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#21 d3c0y

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:42 PM

Well there you go, i have to concede on all points!

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:36 PM

Lynton thanks for posting those images, in particular the Green 240z. I recall seeing that same sales brochure at Len Brennan's place about 6 or so years ago and he was talking about how exciting it was to buy a 240z back then, he said there was nothing like it for that price range. I recall seeing that Green 240z and thinking wow look how original it is, not many like that anymore.

Also wanted to post to say the topics have been split. So you may carry on discussing early car features and differences to later imported vehicles.

+1 to grey colour grille, my 73 (a very original car) had a grey grille.

Keep in mind those photos of HS30-0004 were taken back in the 90s when digital cameras were pretty poor and or you scanned photos onto your computer. I think 1 of them is in .gif format, which is not an ideal format for an image (it would suit a wiring diagram perfectly) but not something with complex colours like a photograph, much better to use .jpg that's why it looks so choppy and the colour range is all wrong.

FYI: HS30-0004 was actually 905 red! I managed to confirm this.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:19 AM

Hi everyone,

With the exorbitant price of JDM 'bullet style' fender mirrors these days. >$1000 USD. (btw: I know you can get them cheaper than this..)
http://www.ebay.com....s-/191146356381

I thought about what mirrors I want to mount on HS30 000150 - given that the car would have had the early style fender mirrors for an AU market car. It's currently got a Ford Falcon style mirror mounted on the drivers door.
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Reference image is Lurch's early girl HS30 00149

So these showed up on eBay recently, the price is right but I'm not convinced they are exactly the same as the AU market car mirrors. (it does say remanufactured).
http://www.ebay.com....H-/261461637595

Reference photos of AU market mirrors can be found here:
http://www.viczcar.c....html#msg150117
http://www.viczcar.c...ic,13650.0.html
http://www.viczcar.c....html#msg138088

The ones on eBay look just a bit more rounded, where as the AU market car mirrors look to be identical to the later 240z style door mirror in terms of the mirror part of the assembly, but the stalk was obviously different.

At the current price of the ones on eBay I'm almost willing to take a punt on them and see how they look. I can always change to the JDM bullet style mirrors later - once the car is on the road and most of the restoration expenses have been dealt with, so this might be a good temporary mirror and give that original factory fresh look.

Does anyone have an original set or closer pictures of the originals for reference / comparison sake?


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:11 AM

Ok so it looks like these mirrors may have also been used on the Datsun 510's of the same vintage.
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Photo is from eBay seller tokyo-2u

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:31 PM

I bought a pair a couple of days ago so I will report back when they arrive!

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:41 PM

Awesome, yeah just noticed they are advertised for other Japanese models also like Toyota Crown etc.. so I'd be interested to see how they look on a Z.

It seems like a great price to be honest, not sure how they can make them so cheap but it has got me wondering what the quality is like. So looking forward to your feedback.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:55 PM

i like the stalk but I dont really like the shape of the mirror, I am surprised that there isn't a replica for long stalk cone style mirrors on the market they look more suited to sporty cars (aero cone shape and all)
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:52 PM

So for what period in Australia were these mirrors used? They don't look anything like the mirrors on NZ-new cars that I'm used to; were they a common Datsun dealer-installed pattern item?

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:08 PM

So for what period in Australia were these mirrors used? They don't look anything like the mirrors on NZ-new cars that I'm used to; were they a common Datsun dealer-installed pattern item?

The NZ market was kind of special :) we got the JDM fender mirrors and the Urethane front spoiled fitted (some call it the UK front spoiler as that is how most relate to it) and also the rear spoiler was also common on the NZ new cars. NZ cars were "General RHD Export" which is not Australian Spec or Europe Spec it was basically for the others RHD markets ie Asia and Oceania. It was a mix of Europe Spec, UK and AU spec with a bit of JDM through into the mix also.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:38 PM

Hi Mike!
Well that explains why the under-bumper front center panel on my NZ-new S30 has captive nuts along the rear edge, which the Aus-spec cars don't - I went to replace it with a tidy panel I found over here but changed my mind & on-sold it when I discovered it wasn't the same. Unfortunately a UK-style lip wasn't on my car when I bought it as I rather like them; maybe I will find a new replacement someday as the BRE-style lip I have - cool as they are - is too prone to damage.
Do you know what the specs for the chrome fender mirrors for my '74 S30 would be? Again they were missing on mine, & although I've kept an eye out I've never found any replacements. They remind me of those on friends' 160J-SSS & 180B-SSS of the day, but I don't know how many variations of Datsun mirrors there were. Given the volume of cars, lots probably.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:42 AM

John,

I have a set of the NZ new 260z fender mirrors off my 73/74 NZ new 260z (manufactured 73 and shipped to NZ in 73 as it was sold in very very early Jan 74 much like your car if I recall - we had a number of early 260z 2 seaters here in NZ, a guy Tim around the corner from me has RS30-000013 and RS30-000014, I have RS30-000119 all are green) and my 76 manufacture (ex Palmer car if you recall) had its original mirrors damaged in a bay park rollover - these were replaced with electric bluebird items which were almost identical but electric with just a minor shape difference. The 260z fender mirrors are like golf club woods in shape aka XA/XB/XC falcon type shape but fender mirrors not door mirrors.

I have a factory urethane front clip too but not the original panels like your car has/had (both my 260z have had accidents in the front over there 40 (or almost 40) years of service so the front panels have been replaced) I have only ever seen these panels on NZ/UK new cars not the JDM, AU, USA imports.

And if guys think the 240z fender mirrors in the original black are $$$ they should try and find 260z fender mirrors they are even rarer find and therefore usually more $$

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 06:32 PM

Cheers Mike, that explains a lot.
Yes they are more like the Falcon, not like the 240 at all.
I've also seen those electric Bluebird mirrors, thought they were very close in shape. My mother had a new '76 120Y hatchback which again had similar mirrors, but in grey paint not chrome.
My front centre panel has had a very hard life but come restoration time I will get it professionally repaired seeing as it's the correct part.
My RS30 is 000115, sold new Dunedin Feb '74 IIRC. The tidy dashboard is out of 000130, replaced my original which was badly split, this before re-skinning services came available. 000130 was identical to mine in the reddy orange, in a Penrose wrecking yard after a nasty altercation with something. There was also another smashed one, again same colour, in a Gt Sth Rd yard from which I gained the Z front fixed seatbelts as mine were aftermarket, but I didn't think to get it's VIN#. So we know those two RS30's are long gone!

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:44 AM

Ok I have the eBay mirrors, they aren't as square as I thought they would be and they look slightly longer than the ones mounted on that 1600.

I'm happy to take photos for anyone that might like to see something a bit more specific

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:48 AM

Could you offer it up to the car in position to get an idea of how they might look when fitted?

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 02:00 PM

These look similar to the reference shots:
http://www.ebay.com....8090a0c7&_uhb=1

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:31 AM

Could you offer it up to the car in position to get an idea of how they might look when fitted?


My car doesn't have provisions for fender mirrors but I'll give it a go

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 02:08 PM

HS30-00084 came with the flat chrome mirrors on the fenders. This car was built in Sep 1970 and was sold in Qld late December.
You can see pics of this car at  http://www.classiczc...30-00084-a.html

I have since bought a pair of the original black JDM bullet style mirrors with the longer stalk and plan to restore these and put them on the car.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 02:20 PM

HS30-00084 came with the flat chrome mirrors on the fenders. This car was built in Sep 1970 and was sold in Qld late December.
You can see pics of this car at  http://www.classiczc...30-00084-a.html

I have since bought a pair of the original flat black JDM bullet style mirrors with the longer stalk and plan to restore these and put them on the car.


Wow 00084 is in really good original condition. Thanks for sharing the photos.

I found these Fender Mirrors on Yahoo! Auctions listed as being for a Prince Skyline. Do they look the same as the mirrors on your early 240z?

http://www.buyee.jp/...tion/g133805118
http://www.buyee.jp/...tion/k172851260

The second link appears to be similar, but I'm not sure if the base is the same?

To me it makes sense that Nissan would use the same mirrors on more than 1 vehicle and not create a unique set of fender mirrors for the AU market only.

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 04:34 PM

The mirrors in the first link look similar, though really hard to say with that weird setup and angle. I am struggling to see the stalk angle from the base and the angular form. The second link has mirrors that do not belong on a 240z.
PM your email and I will send you pictures of the original mirrors. I have no idea how to embed them in this forum. :-[

Over the years, I have  been preserving this car as a 'surviving' example of an early 240z. I am not restoring it but simply maintaining it to a very original standard. I was fortunate to buy it off the original owner who amazingly did nothing to it at all. Including  plastic protection on the inner panels from the factory, original 2 sets of keys and nissan key case, D hubcaps etc - all the stuff you just don't get. Needless to say, I bought the car on the spot.

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 03:18 PM

When i owned #160 it had the brackets under the front guards that had been filled over but you cold still feel the bracket under the fender.




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