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#21 d3c0y

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 08:34 AM

Here's a challenge to see how much of a Z spotter you are; which country are the cars on the production line destine for?
You can work it out based on two things in the photo  ;)

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:10 AM

America? Rear marker/ side lights and left hand drive?

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:24 AM

Based on the gas tank flap (that lip part) and rear 1/4 indicator cut out, I think it's cars for the North American market. However it could also be for some European markets.

What is interesting is there is no rear vents in the hatch, but the sugar scoops look fiberglass - which leads me to believe it's around late 70 - 71 production year.

Edit - Karljsw beat me to post.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:01 AM

one of many from my archives

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:08 AM

ballarat 1971, look in the foreground.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:15 AM

Whilst on old pics,,,

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 12:24 PM

America? Rear marker/ side lights and left hand drive?



How can you tell its LHD?


But yes you win based on rear markers and what Gav said about the fuel door cover.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 12:58 PM

the steering wheel  :)

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:08 PM

Here's an old one of Broadway near Sydney's Central Station:

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:19 PM

Early Girl AU Delivered 240z.
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Note: Vents on rear hatch, the fender mirrors and 240z side emblem/badges on the 1/4 panels.

Sadly I don't know where the photo was taken or what year for that matter, it was a photo Lindsay Drife shared with me over email when we discussed some of the early 240z's (HS30 00150) etc..

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I did get this also, however no chassis ID, only engine #. I was told The Motor Registration Branch MRB never recorded chassis numbers, just engine numbers until the late 80's when they became Vicroads. Sound familiar? It might to those who have been following this thread:
http://www.viczcar.c...p?topic=14462.0

The car might be long dead by now, I was told the last time that car was seen was at DatZed - 715 Dandenong Road Cnr of Raleigh St. Malvern in 1983. It was traded in for a new 260Z 2+2 in 1977.

W.Z Zcar register has no record of that engine number: L24-013045

Would be nice to know if it has survived all these years though...

Postcode looks like Balaclava / East St.Kilda - I actually can't believe how many Zeds were in those postcode areas. I guess with Zshop nearby that might have something to do with it.





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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:24 PM

By the way does anyone know who ran DatZed - 715 Dandenong Road Cnr of Raleigh St. Malvern in 1983 ? The whole area appears to have changed since then and I can't find any record of what the workshop was or who ran it.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:35 PM

I knew of DatZed when they were in Moorabbin  &  Frank Guilfoyle was the owner

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:11 PM

few more from the factory

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 07:45 PM

Nice Dale, those photos are awesome.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 08:13 PM

+1, Nice Dale

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 09:22 PM

My point being that the use of the term "matching numbers" in relation to a Japanese market S30-series Z is essentially meaningless. The car may well have its original engine (and if the original paperwork with the car backs that up, then all well and good), but what numbers "match"? There's no engine number on the tag. That's the point.

The "matching number" American cars I'm referring to are not Japanese cars...


"Matching numbers" in Australia, simply means the car has the original engine it left the factory with (as evidenced by paperwork or ID tags i.e. the stamped engine number, is the same as the engine number on the id tag, or sales documentation).  The American definition of the term (where the cars engine and body both had the same number) is not what we mean down under. Hence, the Australian definition of the term can be applied to most cars regardless of where they were built.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:24 AM

"Matching numbers" in Australia, simply means the car has the original engine it left the factory with (as evidenced by paperwork or ID tags i.e. the stamped engine number, is the same as the engine number on the id tag, or sales documentation).  The American definition of the term (where the cars engine and body both had the same number) is not what we mean down under. Hence, the Australian definition of the term can be applied to most cars regardless of where they were built.


I take your point Mr C. but my point is that - in the case of the car we are talking about - Nissan never stamped the engine number on anything except the block itself. Describing such a car as having "matching numbers" when the only place where the numbers match is on pieces of paper seems slightly arch at the very least. All the more so when there were indeed some S30-series Z cars that did have the original engine number stamped on a plate that was attached to the body.

In my view - and this is generally the case in Japan, where most of the 432s and 432-Rs are - the best way is simply to say "original engine". And even then we are usually only talking about the block casting itself. I know the vast majority of Japanese market S30-series Z owners in Japan wouldn't use such a term in reference to such a car. They'd actually be more likely to be discussing whether it still has its original K3 cylinder head or not, and whether its got all the other correct factory parts attached to it... 

How about a case where such a car might very well still have its original engine block, but doesn't have the paperwork to back it up? A good example might be my KPGC10: I don't have any of the original sales paperwork for the car - most such cars have lost them along the way - but it's very likely that it has still got its original engine block. Is it a "matching numbers" car? Obviously not. But - in my view - that's the 'wrong' expression anyway...

I know I'm probably labouring the point, but it just sounds wrong to me. Like 'Series 1' and 'Series 2' and all that stuff when applied to non-North American market cars. Sorry.         

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 07:40 AM


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:36 AM

Rust race between the zed and the Fiat X1/9!

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 09:39 AM

Hi Lurch,
            Thanks for showing a picture of you next project. ;D
Even with your talents you may have to let this one go, unless you have a spare 25 years.
David




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