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#21 260DET

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 10:16 AM

The entry process via QR's website is a touch confusing, i am hearing, especially for those who are not signed up with QR .
The other new one, is their additional $30 fee for entering on the day of the event.
It gets to be a bit pricey for the intersted first timers, bit of a turn off?


That $30 late entry fee has been around for ages Jason, you need to get out more. It's not a good idea to try for a late entry anyway because if they are full you roll up ready to go and then  :'(

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 10:55 AM

I am sorry ,but the ZCCQ can not make the entry procedure for ZCCQ club members or non club member any easier for the sprints. The decision for group entry is by invitation only and only one group. The Happylaps event is open to everyone and entry is by the ZCCQ web site . Which is in a earlier post .But with the dead line for happylaps entries only a few days out and this event with only a 1/3 full ,it will be cancelled. But to try and make more understandable to enter the sprints .Please read the following

Entry Procedure

Clicking on the Queensland Raceways web site address will take you to the sign in for entry forms. Type in your clubman licence number and pass word.
Don't have a pass word. Click on don't have a pass word and it will take you through licence application or new pass word app.
Then a new pass word will then be emailed to you. If you don't have a Queensland Raceways licence, then click on register here and follow the prompts for licence .
Then you click on calendar and go to sprints.
Go to 23 November and click entry.
If you're one of Paul's fifteen go to group entry, if not standard entry and as of  (01/09/2014) there are 45 places for standard entry. That may increase but that is at QR’s discretion.
Stand entries are as per normal and must be paid to Queensland Raceways


http://www.qldracewa...mbers/login.php



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Posted 11 November 2014 - 10:26 AM

The ZCCQ executive made the decision to cancel the HAPPYLAPS segment of this event  . This is due to lack of interest and cost to the club to run it under minimum numbers required .

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Posted 11 November 2014 - 10:55 AM

Good move Executive.
You will be getting quite a few turn up, based in interest from the spread on Social Media, about this day, and the ability to run their cars at the controlled Laps, as many are a bit daunted by doing outright sprinting.
When these Happy/Breakfast/Display etc type laps are put on and run by QR the,selves at Lakeside, they know, and fully expect, the majority, if not 100% to Pay and Play on the day.
That's just the way Happy Laps works.
The lads at QPDC, DSOA, DuD's and the Qld Datsun club, that this was promoted to, will be like "What the pharque,,,,?"

As a club, you keep cancelling these things based on purely monetary issues, as has been done a few times in the past, comes across to the outsiders, as pretty gutless to do things.

What is gonna get cancelled at the 2015 Dat Nats, or will you pull the pin on the whole event.
No forward promotion, has got many wondering,,,

Now watch, the OAP det260 jump in the high horsey horsey,,,,




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Posted 12 November 2014 - 06:02 PM

The ZCCQ executive made the decision to cancel the HAPPYLAPS segment of this event  . This is due to lack of interest and cost to the club to run it under minimum numbers required .

x.  Far out. This pisses me off. >:(

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 06:27 PM

I thought in a previous post you already had a full squad? Did everyone pull out?

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 07:02 PM

No Brad, they have their "by special invitation only" elite group of 13 Z's and 2 Mazda's.
The rest of us plebs get to run in mxed groups.

They got told by QR management to "sell" X no f spots for the Jolly Laps, but as usual, for these, the majority will enter on the morning!
It's a huge financial risk, to outlay around a 600 and hope that at $35 a car, they tried to get the entries in advance, which doesnt occur.
Shame, as the Jolly Laps had been heavily pushed and quite a few other organisations were also promoting those laps.
The "special" cars will still be running, along with some 50 or so others in the Sprints Groups.

Should still be a good day, as plenty other Dato's will coming for a look-see as to how the Z club does things,,,,,,

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 09:44 PM

The happy laps are part of the breakfast deal, for catering purposes QR need to have a minimum number booked in advance. It's too late to enter in the morning for pretty obvious reasons but why would anyone want to leave it to the last minute anyway.

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 10:05 PM

Wot breakfast?

The scheduled Happy's were to be run from 11.30 pm to 12.30pm.
Then Open Sprints from 12.30pm
Their morning session is listed as Private Practice.

Ah well, someone promotes something, people turn up to do it, as what usually happens at each and every QR run Happy Laps on the Cruise type days,
and gets told,
"nup sorry, we aint doin wot we said we would"

Looks good, hey.



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 08:24 AM

It's irrelevant who or what club is running an event, if they are going to lose money doing it then it's common sense not to proceed. With a club it would also be irresponsible when considering member's funds are involved. If you are so keen Jason then how about you run something irrespective of the monetary result, actually you could step up now and run a happy laps thing on the day  :)

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 09:50 AM

Called Risk vs Reward.
Spend a bit of money, maybe not break even, but, the short and long term effects, if utilised correctly, can be very rewarding.
It's called "Marketing and Promotion"

I have nothing to market or promote. So bit stupid of you to suggest i get involved.....

ZCCQ does, at leadt we think it does, unless they are cancelling the DatNats, due to lack of interest.

ZCCQ advertised it was going to do something, the newbies who are still going to turn up on Sunday 23rd, to give it a go,and saw it on various media pages,  have very little concept on this pre entry regime, they just want to turn up, see whats doing, and go for cruise laps.
About 20. In Datsuns. That have also heard that a big event is being run by some people next Easter,  for lots of Datsuns.

QR runs these Cruise/Happy laps at many of their track days, and get heaps of cars on-track, the vast majority of which, would never contemplate entering a Sprint. Unless they got the encouragement to.

Then again, 260det, we never see you at Happy/Cruise laps days, so your knowledge on the large untapped resource of other Datsun vehicle users, is, somewhat lacking.

Pretty piss poor effort from a club that is running lead up events to a Nationals event in 2015.
Or do they just want Z cars only,,,,, ( and tolerate the lesser Datsuns)

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 10:31 AM

Jason, your constant knocking of the Z Car Club and by inference it's members is tiresome and counter productive. It has been posted here several times that NDN15 over Easter at Warwick is proceeding, in addition to that you personally are aware of a lot of the relevant detail. There can be only one reason why you infer here that there is doubt and it's not a very nice one. All this negative rubbish is no good for you personally either, a 'I'm going to make the best of things' attitude would help you a lot. Cheers :)

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 11:04 AM

Richo, the 30th Weekend, next Saturday and Sunday, is shaping up to be a pretty good fore-runner, or tease, and to utilise the ability to promote to, and garner interest from, a large group of "newbies" has to be seen as fairly important.
To then cancel a segment, that was aimed fair square at potential entrants, ( not us tried and tested old regular hacks), is not great " business" practice.
All because of low numbers of pre event interest.
You dont get it. These guys literally turn up, throw their $35 down, on the morning of the day.
Will it be prifitable, who gives a razoo, the "profit" comes from how you manage and collect the information, of these guys. Dont do that, you've kissed the opportunity goodbye.

You are supporting the club?, by running your Nissan SUV?

There'll be one group of 13 Z's, four other groups of all mixed manner of various old and new, some Z's and other Datsuns, running, in the arvo. Should be the usual fun.

As far as relevant info, being a CAMS Admin/official/elegibilty etc involvement, it's a pretty small circle of officials in Qld, that get to know what's going on, turned out an amount of suggestion/advice was offered, and then ignored, there are a few that are kind of like, " mmmm okay,, we'll do it that way, if that's what they want"
You were not there in '09' some of these guys were on the periphery, why re-invent a wheel?



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:47 PM

ZCCQ could do to be a bit more progressive with their marketing however I am not privy to their risk posture with regard to member funds and making a loss.

By the same token, forum users and ZCCQ members all have one thing in common - we all like old dattos! And in light of that everyone would be a little better off if we could dispense with the trolling and politics and work together to cross-promote without publicly bagging each other.

I don't know about the history of this back and forward bickering but I know all involved would prefer the day was successful than not.

NOW BEHAVE  ;)

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:04 PM

I do not get involved in this petty points scoring that goes on in forums. As far as events organised by the Z Car Club of Q, there is a very small group of people, I will repeat that "a very small group of people" who give up their time (and at times this can be extensive) to put in the huge amount of effort required to "try" and organise social and motor sport events that will be attractive to the club's membership. But at times the interest isn't there, despite the best intentions of those trying to put together such events that will be attended by club members.

Therefore if you really want to know the truth about what the Z Car Club is doing with regards to events please give me a call (mobile 0435871060) and I will tell you the truth.

Also the AGM is scheduled for the end of this month so come along, join the club and nominate for one of the Committee Positions, I for one would be more then happy to have someone else take on the role of Vice President.

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 02:19 PM

Brave statement Peter and a phone number as well . You may be getting a number of calls next month and for a few more to come in the following months.
But on a personal note this will be my last outing with the ZCCQ for a least a number of years . So after 30 years and being a founder of the club it will be hard to walk away .You tend to look at the Club as personal property. Don't like people messing with it.
But the truth is I just cannot afford it any more.
So here's hoping for a fine day and taking the car home the same way I drove it out .
I will ask QR if we can do a few laps at lunch with out the food portion of the program. But I would not hold you're breath waiting for a yes from them. 

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 02:27 PM

ZCCQ could do to be a bit more progressive with their marketing however I am not privy to their risk posture with regard to member funds and making a loss.

By the same token, forum users and ZCCQ members all have one thing in common - we all like old dattos! And in light of that everyone would be a little better off if we could dispense with the trolling and politics and work together to cross-promote without publicly bagging each other.

I don't know about the history of this back and forward bickering but I know all involved would prefer the day was successful than not.

NOW BEHAVE  ;)

Well agree!
Maybe I should'nt have bothered to spread the word about the Happy Laps component, and the pister, for this day, to the many other Datsun related forums/social media outlets.
The Happy Laps component was recoeved quite favourably.
That's the crux of the day, as far as these guys were concerned.
They do not want to do Sprints, and that is understandable, when you know who and what you are helping promote to.
Ultimately, it would be very beneficial to those guys, first and foremost, and then secondly, to ZCCQ, for them to experience a big Nationals, next Easter.

The great majority are simply not Car Club Membership card waving types, and this is something that the clubbie types dont "get".
They dont want to join up, they want the "looseness" that the whole social media scene seems to be.
Its the new way. The numbers out there are from 300 to 800 Dato ( various) loving enthusiasts.
Would you rather encourage to participate, even in something minor, or alienate them.

I see too many blinkered straight down the line club card waving types, that are blind to this.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 05:09 PM

It's wrong to think there is a points scoring competition going on, different people have different ways of expressing themselves and particularly on forums, where the only communication is written, such expression can be very easily misunderstood or taken the wrong way. This is a two way street, it can be the reader who gets it all wrong not the poster.

Aubrey has presidential experience as have I and we have all experienced the problems mentioned above but as always it comes down to who is available to do what. It's not like running a business where employees can be directed to do something and in a particular way, it's voluntary which means you basically try to influence outcomes but in effect the volunteer has the final say. And volunteers naturally want to be involved in things that they are interested in. And why not, without them nothing would get done.

So that is one reason why certain activities and interests receive more attention than others, it should be obvious that it is not a lack of awareness or desire by the president or anyone else, it's just the way it is with volunteers vis a vis paid employees.

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 05:34 PM

Well I tried . But QR would not allow track time without food as part of the program. So we are all forced to eat from the kiosk. Could be time to order pizza.
So the day run on Saturday and if you want in on that the contact details are earlier in this thread.
The display is Sunday morning from 9.00am at Lakeside Park on the infield. No cost to be part of this and I have no idea  who may show up.
The sprints have a past TARGA TAS winner, straight 6 ford powered Z ,RB26 powered Z ,a hand full running triples or all types ,370's and some Mazda RX7's that want to show up the early Z's. Makings of a good day . If you want first hand info on the NDN15. People will be on hand to talk about it 

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 06:09 PM

So,
Between 11.30 and 12.30, for the people turning up, that have seen this day's activities, mentioned on the social media pages, do they get to do Cruise Laps around the track, under Pace Car?

ZCCQ offered this. Most cbf'd about a snag wrapped in bread with marty sauce.
Some of the "display" along with general public in attendance, may like to participate.

Be worth a call to Neil Lewis, to ask, the carrot to dangle is one of $$$ income to QRO, for their very little effort,
( muster cars on dummy grid, send 'em out behind the Medic/official car)

It's a bit sucky they ,ake the zccq do the "upsell" for 2/5ths of sfa reward to club,,,,
Tell 'em that, others have, you wont be the last.





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