Plus not many racing in classics here anymore as most race in a mino only class which is outside of period spec mods in some configurations.

So yes I have given up and jumped ship by purchasing a already completed car.

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Posted 18 July 2015 - 08:36 AM

Jason,

Not sure if this would be of any help?

http://www.ebay.com....=item5b15807c07

Just up the range

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 02:26 AM

Jason,

Not sure if this would be of any help?

http://www.ebay.com....=item5b15807c07

Just up the range

Have got copies of the Nissan Comp catalogues, it comes down to that the items must have been fitted by the factory, or by a dealer, to any new car.
( no requirement for car to only be able to be sold to public)

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 09:40 AM

Changes to Group S from CAMS.

Front Camber can now go to negative 3 degree.

Fuel can only be Avgas, Pump or E85.

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 10:11 AM

E85????? That's opening up the power game, if you take advantage of it and redo the whole fuel system.

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 10:19 AM


Will the Hitachi carbies cope with E85?

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 10:23 AM

i don't see it making any more power especially if it's not built for sky high compression.

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Posted 11 August 2015 - 03:42 PM

Changes to Group S from CAMS.

Front Camber can now go to negative 3 degree.

Fuel can only be Avgas, Pump or E85.

We've always had those fuels, camber s up by 0.25 degrees.
Not huge changes.
They really need to look at "safety in our workplace" ie the car is our workplace, and some componentry is very marginal in regard to safety.
Adding the ability to "drive" the workplace harder, further reduces the safety margins.

Some cars, for their power output are adequate/over engineered, others simply are not.

(Also, not hard at all to run E85 through Hitachis. Just need internal fuel delivery passages opened up, needles and tubes altered, and bores/butterflys enlarged in diam.
On carbied cars the manifold is free design)

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 10:13 AM

Motorsport is dangerous? I don't think it's fair to give zeds better brakes on that basis. Isn't the onus on the driver to drive in a safe manner and pick an appropriate car based on the rules?




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