Regan9415 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Hi all! The reason I'm here is I've bin looking to buy a 260z for an engine swap project 2jz-gte but first I need a 260z. Now I'm stuck between buying a resprayed "rust free" car and a car full of rust. I have no metal works/restoration skills but am willing to learn n I work away 9months a year. Seems like an easy decision yeah? Well I just look at cars from $3000 rusty n $20,000 resprayed, rebuilt engine etc I'm not needing any mechanicals just a shell. So it gets me thinking maybe I should go the rust bucket n do as much myself n pay for the rest to b done n it still would end up cheaper, maybe. All advice much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Reminds me of my beautiful rust free new respray 240z I bought off a car sales in 1986 it had been sitting for a while and not selling and the wheels got stolen off it,They wanted 7k for it then but I got them down to 4.5k thinking I was getting a good deal telling them I wanted to restore it, the work was so well done it completely fooled me, a year later the bubbles started to show and while doing some work on it I stood in the wheel well and fell though it, I had a look under carpets that were glued down and found more cover up so I stripped the car down to do a full restoration and took it to the sand blasters, On picking it up I was not sure what to do with it, Dump it or fix it, the floors had steel signs used as flooring to stop your feet going though the floor, it had spray foam in the dog legs and sills, wire mesh and bog in the other places where the rust was, there was not much stopping the car from breaking apart from the rust, someone had spent a lot of time to doctor it up, yet it wouldn't have taken much more to weld it up with steel, without full photos and proof the car has been done correctly you maybe buying your self a nightmare as well. You could easily pay 20k for a car like that now today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoota G Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Hi all! The reason I'm here is I've bin looking to buy a 260z for an engine swap project 2jz-gte but first I need a 260z. Now I'm stuck between buying a resprayed "rust free" car and a car full of rust. I have no metal works/restoration skills but am willing to learn n I work away 9months a year. Seems like an easy decision yeah? Well I just look at cars from $3000 rusty n $20,000 resprayed, rebuilt engine etc I'm not needing any mechanicals just a shell. So it gets me thinking maybe I should go the rust bucket n do as much myself n pay for the rest to b done n it still would end up cheaper, maybe. All advice much appreciated I have a 260Z for sale which has been partially restored, just need the shell finished. It doesn't have the same amount of rust that others i have repaired had and i have all the panels to fix it. It has matching numbers engine and auto so a swap is something that could be done and store the original engine. It's in the link below. http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/topic,15446.0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
44014 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 My advice, Buy one with a good body and paint job.. Save your self the heart ache of panel beaters and the rust repairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmates260z Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 +1 the best body you can afford is the cheapest stress free option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regan9415 Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 But like others have said its a risk to buy resprayed no rust. So would it really cost me that much more to just do it from scratch? All the nicer bodies cars have mechanical work done which is an unnecessary cosy as I'm not using any of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoota G Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Everytime i look at a Zed with a perfect body i go "Looks good but what is it hiding" No doubt there are some out there that have been done correctly but unless it has fully documented repairs in a resto you should steer clear of it. Buying a rusty version has the advantage of knowing what you are getting as these cars all rust in the same area. Unless it's been garaged all it's life then it will most likely have rust forming in certain areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theremm Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Get the best body your money can buy. Even if work on a car hasn't been documented you can still get a good idea as to how much bog/metal work has been done. Go around (thoroughly) with a magnet and a torch. Just because a car hasn't been documented or resprayed for that matter doesn't mean that it is rust riddled. I own another 35 year old car which is in original unrestored condition, and the worst rust is a couple of blisters here and there in the common sill spots etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted March 23, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 23, 2015 So would it really cost me that much more to just do it from scratch? In most cases yes. The cost of tools is a big factor if you don't have access to this stuff already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regan9415 Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 All I want is perfect body, electrics and interior. To do that it'll cost me more then $20,000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoota G Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 All I want is perfect body, electrics and interior. To do that it'll cost me more then $20,000? I think that's good if you can do all that for around 20K. I'm over 15K on mine just in parts, labour bumps it up to around 45K at my price. If someone else was to build it would be another 20K at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted March 23, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 23, 2015 All I want is perfect body... I want a perfect body... I want a perfect soul... At 1:31 There has been 1 or 2 rust free shells recently for around 5-8k but often not with other panels, doors, interior parts etc.. Basically a bare shell.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dat2kman Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I think that's good if you can do all that for around 20K. I'm over 15K on mine just in parts, labour bumps it up to around 45K at my price. If someone else was to build it would be another 20K at least. It certain Y does make sense buying a genuine known rust free fully assembled, and somewhat mechancally improved car, a viable proposition. Like mine, at $45k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoota G Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Dales orange Zed was a rust free car supposedly. Two tiny little bubbles in the dog legs and turns out they were both shagged. If you have a rust free Zed and it hasn't had treatment to stop areas like this from degrading then it will rust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted March 23, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 23, 2015 Dales orange Zed was a rust free car supposedly. Two tiny little bubbles in the dog legs and turns out they were both shagged. If you have a rust free Zed and it hasn't had treatment to stop areas like this from degrading then it will rust. No no no my good sir you misunderstand these are not rust free S30z's, they are 240z's with free rust! It makes me wonder how many are really properly taken care of in terms of rust. For example here is my rear hatch that just tonight I separated the skin from the frame in the lower section. Now I don't know how long this hatch has been off the road, but imagine it was in use over the last 15 years and driven in the rain or.. it was sitting in a paddock for the last 20 years? There wouldn't be much left. It's actually not too bad considering, there is a few areas where it will require some welding up of pin-holes etc.. The bottom half was always going to be worse than the top part but as you can see there is light surface rust inside, other parts of the hatch are likely the same (inside). I'll probably get this hatch dipped before welding it all up and putting the new bottom section we fabricated up. If you don't do this though, there is a strong possiblity the rust will return and ruin your nice paint. My advice when buying a restored 240z/260z body wise it's good to know how long ago it was restored so you can gauge how well that restoration is holding up now. If it's been several years and it's still solid chances are it was done well, unless it was never driven and always hidden in a garage. If you're not sure how long you'll keep the car once it's complete then finding a good car to start with will make sense, if you plan to keep it for many years, perhaps forever. Do it right, do it properly and spend the money to get it correct first time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Camouflage Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 A fresh paint job can hide a multitude of sins. Buy the on with the rust you can see, at least you know what you are getting yourself into. Or, unless there is photographic evidence that the rust has been taken care of properly on the one with the nice paint job, expect it to be as rusty as the other one under the paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regan9415 Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Yea a rust bucket does seem the way to go. Scoots 2 seater seemed quite nice also but I am after a 4 seater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 So you are happy with the look of the bus or 2+2 which you can fit 5 adults and suit cases into it, but they won't be happy, things change then, you can buy them for at least half the price, here is an example of a rust bucket 2+2, you could pick something like this up for $1200.+, it is worth at least that because the front can be used to restore the 2 seaters, I have one sitting in my shed a little bit worse waiting to be cut up. As an example on resale between this and Scooters 2 seater with a paint job you wouldn't want to be seen in, if you spent 20K on both and done your engine change and a nice paint job, the resale on the 2+2 it would climb to about 10k- 14k with you doing all the work on the rust, if you paid someone like Scooter to fix it you would spend all your 20k on the rust and it would be worth about 5k as you have ran out of money to paint and engine change, where the 2 seater that Scooter is selling will climb from your purchase price of 10k it would go to 25k- 45k depending how good the paint job is. Nothing wrong with the 2+2, they still get up and go and handle fine I had one for years as a daily driver until the rust got it, but the lady was happy to not see it back on the road again, they are a lot heavier in the steering and gave her sore arms after driving a modern car with PS she said if I fixed it she will not be driving it again. http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Datsun-260Z-1975/SSE-AD-3275870?utm_campaign=Auto360&utm_medium=display&utm_source=Auto360&utm_content=banner&WT.seg_4=Auto360 Here is a nice one with some rust coming though after a nice paint job. This has a RB30 and wants 11k. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/blacktown/cars-vans-utes/260z-rb30-turbo/1072967438?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=LF-automotive&mpch=ads Here is another nice one that needs rust repairs, after the nice paint job, he wants 12k but says he has photos of work before paint. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/sydney-region/cars-vans-utes/datsun-260z-240z-registered-restored/1067587076 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theremm Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi This one looks to suit your needs http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php?topic=15779.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators gav240z Posted March 27, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi This one looks to suit your needs http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php?topic=15779.0 LOL I was about to say that also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patch Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Come on Gav, keep up with it, it wants a 4 seater. your link is a 2 seater remember they are different shapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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