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#61 Riceburner

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 12:42 PM

so much want!

Where did you find them, are they reproductions or NOS, do they flex much?

Can you measure the base width from belt hole to belt hole (where your hips would be).

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 02:51 PM

so much want!

Where did you find them, are they reproductions or NOS, do they flex much?

Can you measure the base width from belt hole to belt hole (where your hips would be).

 

I got these on Yahoo! Auctions many months ago, they were NOT cheap (hate to think what the real deal is worth mind you!). But for a while I've been considering turning the 72 into a Works Rally Car tribute and I couldn't help myself and bought them. From talking with Alan Thomas, he seems to think they were a Rose Auto made reproduction. I must say for a reproduction piece they are really well made. I believe Alan also took a mould of these seats and made some many years ago.

 

Ashley at Moorabbin Autospares wanted to mould a set for his 240ZR replica, I said I'd think about it. I would rather not have too many of these seats floating about if you know what I mean? Kind of diminishes how special they are.

 

I think the harder part would be the material / cloth and sourcing that, I would love a set of the blue coloured ones, along with the darker ones found in Kevin Bristow's works rally car. (see photos attached).

 

I can take some measurements when I get a chance. They feel slightly wider than the 87000-U0175 Datsun bucket seats or Kameari copies I sat in in Mark (Mossy's) car.

 

I haven't noticed any flex in them yet, seem pretty solid.

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 04:31 PM

There is a slight hump in the middle between your legs which is moulded into the seat bucket) but not obvious in the photos.

 

Gee Gav they are very nice. I too have a slight hump between my legs now...............

 

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 06:27 PM

Gee Gav they are very nice. I too have a slight hump between my legs now...............

 

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 11:54 AM

The 280ZX gearbox in Evie is getting a bit sad, so as Gav also has a 260Z CR box, I'm going to rebuild the 260Z box using the 280ZX box as a donor: by converting the 260Z box to brass syncros.

Stay tuned :)
 
260Z gearbox before I pulled it apart:
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 01:35 PM

Thanks matey!

So it was a CR box? Sulio gave it to me for free 😁. It did come out of a 74 260z 2 seater.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:55 PM

Following with interest Lachy.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:49 PM

Thanks matey!

So it was a CR box? Sulio gave it to me for free . It did come out of a 74 260z 2 seater.

 

 

Indeed it is ;)

 

Following with interest Lachy.

 

Will do Mick.
Sad thing is, I'm only keeping 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears & the counter-shaft from the 260Z box - the rest isn't used.

Everything else will be 280ZX... 


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:12 AM

Will do Mick.
Sad thing is, I'm only keeping 1st, 2nd & 3rd gears & the counter-shaft from the 260Z box - the rest isn't used.
Everything else will be 280ZX...


Suits me perfect 👍
But how's Gav going to cope with unoriginality? 😋

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:23 AM

But how's Gav going to cope with unoriginality? 😋

Have a look ĂĄt Gav's thread signature - Maybe his originality focus will be directed towards one of his TWO early girls.

"1970 Datsun 240Z (HS30 000XX) - Bingo
1970 Datsun 240Z (HS30 00150) - Safari Gold (920)"

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:43 PM

Does that a mean he also has a sub 100 car, I thought it was 'greyed' out cause it was sold or moved on?



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Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:20 PM

Suits me perfect
But how's Gav going to cope with unoriginality?

 

So it turns out my gearbox in the car was a 240K box (no reverse gear lock out) and somewhat to my surprise the car would have originally had a 71A gearbox fitted. I recall when I collected the original engine block from Tony he had an early gearbox also. I can't recall for sure but I think he asked if I wanted the 71A box and original tail shaft. I declined at the time... He said it was the original gearbox which I thought odd since I assumed it would have had the 71B from factory since it also had the later console.

 

This car is an early 72 model however and therefore it's likely Tony was correct and it did have a 71 box.

 

As a result, we're looking to use a 71C box (240z bell housing) with the 260z close ratio gear set and this way the gear stick will come out in the correct place.

 

It won't be 100% original, but I don't have a spare 71A gearbox and finding 1 is going to be hard work.



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Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:29 PM

Have a look ĂĄt Gav's thread signature - Maybe his originality focus will be directed towards one of his TWO early girls.

"1970 Datsun 240Z (HS30 000XX) - Bingo
1970 Datsun 240Z (HS30 00150) - Safari Gold (920)"

 

Does that a mean he also has a sub 100 car, I thought it was 'greyed' out cause it was sold or moved on?

 

I guess cat is out of the bag now? I was wondering how long it would take folks to notice the change in signature. I had someone else ask about it a month or 2 ago and I have been meaning to start another thread.

 

But the short answer for now is that, yes I have a sub 100 car, numbers matching engine block with 2400 OHC valve cover and 71A gear bag etc.. It's 907 Green which is 1 of my favorite colours on the early cars. Nothing much has happened since I bought it, other than it's moved from NSW down to Victoria.

 

And yes I'm nuts for taking on another project.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 09:23 PM

Hi Gav

Congrats on finding a sub 100 matching numbers car - a very rare find indeed.
No wonder you need that warehouse ;D
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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:27 AM

There's nothing like a fresh gearbox its makes the car a lot nicer to drive especially if it's close ratio too.

Where do you find the room and time? Lol.

Look foward seeing more info on the green car, it's a great color for zeds.

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Posted 07 March 2017 - 08:55 AM

Yes every time I took out the red 72 the gearbox was horrible. It wasn't crunching or anything but just felt notchy going into gear. I suspect worn synchro rings. Looking forward to a close ratio box also, another future upgrade will have to be an R180 LSD diff. Maybe 4.11 ratio?

 

As for the room? I haven't got any, I'm actually paying to store the green car. I've been trying to find a place to buy in Melbourne (since Sydney is another level of crazy) but so far haven't managed to find anything suitable or reasonably priced.

 

As for having time? Well I don't have kids yet, which helps but that's why I'm outsourcing work on this car. I just don't have enough time when I'm in Melbourne to do half the things I want to on it. So I'm paying to get some things done.

 

The Green car is not going to be something that gets done quickly. I don't care if it takes me 20 years (hopefully not). The important thing is I have the car and will slowly ebb away at it over many years if I have to and my budget only permits that. I have already budgeted having the body work done by someone else and put the money aside for that.



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Posted 07 March 2017 - 10:23 AM

Datsun r180 4.11 is quite rare. Same with Datsun motorsport r180 4.375 (4.4).


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Posted 11 March 2017 - 05:47 PM

Disassembling the original seats I found this date stamp today.

46-12-22

46=1971 and the rest is self explanatory. So the car was made right at the end of 1971 more than likely.

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 05:53 PM

So, with this Zed having the eariler floor-pan (vertical fastening gearbox cross-member & more rearward shifter hole),
there was a discussion to be made: Convert it back to 71A (eww) or use a 71C long box as a donor.

With the 71C being the better choice, I procured an R31 Pintara gearbox off Les Collins which will bring the shifter out in the correct spot in the tunnel.
It's also a 'narrow gear' 71C gearbox with brass syncros, which means I can install the 260Z gear ratios into it - which are closer together.

I pulled the Pintara box apart over the long weekend, which also involved cutting the gears & pressing the dog rings off.
All the parts were washed, the dog rings pressed onto the 260Z gears & I started reassembly.
 
Alum. Sandwich plate - washed & new bearings installed.
 
260Z gears - 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th reassembled onto the Pintara mainshaft with the 260Z countershaft cluster above it:
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All the parts out of the Pintara box were in very good condition. I 'could' have changed the syncro rings on 2nd & 3rd as they were getting close to 
 to bottom tolerance, but for the amount of work this gearbox is going to do, I decided to leave them.
New ones are a few weeks ex japan anyway...
 
Installing the mainshaft & cluster into the sandwich plate:
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A problem I encountered: The rear countershaft spacer from the Pintara box has a bigger ID than the 260Z countershaft tail - it would float around on the shaft like a dick in a shirt sleeve,
so as I needed the required thinkness to be retained to correctly space the Rev & 5th gears on the C/S, I grabbed some 4140 bar stock & jumped on the lathe & make a suitable spacer with the correct length & correct ID.

L to R
The Pintara spacer, the new one, thin 260Z spacer.
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And finally the core assembled:

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Now I'm just waiting on a small hardend washer to arrive for the front of the C/S, then I can install the core into the Hydra-Jet blasted cases.
TBC...
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:15 PM

Some great work there mate, Gav should be happy.




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